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Soooo, What's the Difference Between a Democrat and a Socialist?

So, you agree with the logic, but you can't trust him because he doesn't believe there's a Man In The Sky keeping track of all of us. Your religion has basically diminished God to being just that. Without realizing it, you've subscribed to that idea, either consciously or subconsciously.

His comments may reflect a liberal mind. But, you people need to understand what true Liberalism really means. Neo-conservative is not conservative in a traditional sense. Liberal minds founded this country, okay? Breaking from tradition and from the monarchy, choosing to be individualized and independent from the traditional "care provider." Most religions force their members to subjugate to something like a King, metaphorically and literally. It's basically impossible to break from that in a social/political sense as well. Most people here have their "conservatism" fed to them from sources like Fox News Channel. That's not conservative at all. It's a regression of thought and it's becoming more and more like a cult.

I don't need a lesson from you on what is what. I know what I believe and my political beliefs are based on what God says in his Word. And you will bow to Him one day, only question is will it be too late.
 
Boy I do agree everyone has been bought and sold. However all of your comments on this board clearly indicate you are either ultra liberal or socialist and both will destroy this country. Your disbelief in God Almighty is your first mistake.

My disbelief in something you cannot possibly prove exists is my first mistake? lololol okay. Just to be clear, is it my disbelief in god? or my disbelief in YOUR god. Would I be better off as a Muslim than an anti-theist? How about a Buddhist?

But lets be clear. I don't just disbelieve. I think your religion is poison. I think it's sick. The fact that its 2015 and we're still worshiping the symbol of human sacrifice is disgusting.
 
I don't need a lesson from you on what is what. I know what I believe and my political beliefs are based on what God says in his Word. And you will bow to Him one day, only question is will it be too late.
I wasn't "giving you a lesson." I just held up a mirror to you. You even used "bow to Him." No lesson necessary. If anything, I just clarified and you agreed with me. Thank you.

God is not a Christian, or a Jew, or a Buddhist, or a Muslim, or a Hindu, or a Shintoist, or a Taoist, or a Mormon, or a Man In The Sky. Those are ALL human creations.

I'm absolutely not a an anti-theist, like UNCboy10, but I do understand his contempt for simple religious minds. When your political beliefs are merely extensions of your religious ideology, you're exactly like these Radical Muslims without the balls and weaponry to do harm. Theocracy is not what this country needs at all.
 
This thread is example A of what is wrong with the Religous Right/Moral Majority.

If this sect of the GOP could separate religion from politics, there would be a lot more politicians elected who would be much more acceptable to that sect.

It's just amazing how many of these voters will cut off their noses to spite their faces. Unfortunately the result is that we end up with people like Obama in office.
 
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This thread is example A of what is wrong with the Religous Right/Moral Majority.

If this sect of the GOP could separate religion from politics, there would be a lot more politicians elected who would be much more acceptable to that sect.

It's just amazing how many of these voters will cut off their noses to spite their faces. Unfortunately the result is that we end up with people like Obama in office.
They will keep losing elections. I am wondering if this whole Neo-Con/Religious Right?Fox News cult crap is intentional in order to minimize opposition to the socialist direction.
 
They will keep losing elections. I am wondering if this whole Neo-Con/Religious Right?Fox News cult crap is intentional in order to minimize opposition to the socialist direction.

Nah. The media just wants viewers (actually, they just want revenue from advertisements, which requires viewers). So the media pumps up drama and action because that draws viewers.

As far as the GOP and Democrats, they just want voters. And voters just want money back in their districts, even if they don't want money in other districts. So politicians will keep getting elected and sending money back home so as to be reelected. There's really no agenda past that.

Most of the time, conspiracies can be debunked with simple answers.
 
So, you agree with the logic, but you can't trust him because he doesn't believe there's a Man In The Sky keeping track of all of us. Your religion has basically diminished God to being just that. Without realizing it, you've subscribed to that idea, either consciously or subconsciously.

