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Exactly. Who cares how big of a fan anyone is of any sport? Actually, I can tell you who cares- the fan police that are found almost exclusively on Radar.


Not true. Woad and THN11 (to a lesser degree) have both gotten their shots in on the football board about the basketball onlies. I know because I've taken heat for not coming to enough of the games or not yelling my face off when I attend games. C'mon now...this is a two way street. And then there's me, who has always said people "fan" differently and I'm perfectly ok with that. If you want to show up late and leave early, that's you peroggative. If you want to only support one of our teams, that too is your choice. I don't care what kind of fan you want to be and I don't care what other schools' fans think of our fanbase. I do not in any way feel obligated to fan any certain way.
 
^^ In-game fan participation is a totally different aspect, GSD. You know I'm a stickler for that sort of thing and we've locked horns on it plenty of times :cool:
 
^^ In-game fan participation is a totally different aspect, GSD. You know I'm a stickler for that sort of thing and we've locked horns on it plenty of times :cool:

I just realized that you have more "likes" than I do. How in god's name has that happened? Are you purchasing "likes"?

What a crazy world we're living in...
 
Wow! This is the greatest heist since the Great Train Robbery!

Reading this thread was like riding a roller coaster!

The OP was an incredibly informative description of many things we have all suspected; changing this to a middle school name calling fest was disgraceful. Reading Comprehension is not the problem, the problem is a lack of discernment from those who can't tell the difference between legitimate critique and bashing of our own!

BTW: I posted on TOS for years (and had premi there) and if you think negativity is a problem here, then reading TOS would make you want to commit suicide! Tell me where you go to find that unicorn-like place where all peeps are enlightened! Football vs. Basketball is one of the silliest reasons for in-fighting I have ever seen!
 
it is pretty vanilla that virtually no contrarian opinions can be presented on this particular board. The discussion is much more varied and all-encompassing on Blitz -- negative and differing opinions are presented, and if they're ridiculous, they are debated and proven false with stats and examples, not flippant "well you're not a REAL fan" accusations.

This has been the case ever since I started reading/posting in this board. If you so much as suggest that we don't have 10 First Team All-Americans on the current roster, and don't have a coach that makes the right decision 100% of the time and should never be questioned, you will be attacked as negative and your true fanhood called out - and taunted about it the next time the team wins a game, even if it's against garbage competition.

I've come to accept it as a necessary evil of the board, and continue to participate, as there are a good amount of posters that enjoy a good debate and dissenting opinions. I do like the info that I get on the board as well, like in the OP. .

Maybe I should finally bite the bullet and pay for a premium account.
 
Folks and friends, I have been a passionate fan of all UNC sports dating back to the late 60's and pull for them as hard as anyone on these boards. While I regret the construction of two posts I made in response to what I considered warrantless attacks on my opinion regarding a thread I did not start nor was first to bring up some of what became part of my post, I often feel that responders who disagree to any criticism of UNC athletics or its athletes are typically the ones who attack, revert to name calling, condescension, and, as I have seen recently, racism and worse. Nothing I said in my original post on this thread should have constituted such animosity or vitriol my post endured. I lashed out and became what I loathe, and for that I am sorry. Still, it is ok to disagree with any posts here, and to do it with civility, which I will continue doing, as has been my practice since joining this great site in August of 2014. It is easy to hide behind an avatar and screen name and say all kinds of things you wouldn't say in person. So, if we are truly UNC fans, then we must allow dissent with the same spirit we'd have if there was agreement.
 
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Is it even possible to get the difference through peeps heads; do peeps even read threads or do they just see what they want to see and stop there?

Critique is necessary and accepted by any with even a modicum of maturity!

Bashing is attacked and rightfully so!


Where do you often find yourself, peeps?

There are thousands of opinions that I disagree with, for example G-7 said JB was playing great D at the beginning of the season and I vehemently disagreed, but it was all civil. (Now JB is a great on-ball defender) I never attacked the player, but I did say he needed to get better on D. I still believe what I said, but G-7 was right in that his improvement was based on team improvement, not personal. This is one of thousands of times peeps disagree without name calling, questioning someone's fandom, or questioning intelligence! I know I just wasted my time, but i needed to say it, lol.
 
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I do believe that the paid portion of this site is well worth it for those who are not yet full members of our community. The cost is minimal and the added info, research, inside information, analysis, and more, will really make it worth your while. This site operates on a budget, like TOS does, and all websites. The free portion is really excellent, but the paid even better. As part of my mea culpa, I will pay for the remaining three months of the basketball season to the first person who legitimately cannot afford to be a paid member right now who gets in touch with the publisher. This is an honor system dealio, so please be real. Write the publisher and provide all pertinent information they will need for your 3 month sub, and tell them to contact me (I believe they have the ability) and I will put up the cash.
 
