Silent Sam Toppled by Protestors

[What Would Jesus Do?]

It's not over, though.

As I stated earlier in the thread; This will help the conservative legislature in the state. If you're trying to shift the majority to a Democratic/Liberal side, then this was a bad idea. The GOP will use this to get more votes. People who disrespect the rule of law, take into their own hands, mobs destroying monuments and property... that won't appeal to constituents, I don't think. In Chapel Hill, it will be fine.

Never a bad time to oppose the symbols of racism.

Arguably obligatory to oppose them when the state is defending them. As is the case here.

Did North Carolina learn nothing from the Civil War? Don't defend, support, praise, cover-for, excuse or distort in defense of slavery, Jim Crow, or any aspect of racism - especially institutionalized racism.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

"...white supremacist industrialist Julian Carr speaking at the 1913 unveiling of the Silent Sam statue on the UNC campus, an alumni, was also a veteran of the Civil War. He spoke about how, just a hundred yards from the statue, he had, in the weeks immediately after the end of the Civil War, personally horse-whipped a black woman, quote, 'until her skirts hung in shreds, because upon the streets of this quiet village she had publicly insulted and maligned a Southern lady, and then rushed for protection to these University buildings where was stationed a garrison of 100 Federal soldiers. … I performed the pleasing duty in the immediate presence of the entire garrison....'"

Let's stop whitewashing the nature of this statue and the intent of those who put it up.

www.democracynow.org

 

[ticket2ride04]

What is "the wrong side of history?"

Those that fought to defend the institution of Slavery.

 

[ticket2ride04]

To me, there's just History. There's what has happened. Then, there are interpretations of what happened. Then, there are also reactions to what happened. And, on and on.

I guess I never understood these so-called "sides" of History. I can understand how we look back and say "That was a bad idea." We say that with the benefit of hindsight. And, of course, we'd like to think, or hope, that we're leading personal lives that are moral and ethical. But, I'm sure we all have regrets and things we wish we did differently. But, I never feel like I'm on any side of history.

You’re making it quite binary. Slavery wasn’t universally loved by the South. Many abhorred it. Abolitionist were prevalent through the US and we were one of the last modern nations (maybe the last) to still used slavery. But the fact remains that the Southern states waged a war to keep their slaves.

 

[ticket2ride04]

Thing is you can not justify tearing down a stature that represents something you do not like because that action you did not like remains. Did the tearing down of Sam make any of the history of slavery any better, did it solve the problem, did it erase slavery?

No, it was simply an act of provocation, take an extreme action and dare anyone to respond negatively about it. So much of this now days is about nothing more than trying to provoke someone else to act just so their reaction can be pointed to as an aggressive act? To explain, this is as if someone slaps you and you turn around and nail them, they point to you as being violent?

That’s pretty much why SS and other statues like it were erected in the first place.

 

[tarheel0910]

"...white supremacist industrialist Julian Carr speaking at the 1913 unveiling of the Silent Sam statue on the UNC campus, an alumni, was also a veteran of the Civil War. He spoke about how, just a hundred yards from the statue, he had, in the weeks immediately after the end of the Civil War, personally horse-whipped a black woman, quote, 'until her skirts hung in shreds, because upon the streets of this quiet village she had publicly insulted and maligned a Southern lady, and then rushed for protection to these University buildings where was stationed a garrison of 100 Federal soldiers. … I performed the pleasing duty in the immediate presence of the entire garrison....'"

Let's stop whitewashing the nature of this statue and the intent of those who put it up.

www.democracynow.org

Carr was an idiot and shouldn't have been there, but his words don't reflect the meaning of the statue. The statue needed to be moved, but shouldn't have been torn down.

 

[strummingram]

You’re making it quite binary. Slavery wasn’t universally loved by the South. Many abhorred it. Abolitionist were prevalent through the US and we were one of the last modern nations (maybe the last) to still used slavery. But the fact remains that the Southern states waged a war to keep their slaves.

I'm making it binary? There's a "Right and Wrong" side of history, to you. I just said there was History. You're making it binary.

