Silent Sam Toppled by Protestors
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It would be tricky, no doubt. You don't want anyone injured or killed. That would be worse.
It's on campus, so maybe the campus cops were there? I dunno the exact jurisdiction.
It doesn't matter now. It's been destroyed and it's gone and no one was hurt. I still believe it was a poor choice, but my opinion is just that.
Maybe they can put a plaque somewhere with a depiction of the statue or something.
Does anyone actually know how SS was mounted up there? There's no way it wasn't bolted down somewhere, or a bad storm would have turned him into a missile. I would've imagined it being some pretty heavy hardware, with security bolts.
ETA: Just read a story about it... Supposedly they just tore it down with ropes? In ten seconds? No fukkin chance.
ETA: Just read a story about it... Supposedly they just tore it down with ropes? In ten seconds? No fukkin chance.
The pedestal is still there. I never climbed up to see how the statue was attached.
https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article217092290.html
It was mounted up there by slaves and held down by their blood.
I'm noticing the word "So" is becoming every other word out of people's mouths if you're between 14 and 30 years old.
from the videos on the N&O link.
The students were talking to the camera: "So, like I'm from Washington DC and, so, there aren't any monuments to like the Confederacy there. So, I was all for this coming down." paraphrased.
"So" prefaces every statement it seems like.
I wasn't aware that people were this obsessed with it until I watched more videos. And, the more I watched, I did see black students in the footage. Blacks and whites were both involved. They even have these bandannas and banners made up with "Sam Must Fall."
https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article217061720.html
https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article217061720.html
The statue is what I'm concerned about. That's a giant piece of metal. You can't just leave that sitting way up in the air without it being properly mounted to the pedestal or it could fall on someone. In the image below I can only see one hole where a (huge) bolt presumably would have been. And you can see the two parts that would have sat in some kind of cavity in the pedestal. But there also should have been at least 4 other mounting points to distribute the force and prevent the statue from rotating or tilting. That/those bolt(s) were either removed in advance, or these students managed to generate several thousand, if not tens of thousands of pounds of force and just snapped them/it.
Do we have any engineers that can help me out here?
It's not going to fall or turn or hit anyone now. It's gone.The statue is what I'm concerned about. That's a giant piece of metal. You can't just leave that sitting way up in the air without it being properly mounted to the pedestal or it could fall on someone. In the image below I can only see one hole where a (huge) bolt presumably would have been. And you can see the two parts that would have sat in some kind of cavity in the pedestal. But there also should have been at least 4 other mounting points to distribute the force and prevent the statue from rotating or tilting. That/those bolt(s) were either removed in advance, or these students managed to generate several thousand, if not tens of thousands of pounds of force and just snapped them/it.
Do we have any engineers that can help me out here?
It will be interesting to see how far this goes. Will it just be Civil War/Confederate images, icons and memorials? Or... will they go further back. Will they want John C Calhoun's house bulldozed over here?
I wonder if they will change the name of Tillman Hall.
We got a bunch of lawless thugs operating on campus and a lot
Of people calling themselves
Southerners are cow
Tie and hiding . This
Shit is
Totally wrong .
Imagine if someone jerked down
A aMLK statue .
Silent Sam
Never owned a slave and
WaS only a honor To poor
Ass
Southerner against a deep state infringing on their Dailey
Right of life.
TARHEEL was originated from the grit of nc confederate soldiers to stat put fighting like they had tar on theri feet stuck in
Place . I’m about to
Turn off
My Carolina alliegence
Of people calling themselves
Southerners are cow
Tie and hiding . This
Shit is
Totally wrong .
Imagine if someone jerked down
A aMLK statue .
Silent Sam
Never owned a slave and
WaS only a honor To poor
Ass
Southerner against a deep state infringing on their Dailey
Right of life.
TARHEEL was originated from the grit of nc confederate soldiers to stat put fighting like they had tar on theri feet stuck in
Place . I’m about to
Turn off
My Carolina alliegence
They've been trying to change the name of Tillman. They even had a "sit-in" that a grand total of zero people actually cared about.
Clemson is not a liberal haven yet like Chapel Hill is.
All soldiers (particularly volunteers) should be honored for fighting and dying in battle, regardless of cause. That is part of the deal that society makes with young men who go off and fight for their people.
I think it's shameful that people are dishonoring these men and their sacrifice.