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Tremendous gesture by you UNCbeliever! Someone needs to snatch this up who honestly needs the help. LOVE seeing a Tar Heel help out our family.

And YES, the premi side is really cool with all the great articles and recruiting info you just don't get anywhere else. And to top all that off ............................... NO DUKE OR UK FANS! :p
 
Folks and friends, I have been a passionate fan of all UNC sports dating back to the late 60's and pull for them as hard as anyone on these boards. While I regret the construction of two posts I made in response to what I considered warrantless attacks on my opinion regarding a thread I did not start nor was first to bring up some of what became part of my post, I often feel that responders who disagree to any criticism of UNC athletics or its athletes are typically the ones who attack, revert to name calling, condescension, and, as I have seen recently, racism and worse. Nothing I said in my original post on this thread should have constituted such animosity or vitriol my post endured. I lashed out and became what I loathe, and for that I am sorry. Still, it is ok to disagree with any posts here, and to do it with civility, which I will continue doing, as has been my practice since joining this great site in August of 2014. It is easy to hide behind an avatar and screen name and say all kinds of things you wouldn't say in person. So, if we are truly UNC fans, then we must allow dissent with the same spirit we'd have if there was agreement.

What a GREAT heart felt post!

Yes, we are all family here, CAROLINA FAMILY! Far as I'm concerned it's all good and we can all keep pulling for our Heels. Critique away just be prepared to get some rebuttal.
 
Tremendous gesture by you UNCbeliever! Someone needs to snatch this up who honestly needs the help. LOVE seeing a Tar Heel help out our family.

And YES, the premi side is really cool with all the great articles and recruiting info you just don't get anywhere else. And to top all that off ............................... NO DUKE OR UK FANS! :p
Or wolfers!
 
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Not true. Woad and THN11 (to a lesser degree) have both gotten their shots in on the football board about the basketball onlies. I know because I've taken heat for not coming to enough of the games or not yelling my face off when I attend games. C'mon now...this is a two way street. And then there's me, who has always said people "fan" differently and I'm perfectly ok with that. If you want to show up late and leave early, that's you peroggative. If you want to only support one of our teams, that too is your choice. I don't care what kind of fan you want to be and I don't care what other schools' fans think of our fanbase. I do not in any way feel obligated to fan any certain way.

There are differences, but I don't care enough about them to continue the discourse.

Suffice it to say that anyone can root however they are so inclined. I wish more people who follow basketball would have interest in other UNC sports but I really never think about it until one of these threads pops up.
 
...for my Heel brethren, from the latest installment I just got from my source:

Caveat: This is as of now...

1. I've held this back, but now the cat is pretty much outta the bag: Kennedy will be leaving --- that decision was made this past summer. It actually makes sense in that he was at the time considered draftable, and his draft grade will not improve.

2. No matter what, and despite his slow start, assume Justin will be gone as well. He has a first-round grade which will not improve by staying.

3. Now the good news: (this could change with a natty, but...) Berry is probably staying. He likes college, he has a solid family background and he and his dad know he could improve his status by coming back and going for the Cousy. And as of now, Hicks comes back as the man in the paint. What that means is that we bring back a nucleus of Berry/Pinson/Hicks w/ Maye and Bradley competing for the other Big starter, and Williams and Woods competing for the starting 2. Robinson is blowing up in his Sr HS season and should be ready to back up Theo at the 3. In other words, we'll still be pretty doggone good.

4. 7th is coming in with the realization that he will NOT get much PT at PG as a frosh, and has been working hard on his perimeter stroke to compete for the starting 2-guard spot. That is good news.

5. Speaking of which, we are fortunate to have such an alumni presence in Charlotte. Suffice to say that some prominent alums (MJ, PJ, Psycho, et al, as well as Sheed) have had about enough of the shenanigans (we have discussed on here) that have been recently perpetrated by AAU handlers and "mentors" on behalf of the likes of Gott and K (in-state), and of course, Cal.... Let me put it this way: Our alums are using their influence and resources (within the allowable NCAA parameters) to create a support network for current and prospective Carolina players. This network was fomented this summer via on-and-off-campus pick-up games and enhanced communications. Y'know, the ironic part of NCAA rules is that current UNC players have to be more careful about hanging out with our NBA alums (outside of pick-up games) than HS prospects. Go figure... :rolleyes:

6. Speaking of which, here is a quote from one of those aforementioned alums from this past summer's activities: "Just watch. Don't worry when Paige leaves --- Berry will be the man".