 

[strummingram]

Never a bad time to oppose the symbols of racism.

Arguably obligatory to oppose them when the state is defending them. As is the case here.

Did North Carolina learn nothing from the Civil War? Don't defend, support, praise, cover-for, excuse or distort in defense of slavery, Jim Crow, or any aspect of racism - especially institutionalized racism.

I agree with you. I just think that tearing it down, the way they did it, was a bad idea and it will have unintended consequences.

 

[ticket2ride04]

I'm making it binary? There's a "Right and Wrong" side of history, to you. I just said there was History. You're making it binary.

Yes. I’m going binary in the issue of slavery. It’s wrong.

 

[strummingram]

Yes. I’m going binary in the issue of slavery. It’s wrong.

Yeah... I'd have to agree. Owning other humans doesn't appeal to me at all. I'm glad the South lost the war. I wish the country could have ended chattel slavery without a war. But, wishing isn't getting.

 

[dgheel57]

I think most reasonable people would agree on that. The problem, as several have already pointed out, is that there was gridlock addressing the issue through conventional legal means.

I guess the good news is that racism has now been eradicated.

Not really,doing this crap is gonna make it worse.

 

[uncboy10]

dadika, people in general are not able to handle a frank, honest discussion of differences any more. The world we live in now is if you do not agree with me you are wrong and no truthful discussion is even allowed. This is manufactured anger and it's purpose is to divide us and if people do not stand up to it real soon it will destroy the greatest nation in the history of this rock we live on. I can disagree with others, geez, I disagree with you a lot but I don't hate you because we do not agree.

You just did exactly what you complained about in your first sentence. Maybe you should listen, and have an honest discussion with people that wanted the statue down, instead of just assuming that its "manufactured anger."

Thing is you can not justify tearing down a stature that represents something you do not like because that action you did not like remains. Did the tearing down of Sam make any of the history of slavery any better, did it solve the problem, did it erase slavery?

When did I justify "tearing down a stature that represents something you do not like." ??? I would have preferred the statue to come down legally, because that would send a stronger message that would actually address the issue of these memorials being publicly sanctioned.

Those questions are a false dichotomy. There are obviously other benefits that could come from taking down the statue without making the history of slavery any better, or erasing it.

No, it was simply an act of provocation, take an extreme action and dare anyone to respond negatively about it. So much of this now days is about nothing more than trying to provoke someone else to act just so their reaction can be pointed to as an aggressive act?

If you're so good at reading minds, could you get me some useful info on what the Tesla stock is about to do?

To explain, this is as if someone slaps you and you turn around and nail them, they point to you as being violent?

You should read some of the posts about counter protesting in this very thread. Several people have come dangerously close to making that exact argument.

 

[tarheel0910]

If you're so good at reading minds, could you get me some useful info on what the Tesla stock is about to do

Expect it to change from its current price. It's either going to go up or down.

 

[uncboy10]

Expect it to change from its current price. It's either going to go up or down.

 

[UNC '92]

From time-to-time you'll get some pretty good advice around here.

 

[JuleZ '02 HEEL]

Nine pages and nobody has asked the real question.

Now how are students supposed to know who the virgins are?

Disappointed in you, OOTB.

 

[uncboy10]

Nine pages and nobody has asked the real question.

Now how are students supposed to know who the virgins are?

Disappointed in you, OOTB.

Lol is there some kind of silent Sam walk of shame I don’t know about?

Or are we just assuming that none of the students would have actually shown up to protest if they had someone to bone

 

[Raising Heel]

Lol is there some kind of silent Sam walk of shame I don’t know about?

Dude.

 

[uncboy10]

Dude.

I'm not a student at Carolina... yet

nvm, I googled it lol you guys are no help

 

[Terror Beard]

Pretty much the whole world except people traffickers have already decided.

I wasn't consulted.

 

[Terror Beard]

Calm down there sporty spice. I already posted that I don’t want to be the arbiter.