It's also ridiculous to apply 21st century morality to the 1800s. Will all soldiers and all wars be subject to post-hoc ethical analysis? Are we renaming Polk Place next? Carrboro? Are Vietnam memorials safe?
The fact that this is coming from the left is deeply ironic as well. The left who constantly clamours for all misdeeds to be put into context. Sure, Marcus robbed that bank, but he grew up poor and had no opportunities! Confederate soldiers lived and breathed their way of life from the moment they were born to the moment they died. The volunteered, fought bravely, and in some cases died for what they believed in. I will not spit on their sacrifice.
I think it's shameful that people are dishonoring these men and their sacrifice.
It's also ridiculous to apply 21st century morality to the 1800s. Will all soldiers and all wars be subject to post-hoc ethical analysis? Are we renaming Polk Place next? Carrboro? Are Vietnam memorials safe?
The fact that this is coming from the left is deeply ironic as well. The left who constantly clamours for all misdeeds to be put into context. Sure, Marcus robbed that bank, but he grew up poor and had no opportunities! Confederate soldiers lived and breathed their way of life from the moment they were born to the moment they died. The volunteered, fought bravely, and in some cases died for what they believed in. I will not spit on their sacrifice.
It was a bunch of folks from Durham. Don't be surprised if you see an ANTIFA chapter start to come together in Durham.
Mods best lock this up or delete before too long. This topic is not basketball board material, IMO.
https://northcarolina.forums.rivals.com/threads/silent-sam-toppled-by-protestors.64081/
Seriously...
https://northcarolina.forums.rivals.com/threads/silent-sam-toppled-by-protestors.64081/
THR is absolutely not able to handle this conversation in even a remotely mature manner.
Fair enough. I'm not sure the argument is that counter-protesters are to blame so much as simply pointing out that their presence -- and let's be frank, their confrontation -- is what causes escalations of violence. Otherwise the protesters are just yelling at clouds.
Okay, thanks for explaining this. A quick lookup of the definition of assault says this: "An assault is carried out by a threat of bodily harm coupled with an apparent, present ability to cause the harm." Absent a protester singling out a specific individual, shouts of "go back to your country" etc. would likely be covered under the first amendment. But I can understand why living in a community with someone who endorses that sentiment would create an uneasy existence for certain people. I witnessed an incident in Charlotte last year that I never would've thought possible in the 21st century.
Look, we both know it'll never happen because of human nature and all that. But stop for a minute to imagine what would happen if white supremacists held a protest and nobody showed up to counter-protest. If I'm looking at a ledger with pros and cons, perhaps the only pro I see is that it sends a message that hate is unwelcome in the community. On the other hand, the cons are numerous: it increases the likelihood of violence; it legitimizes the protest; it emboldens the protesters and their supporters; and it might even mobilize otherwise disinterested voters who disagree with the counter-protesters' tactics (see: Silent Sam). Protesters show up to these rallies with a giant chip on their shoulders, hoping somebody knocks it off. It would be nice to stop obliging them. JMO.
Man...regionalism is funny.
Up here (libs and conservatives, all races) are all pretty unanimous that the statue needed to go. You guys down there think it's a travesty.
Both sides have points, but man, it's like night and day.
Up here (libs and conservatives, all races) are all pretty unanimous that the statue needed to go. You guys down there think it's a travesty.
Both sides have points, but man, it's like night and day.
I think the disagreement is less THAT it happened and more HOW it happened.
I guess down there that's the case.
We still have an idiotic statue in NYC of a guy who never stepped foot on American soil and still thought he was in India when he died so what do I know.
So you’d be cool with commissioning memorials across the US to fallen British, French, Nazis, N Koreans, Vietnamese, Japanese, Iraqis, Afghans, etc?
If they were American soldiers, then sure, why not?
That's not really a good comparison. What they were fighting for was wrong, but they were still American citizens. To my knowledge those guys you listed aren't Americans, so their statues would be on foreign soil.
Confederate soldiers rebelled against the United States. I prefer Americans who don’t engage in treasonous activity. But that’s just me.
Washington built this country. Everything we have, EVERYTHING ALL OF US HAVE, is because of Washington.
Relax with these awful comparisons.
I'm not saying I prefer them. I clearly said what they were fighting for was wrong. I'm simply pointing out that your comparison is sloppy at best.
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