Anyway, got a good dose of info tonight --- just wanted to share...... :cool:
For a guy who has lived in western Pa. almost his whole life and has been a Tar Heel fan practically his whole life, how STRONG is this? The basketball alums truly and honestly love this p5rogram. Talk about programs, no other school comes close.
 
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Meeks is DEFINITELY gone; hicks is starting to get attention from scouts; stillman wouldn't start for Fairfield; berry doesn't break down defenders and nba guards need to; JJ is a 2nd rounder purely on upside and nothing more t this point; we have no depth next year by anything yet seen even if all others stay but Meeks

I assume this is the post that got everyone's pants in a wad, I don't agree with much of it, do some what agree with some of it. First, about Meeks DEFINITELY being gone, yeah, that is or at least was the plan prior to this season. But so far this season, imo he has not helped that plan. In pre-season, a kid is expected to show improvement from past seasons, for example look at Hicks as comparred to meeks, the improvement from Hicks is off the charts, not sure I can ever recall a kid exploding thru in his Jr season to this extent. Hicks vastly improved from frosh to soph but what he has done from soph to Jr just continues to blow my mind. Contrast what you see now in Hicks to what you see now with Meeks, same class, meeks having more court time and yet in my view I see pretty much the same Meeks I saw last season, which is kinda a slimmer but similar production as the freshman version. I have seen his body transform but I have not seen his game grow like I would have expected and certainly not like what we see with Hicks. I am not saying a NBA team will not draft meeks first round but I will 100% say based off of what I have seen this season, I would not, in fact I would absolutely draft Brice and Hicks before I would Meeks. Just my opinion based on what I see.

Berry, does not have that great measurables that the NBA does love, Buddy Hield doesn't either but Hield is looking like a top 5 pick. Right now his size is a concern to NBA scouts, at his size they want to see Rondo, Chris Paul level game, I wouldn't put him at that level. Measurables mean a lot to NBA teams but ya can measure the dawg but you can not measure the heart in the dawg. I think Joel has to keep working on his shooting, solid shooter right now but he is not the focus of defenses, the concern is can he still shoot when the defenses focus to stop his shooting? In other words, when they treat him like Marcus does he still produce?

JJ, I think is having a very good soph season, his jump shot and more specifically his 3pt jump shots are not dropping but that is IMO the ONLY aspect of his game lacking right now but dropping jump shots was supposed to be his speciality prior to college. I think those jump shots need to start falling or he could be looking at a 2nd round spot in the next draft. If it does begin to drop he likely is looking at a just outside the lotto spot. The NBA is more of a wide open court game, not as many teams looking to slow down the pace and force half court, JJ excells in the open court, runs really well, good hands and finishes the break, that is very appealing to NBA teams.

No dept if everyone stays but Meeks? I think having Hicks and JJ back would be more vital than Meeks but no Meeks means we would have ONLY Hicks and Tony Bradley with our only back up big being Luke. It is vital that we get another front court commit that can come in next season and help, you must have 3 solid front court guys and you really need 4 to be a solid contender. If no meeks and no other commit then we are going to have to see either Theo or Jackson swing down to the 4, meaning we will be very under sized, we would be fast but really undersized. Other than Tony, our in the bag freshmen so far are back court guys, we need another front court guy and I think Azibukie would be a great fit. Bamba would be great but he is a year away from next season. Maybe Allen thou I don't think he comes this side of the Mississippi, Radovic (sp) is out there and we have had contact but I don't see that at all.

Problem is if I had to wager right now I would agree that meeks is gone no matter how good the idea may be and I think JJ may be 50/50 at best and maybe more like 60/40 gone. But the real blow may be Hicks, who may be 55/45 coming back right now and the odds may be turning away from our favor with each game he plays. That would leave just Tony and Luke and that would be a severe problem unless we can add another freshman big or find a graduate transfer able to play next season. The PT would sure be there to draw in a big or 2.

Finally, in a later post from the one quoted the poster says there is no stigma tag placed on upper classmen? That just is not true, there is absolutely a damaged good tag on kids that do not leave as freshmen and most especially those that were Micky D guys. For example, look at JMM, was hyped as a can't miss one & doner but you watched his as a freshman, he had 2 solid games that just happened to occur in the NCAAT when Henson was hurt. But other than that, it is not understating to say he had a under acheiving frosh season as comparred to his incoming hype, for the record PJ was a freshman at the same time and was just as underwhelming. When JMM left UNC he was a MUCH better over all player yet was lucky to snag a second round selection. The more the NBA can see you play the more your flaws show and those flaws seem to get amplified and absolutely that label of damaged goods get put on you. I don't think it is fair because many of these kids that come back develope in to outstanding players, look at Draymon Green, heck look at Curry?