Yeah, you can tell by my comment that I'm really mad. lol

But to stay calm is good advice - especially for those on a short leash. Take heed to your own advice Fido or we won't be seeing much of you around these parts. But you've been fairly docile since your return. You must have learned your lesson. Good for you, lil fella.

 

[uncboy10]

Yeah, you can tell by my comment that I'm really mad. lol

But to stay calm is good advice - especially for those on a short leash. Take heed to your own advice Fido or we won't be seeing much of you around these parts. But you've been fairly docile since your return. You must have learned your lesson. Good for you, lil fella.

I miss the old GSD

 

[Terror Beard]

I miss the old GSD

#metoo

 

[dadika13]

I miss the old GSD

 

[ticket2ride04]

I miss the old GSD

What happened to him?

 

[uncboy10]

What happened to him?

Went from porn stache to bad beard

 

[nctransplant]

What happened to him?

He's on sabbatical at some monastery by a stump somewhere I heard.

 

[Terror Beard]

This GSD fellow sounds like an awesome guy. I hope to run into him online one day.

 

[BillyL]

What happened to him?

He's out door to door campaigning for Tim Kaine.

 

[dadika13]

He's out door to door campaigning for Tim Kaine.

 

[Terror Beard]

^ would

 

[ticket2ride04]

This GSD fellow sounds like an awesome guy. I hope to run into him online one day.

He’s a tool.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

Did North Carolina learn nothing from the Civil War? Don't defend, support, praise, cover-for, excuse or distort in defense of slavery, Jim Crow, or any aspect of racism - especially institutionalized racism.

I realize throwing insults isn't the best way to debate things. But you have to be a fücking moron to believe that the state of North Carolina was in any way defending/supporting/praising slavery and racism by not tearing the statue down themselves.

 

[UNC '92]

This GSD fellow sounds like an awesome guy. I hope to run into him online one day.

 

[uncboy10]

I realize throwing insults isn't the best way to debate things. But you have to be a fücking moron to believe that the state of North Carolina was in any way defending/supporting/praising slavery and racism by not tearing the statue down themselves.

But what about the excusing and distorting?...

 

[strummingram]

I realize throwing insults isn't the best way to debate things. But you have to be a fücking moron to believe that the state of North Carolina was in any way defending/supporting/praising slavery and racism by not tearing the statue down themselves.

To me, those monuments are only trying to commemorate the sacrifice of the people who fought, and fought and died.

I mean, let's remove all the geopolitical variables- the morality- and just look at what they endured as soldiers... both sides. It was un-fvcking-precedented. And, they endured it, and took all the misery as a matter of course... for 4 years!

It was more bloody and savage the last year than the previous three combined, and each of those were all worse than the ones before! Shiloh, in 1862, had more casualties in that one battle than all American wars combined before that day.

The extreme circumstances and conditions are just incredible. Demoralizing weaponry that they walked straight into... over and over. They lacked the medical advancements that came 60 years later. But, the technologies of warfare were staggering. They stepped into a buzzsaw and had to keep stepping.

Civil War battles had 20 and 30% casualties one after another. I don't know how they kept it going so long.

 

[BillyL]

You mean the guy with the bike lock? Im pretty sure he was a left winger.

Just come up with one where the mob violence was initiated by the right.

Good news here we can all be proud of . .

 

[UNC71-00]

Good news here we can all be proud of . .

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Throw them under the jail.

 

[ProfessorOwl]

Good news here we can all be proud of . .

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I'm amazed that 6 and 10 year sentences were handed out in this case, while the bike lock guy (Eric Clanton) got 3 years probation.

Just more evidence of what is obvious, both sides are not treated equally, not by the Judiciary, not by the Press.

 

[UNC71-00]

I'm amazed that 6 and 10 year sentences were handed out in this case, while the bike lock guy (Eric Clanton) got 3 years probation.

Just more evidence of what is obvious, both sides are not treated equally, not by the Judiciary, not by the Press.

Also a good point. Bike lock guy deserves also to be thrown under the jail.

Left wing guy gets off in blue state
Right wing guy gets much stiffer sentence in purple state

What happens to right wing guy and left wing guy in red state?