There is MUCH the NBA does that makes little to no sense to me, it at times is as if these bizzilionaires love wasting millions on some of these players just to show they can and still be filthy rich? So dumb decisions seem to me to happen all the time, drafting meeks based on what I have seen so far is an example of a dumb decision IMHO, hyping Skal as the next #1 pick is the same. To me, I don't waste a pick on a kid that is not dominating in the minor leagues, if you can't dominate in the minors how the heck can I expect you to dominate in the majors? The NCAA is the minor leagues for professional sports...
 
Players brands aren't hurt by staying in school, but because they never reach their projected potential and are found to be what they really are

Yes their brands are hurt by staying in school. I make the point that the more they are seen the more their flaws are exposed but it is even more than just that. There is a label placed on these kids that elect to come back to school, there is the expectation by the NBA that if you are really worthy of being a NBA players that you waste no more time in the minor leagues than you have to, currently that is one season in college ball. if you waste more time in their view, something MUST be wrong with you that they have not yet seen.;

NBA players have talked about this, college players talk about this all the time, high school players know this, it is not a secret?
 
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Folks and friends, I have been a passionate fan of all UNC sports dating back to the late 60's and pull for them as hard as anyone on these boards. While I regret the construction of two posts I made in response to what I considered warrantless attacks on my opinion regarding a thread I did not start nor was first to bring up some of what became part of my post, I often feel that responders who disagree to any criticism of UNC athletics or its athletes are typically the ones who attack, revert to name calling, condescension, and, as I have seen recently, racism and worse. Nothing I said in my original post on this thread should have constituted such animosity or vitriol my post endured. I lashed out and became what I loathe, and for that I am sorry. Still, it is ok to disagree with any posts here, and to do it with civility, which I will continue doing, as has been my practice since joining this great site in August of 2014. It is easy to hide behind an avatar and screen name and say all kinds of things you wouldn't say in person. So, if we are truly UNC fans, then we must allow dissent with the same spirit we'd have if there was agreement.

Good post< i noticed this thread this morning, read the last page first so had to go see the post that seemed to get everyone upset. Now I honestly didn't see anything out of bounds, you did say some things i do not agree with and you said some things I do kinda agree with and I addressed both the disagreements as well as what I sorta did agree with.

You know, I am not shy about saying what I think, you also know I do not need folks to agree with my opinions and yet I don't so often get in to nasty disagreements with other Tar heel fans. I am not a fan of labels, doom & gloomer, sunshine & roses have become labels that split our fans base. basketball only, football only are 2 more divisive labels that tend to split our fans. we get so busy trying to tag a label on someone that we seem to forget, everyone that does not agree with me is not my enemy just as someone that agrees with you more often is not always your friend.

Now I happen to love all UNC sports, absolutely fess up to being more of a rabid UNC basketball fan than any other UNC sport, does not mean I do not enjoy when UNC men's baseball do well, I absolutely love what UNC football did this season and rooted for them hard. There are people that just do not like basketball as a sport so they are not going to love UNC basketball as much as UNC football, I understand that. It does not make them a good or bad fan, it just means they prefer a sport more than I do. Some folks may be a fan of UNC basketball and yet a fan of another schools football, for example. I don't understand how that works but it isn't about me or my understanding, that is how they are built, I am fine with that, I don;t have to understand or agree cause it ain;t up to me.

I really wish folks would not be so eagar to place labels on folks like good or bad fan. If you are a fan and you have your opinions, still being America I think that is still allowed, i love folks to express their opinions and give me the chance to voice my own in agreement or not.

Yall know me, I will go to someone's butt when I see someone come here for no other reason than to cause a problem, I will also defend to my last breathe a fan of another program that comes here for no more than serious discussion and opinion exchange. but yeah, if you come here and act like a 10yr old I am not gonna be all that kind toward ya, name calling is not what adults should do. But there are times we all get heated up and say or do things we later regret, lord knows I am guilty of that, not just here either by the way! LOL
 
...for my Heel brethren, from the latest installment I just got from my source:

Caveat: This is as of now...

1. I've held this back, but now the cat is pretty much outta the bag: Kennedy will be leaving --- that decision was made this past summer.

That one made me chuckle. Tar Heel fans who really follow all aspects of our Basketball team know this from way back. At least we knew that was the plan, not so sure it will take place UNLESS we really see some huge strides going forward.

Was going to rely to a couple of Brothers Dave's post but by the time I got through all them I forgot way I was going to respond to!:p
 
That one made me chuckle. Tar Heel fans who really follow all aspects of our Basketball team know this from way back. At least we knew that was the plan, not so sure it will take place UNLESS we really see some huge strides going forward.

Was going to rely to a couple of Brothers Dave's post but by the time I got through all them I forgot way I was going to respond to!:p
Not sure why you're chuckling, Mikey. barring something unforeseen he will not be back.
 
Yes their brands are hurt by staying in school. I make the point that the more they are seen the more their flaws are exposed but it is even more than just that. There is a label placed on these kids that elect to come back to school, there is the expectation by the NBA that if you are really worthy of being a NBA players that you waste no more time in the minor leagues than you have to, currently that is one season in college ball. if you waste more time in their view, something MUST be wrong with you that they have not yet seen.;

NBA players have talked about this, college players talk about this all the time, high school players know this, it is not a secret?
Sad but true.
 
Not sure why you're chuckling, Mikey. barring something unforeseen he will not be back.

That was reported last summer. It was no secret.

You think he still goes even if he is way down in the 2nd round? No doubt in my mind he will "test the waters" especially with the new rules, but unless he really steps it up, he will be messing up by going. Think Brice improved his stock coming back? How about Big Z? Big guy from Wisky? Coming back is NOT always bad even though I know you and Brother Dave sing that song.
 
I really respect what Mr, Believer said and offered! I humbly retract everything I thought about you sir (even if I didn't say most of them).

The best part of being part of a Family is the ability to be forgiven for mistakes and the trust that you will be welcomed back into the fold, warts and all!
 
Yes their brands are hurt by staying in school. I make the point that the more they are seen the more their flaws are exposed but it is even more than just that. There is a label placed on these kids that elect to come back to school, there is the expectation by the NBA that if you are really worthy of being a NBA players that you waste no more time in the minor leagues than you have to, currently that is one season in college ball. if you waste more time in their view, something MUST be wrong with you that they have not yet seen.;

NBA players have talked about this, college players talk about this all the time, high school players know this, it is not a secret?
Read what I wrote and you will see we are in agreement on this
 
That was reported last summer. It was no secret.

You think he still goes even if he is way down in the 2nd round? No doubt in my mind he will "test the waters" especially with the new rules, but unless he really steps it up, he will be messing up by going. Think Brice improved his stock coming back? How about Big Z? Big guy from Wisky? Coming back is NOT always bad even though I know you and Brother Dave sing that song.

Mikey, don't get what i said twisted, I STRONGLY believe that Meeks, Hicks, JJ, should ALL come back and learn the game they one day want to play for pay. I understand how these kids see it, starting the rookie salary cap clock ticking forces way to many of these kids to enter the league before they have really maximized the ability to learn the game from the best teachers available, college coaches. How bad did 3yrs at UNC hurt Jordan, did 4 years at Wake hurt Tim Duncan?

I see as as the difference between getting to the NBA and staying in the NBA. I feel like the better your skills are developed prior to the NBA, the more you understand how to play the game, and the more mature as a person you are helps you stay longer in the NBA.

I hate the one & done rule but unlike many, I do not believe there should be any rule. Kobe did it, Lebron did it, makes no sense that Ben Simmons was not allowed to try. I see so many wanting a baseball rule, I get why they do, dukies want to keep a guy like Giles for more than a single season. But it makes no sense to penalize a kid for for electing to play college ball, a kid that does not feel he is ready right now, folks want him held hostage for 3 years for making such a decision and there is no way I can call that fair. The NCAA allows scholarships only on an annual basis, how does it make sense that the NCAA, the school has a lesser comittment to the player than the player would be required to have for the school?

No rule is needed, no rule has ever been needed, all the NBA ever had to do was not draft kids straight out of high school. Do you need a law that tells you it is illegal to jump off a tall building to your death? Is the fact it is against the law the only reason you don't do it? The league could not handle its own greed so they put this awful rule in place. Don't draft them and there is no problem, the league became what it is today because they only drafted kids that had spent all or most of 4yrs in a college program, learning the game, developing their skills, and growing from kids to young adults. The NBA was a much better game back when that was going on, the NBA has been dumbed down now because these kids come in without a clue of how to play at that level and not nearly mentally or physically matured.

a MUCH better process would be for the NBA to credit the time a kid spends in college learning the game and developing toward the rookie contract term. That would give these kids a reason to not only play college ball but stay in a college program longer knowing they do not have to wait 4yrs for this rookie contract period to be done before they can get a contract closer to their real value. That would help the college game as well as the NBA game and be totally fair to the kids as well.
 
Read what I wrote and you will see we are in agreement on this

Where we differ is it is more than just the NBA being able to see more of their flaws, it is a damaged goods label that is put on a kid that stays more than a single season in the college game, should not be that way but it is. It isn't just the flaws they see, they assume there are other flaws that kept them from entering the draft even if nothing else is there to find so the damaged good tag gets affixed to them.
 
That was reported last summer. It was no secret.

You think he still goes even if he is way down in the 2nd round? No doubt in my mind he will "test the waters" especially with the new rules, but unless he really steps it up, he will be messing up by going. Think Brice improved his stock coming back? How about Big Z? Big guy from Wisky? Coming back is NOT always bad even though I know you and Brother Dave sing that song.
If I had my 'druthers I'd be right with you (I think the NBA has it quite wrong in their approach, but it is what it is)... That ain't the point I was making.
The point is it's not a matter of should or shouldn't with KM. I simply posted something I know --- as we speak, not just last summer --- to be his intention.
Would I like to see that intention change? Absolutely. Will it change? Highly unlikely... (if I find out that it does, I will be more than happy to bring that info back to the board).

BTW: As for Brice, he never seriously considered it. Once he got his head right late in his freshman season he has been all-in, and he knew full well that staying for his Sr season was the right decision for him --- he's making himself some future $$$ right about now.
 
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If I had my 'druthers I'd be right with you (I think the NBA has it quite wrong in their approach, but it is what it is)... That ain't the point I was making.
The point is it's not a matter of should or shouldn't with KM. I simply posted something I know --- as we speak, not just last summer --- to be his intention.
Would I like to see that intention change? Absolutely. Will it change? Highly unlikely... (if I find out that it does, I will be more than happy to bring that info back to the board).

BTW: As for Brice, he never seriously considered it. Once he got his head right late in his freshman season he has been all-in, and he knew full well that staying for his Sr season was the right decision for him --- he's making himself some future $$$ right about now.

I think it was AJ some place in this thread that said there was not much more Meeks could improve on to increase his NBA draftabilty. I STRONGLY DISAGREE on that, I don't see the kid showing off a jump shot out to the end of the paint, I don't see him attacking defenders he has pinned inside the block charge, I don't see him using his bulk and strength like say Sullenger (another under the basket big man). No doubt in my mind if he could increase his verticle his NBA stock shoots up like a rocket but I am not expecting that any more.

But to say meeks does not have any more that he can work on to improve his NBA stock not only really surprises me but disappoints me coming from a guy like AJ... To not realize how important a solid mid range game would be for this kid amazes me and to infer that he will not be able to develope that and show case it as a senior is really a surprising stance to take. It makes me think that AJ would prefer the kid to move on rather than develope more marketable weapons that he will absolutely 100% beyond a SHADOW OF A DOUBT NEED IF HE HAS ANYTHING MORE THAN A CUP OF COFFEE IN THE NBA.

It takes 2 to tango, for a kid to be drafted it also takes 2, takes the kid and it takes a NBA team. Now for sure if it were only up to Meeks it would be easy but it is also up to a NBA and that is not as easy. Is he willing to take a second round spot, is he willing to go even if he is not picked in the second round? You can talk about nitches all day long but a below average height and very below average reach for a center that can not finish strong above the rim? If he does leave after this season, I really hope he is taking some foreign language classes this year because he will need them.

No offense intended toward Kennedy, but the NBA places greater stock in measurables than most other aspects and Kennedy has really really poor measurables. The fact that he has such poor measureables is why his shots are being blocked so often. Brice on the other hand has solid measurables, big reason his shots are not being blocked...
 
If I had my 'druthers I'd be right with you (I think the NBA has it quite wrong in their approach, but it is what it is)... That ain't the point I was making.
The point is it's not a matter of should or shouldn't with KM. I simply posted something I know --- as we speak, not just last summer --- to be his intention.
Would I like to see that intention change? Absolutely. Will it change? Highly unlikely... (if I find out that it does, I will be more than happy to bring that info back to the board).

BTW: As for Brice, he never seriously considered it. Once he got his head right late in his freshman season he has been all-in, and he knew full well that staying for his Sr season was the right decision for him --- he's making himself some future $$$ right about now.

I think Brice has played himself up a good 15-20 spots this season. Went from late to fringe 1st rounder to honestly if he keeps up the production?.... Will go 2nd half of the lottery.
 
But to say meeks does not have any more that he can work on to improve his NBA stock not only really surprises me but disappoints me coming from a guy like AJ... To not realize how important a solid mid range game would be for this kid amazes me and to infer that he will not be able to develope that and show case it as a senior is really a surprising stance to take. It makes me think that AJ would prefer the kid to move on rather than develope more marketable weapons that he will absolutely 100% beyond a SHADOW OF A DOUBT NEED IF HE HAS ANYTHING MORE THAN A CUP OF COFFEE IN THE NBA.

It kinda of goes both ways. Sure, if Meeks comes back and has a very good to great Sr. year it's all good. He plays his way into a higher pick. But what if he "improves" as much as he has so far? Little better shooter, little worse rebounder, and gets to the line even less? I don't see how his stock will rise in that case. And if Meeks is content with being a 2-3 rounder then why not go ASAP?

Personally I wish he would stay but if he doesn't then I wish him luck.

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I think Brice has played himself up a good 15-20 spots this season. Went from late to fringe 1st rounder to honestly if he keeps up the production?.... Will go 2nd half of the lottery.

I've seen this sentiment a lot on here lately, and I get it, but for what its worth, the most recent Chad Ford "Big Board 2.0" didn't even have Brice in the first round or his "next five in" as of yesterday, even with all the hype surrounding Brice's strong play lately. I think Brice can be a solid NBA player, but I bet NBA scouts are quietly worried about the narrative that Roy has to coach him so much harder than everyone else on this team just for him to keep his head in the game. It would worry me. Obviously talented, but that's a real thing and has been all 4 years, and without the right NBA coach, it could be a long term issue.

Along those lines, if I were an NBA scout, and I'm not, I'd be concerned about Meeks' conditioning. Same sort of thing - he's had his hand held at UNC through some pretty intense weight loss. No one is going to hold his hand at the next level; he'll be expected to keep himself in shape. I'm not saying he can't... what he's done to this point with or without hand holding is obviously impressive and he deserves more credit than I'm probably giving him, but I think we all know it can be grueling to keep weight off.

I wish nothing but the best for these two at the next level... just noting what my concerns would be in drafting them.
 
Is this your same source that said Wiggins and Ingram were coming here?
WTF are you even talking about? I never said any such thing BTW... only the scuttlebutt on where we stood at any given time (which anyone with any sense knows is fluid --- hell, Boo Williams' tirade about Dennis Smith coming to UNC ended up not coming to fruition, and I cautioned that could be the case WHEN I reported it). But if you really wanna go there, for the record when I actually venture to CALL one my track record ain't bad... like lessee, when I called all of our current commits (7th was a late call but I got it), Joel Berry and Justin Jackson in the '14 class, Kenny Williams to UNC over UVA, not to mention Jalen Brown to Cal (when nobody else was)... not that it's relevant here whatsosever. Any info or, when appropriate, calls I throw out in recruiting are from AAU/coach chatter that sometimes coalesces here in ATL. I'm not any recruiting guru... don't claim to be... just keep my ear to the ground.

But again, that's all irrelevant here. My source ITT is close to some of the players on this team (which until they graduate and/or leave is as far as I'm gonna go in revealing it). Sorry that some want to shoot the messenger. Honestly, responses like this are why I almost didn't post any of it. SMH.
 
Don't ever worry about a few mal-contents Gary. Most of us want to hear what others are hearing whether we agree with it or not and discuss it like adults.

Well ..................... cept for Dave and he tries to get his point across with novels. :p
 
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Yes their brands are hurt by staying in school. I make the point that the more they are seen the more their flaws are exposed but it is even more than just that. There is a label placed on these kids that elect to come back to school, there is the expectation by the NBA that if you are really worthy of being a NBA players that you waste no more time in the minor leagues than you have to, currently that is one season in college ball. if you waste more time in their view, something MUST be wrong with you that they have not yet seen.;

NBA players have talked about this, college players talk about this all the time, high school players know this, it is not a secret?

That was reported last summer. It was no secret.

You think he still goes even if he is way down in the 2nd round? No doubt in my mind he will "test the waters" especially with the new rules, but unless he really steps it up, he will be messing up by going. Think Brice improved his stock coming back? How about Big Z? Big guy from Wisky? Coming back is NOT always bad even though I know you and Brother Dave sing that song.

I agree with both posts. In this age of instant gratification, the perception is that there must be something wrong with a guy that returns to school when he could opt for the quick money. Heaven forbid that he may enjoy college, or want to get his degree, or may think he has something yet to prove at the college level.

Unfortunately, the other side of the coin is that unless you improve every year you're in college, your weaknesses become more glaring. The current system is what it is. I think everyone benefitted from the days when even the very best guys stayed in college four years. The players got an education in case they couldn't make it in the NBA, and the vast majority don't. The college game was better because the talent level was higher and teams stayed together long enough to become really good. And the NBA got to see players play at a high level for four years without having to risk millions on potential.

I still say the best way to counteract the OAD impact is for colleges to reinstate Freshman ineligibility. Kids who possess neither the academic skills nor the desire to attend college should not be attending college, period. Let them go overseas or to the NBDL.
 
Tremendous gesture by you UNCbeliever! Someone needs to snatch this up who honestly needs the help. LOVE seeing a Tar Heel help out our family.

And YES, the premi side is really cool with all the great articles and recruiting info you just don't get anywhere else. And to top all that off ............................... NO DUKE OR UK FANS! :p

But we do have WTZ in hiding...o_O
 
I've seen this sentiment a lot on here lately, and I get it, but for what its worth, the most recent Chad Ford "Big Board 2.0" didn't even have Brice in the first round or his "next five in" as of yesterday, even with all the hype surrounding Brice's strong play lately. I think Brice can be a solid NBA player, but I bet NBA scouts are quietly worried about the narrative that Roy has to coach him so much harder than everyone else on this team just for him to keep his head in the game. It would worry me. Obviously talented, but that's a real thing and has been all 4 years, and without the right NBA coach, it could be a long term issue.

Along those lines, if I were an NBA scout, and I'm not, I'd be concerned about Meeks' conditioning. Same sort of thing - he's had his hand held at UNC through some pretty intense weight loss. No one is going to hold his hand at the next level; he'll be expected to keep himself in shape. I'm not saying he can't... what he's done to this point with or without hand holding is obviously impressive and he deserves more credit than I'm probably giving him, but I think we all know it can be grueling to keep weight off.

I wish nothing but the best for these two at the next level... just noting what my concerns would be in drafting them.
Ignore Chad Ford that is your first issue. Most years Brice is taken in that 15-25 range with the way he is playing and due to his age. But this is a weaker draft so don't be surprised Brice is off the board by the 14th pick.

Meeks on the other hand is a 2nd round pick.
 
I agree with both posts. In this age of instant gratification, the perception is that there must be something wrong with a guy that returns to school when he could opt for the quick money. Heaven forbid that he may enjoy college, or want to get his degree, or may think he has something yet to prove at the college level.

Unfortunately, the other side of the coin is that unless you improve every year you're in college, your weaknesses become more glaring. The current system is what it is. I think everyone benefitted from the days when even the very best guys stayed in college four years. The players got an education in case they couldn't make it in the NBA, and the vast majority don't. The college game was better because the talent level was higher and teams stayed together long enough to become really good. And the NBA got to see players play at a high level for four years without having to risk millions on potential.

I still say the best way to counteract the OAD impact is for colleges to reinstate Freshman ineligibility. Kids who possess neither the academic skills nor the desire to attend college should not be attending college, period. Let them go overseas or to the NBDL.

Archer, you just hit on a point that is very key for the way I look at a kid and a point that amazes me the NBA seems to discount. I want to see a kid improve year to year, even game to game actually. What I see Roy having to do with Brice is coaching the player and clearly what you see in Brice's development from frosh to soph, from soph to Jr, and now from Jr to Sr is constant and steady progression. Any coach worth their pay check knows that is a kid taking to the coaching, accepting it and developing. What you cite as a NBA concern by my view is a strength more than a weakness, he is coachable! Brice has dramatically improved pretty much every aspect of his game each season he has played for us and look at the player he has become.

So many folks get blown away by freshmen coming in and struggling early season only to have this monster turn around mid season and they call that development? Freshmen all have to acclaimate to the college level of competition, that isn't as much develoment as it is the natural progression of a talented player figuring out how to play vs college competition. Real development is seen AFTER a player has gone thru that natural progression and can only get to that next level in play by developing skills they didn't have honed sharp coming to college. Brice for example, relied strickly on being the best athlete on the floor prior to college, as a freshman he discovered he was not the best athlete on his own team.

It takes most freshmen half to 3 qtrs of their freshman season to be able to fit in with college players and figure out how they have to play to be productive. For some it is harder than for others, I mean a 7 footer with a really long wing span can usually contribute earlier because he has such a length advantage but at the same time the message that you have to dedicate work to improving your skills is a little harder for them to hear because they can produce earlier on.

I define develpment as starting with what you have right now and building on it, not taking what you have right now and show casing it. A baker may have great tasting cake batter, it may even be the best cake batter ever tasted, if that baker puts that cake batter in a pan and sticks it in the over for 60mins but does not turn the heat on in the oven, what he pulls out is still great tasting, but it is great tasting cake batter, it is not a great cake. But allow that same baker to pre-heat the oven, put that great taking cake batter in that pan and stick in that heated oven for 60min (forgive me folks I don't bake cakes so I may have burnt this :) but the end result is a great tasting cake. Point is the cake batter was developed ONLY after being worked on and developed by the heat of the oven. PLayers are like that, many freshmen are GREAT cake batter and some stay great batter but never bake and others may not come in as great batter but are baked perfectly and the result is Brice Johnson or what I see in Hicks. Development of the raw ingredients to final product, not raw ingredients to still raw ingredients that are better than others raw ingredients.

By that analogy Roy was handed a hen, a cow, and a couple ears of corn in Joel James and even with that has turned out a pretty good tasting cake!
 
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