His comments may reflect a liberal mind. But, you people need to understand what true Liberalism really means. Neo-conservative is not conservative in a traditional sense. Liberal minds founded this country, okay? Breaking from tradition and from the monarchy, choosing to be individualized and independent from the traditional "care provider." Most religions force their members to subjugate to something like a King, metaphorically and literally. It's basically impossible to break from that in a social/political sense as well. Most people here have their "conservatism" fed to them from sources like Fox News Channel. That's not conservative at all. It's a regression of thought and it's becoming more and more like a cult.
spoken by one who is ok with civilization digressing to more and more primitive base state where anything goes...
 
spoken by one who is ok with civilization digressing to more and more primitive base state where anything goes...

Spoken by the one who literally believes a virgin woman gave birth to the son of god, who just so happened to walk on water and came back from the dead. But yeah, we're primitive... lolol

On another note, if I'm going to call someone primitive, I usually try to make sure that I do so in a properly constructed sentence. Just a pointer.
 
Spoken by the one who literally believes a virgin woman gave birth to the son of god, who just so happened to walk on water and came back from the dead. But yeah, we're primitive... lolol

On another note, if I'm going to call someone primitive, I usually try to make sure that I do so in a properly constructed sentence. Just a pointer.
You are less civilized than the ancients who burned new-born children on altars to the false gods of their time; the only difference is that your false god is YOU.
 
You are less civilized than the ancients who burned new-born children on altars to the false gods of their time, except your false god is YOU.

Too bad you weren't born in another time Nukey. With that kind of misguided conviction you would've fit right in around those altars.
 
Too bad you weren't born in another time Nukey. With that kind of misguided conviction you would've fit right in around those altars.
You and your kind are the modern equivalent of those primitive civilizations. Your altar is YOU.
 
Which one of us worships the idea of a human being sacrificed to forgive them of their sins?...
 
Which one of us worships the idea of a human being sacrificed to forgive them of their sins?...
I'm not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God for salvation of the human soul for those who believe. But a more pertinent question would be which one of us is ok with killing unborn children?
 
I'm okay with the abortion of a pregnancy within the first trimester. As opposed to denying an already sentient human being the right to choose what to do with their own body

That's completely different than believing in nonsense in the sky and thinking that a human being being tortured and murdered can somehow alleviate you of your responsibilities and wipe your slate clean. That's truly sick to teach to children.
 
Which one of us is ok with killing unborn children?
I'm okay with the abortion of a pregnancy within the first trimester. As opposed to denying an already sentient human being the right to choose what to do with their own body
And, that makes you more civilized, less primitive? What is so magical about the first trimester for you? Why is the second trimester, or third trimester off limits?
 
I think believing in cult nonsense makes you more primitive. I dont pretend to take my views from some divine authority. It's just my opinion and I will support it with the most objective, logical arguments I can muster.
 
I think believing in cult nonsense makes you more primitive. I dont pretend to take my views from some divine authority. It's just my opinion and I will support it with the most objective, logical arguments I can muster.
Answer the question! Why is is OK to abort a baby in the first trimester? What is so magical about that timeframe? What makes the second or third trimester off-limits? And, how is any of that more civilized, less primitive. The fact you try to even make such an argument makes you more primitive than the ancients. At least the primitive civilizations who burned their new-born children on the altars to Baal didn't try to weasel out of the fact they did it because they wanted to; they did it because it brought them pleasure as they had mass orgies around those altars as their new-born were being burned alive.
 
The fetus develops over time Nuk. The first trimester is the medically accepted cut off for abortions except for extreme circumstances.

I dont want women to get abortions. I'm not going into ghettos advocating for them as some kind of social solution. But if a woman says that she wants or needs one, then how can I claim the authority to tell her she can't?

If you're so opposed to abortion maybe you should stop trying to prevent women from being able to get birth control covered by health insurance
 
The fetus develops over time Nuk. The first trimester is the medically accepted cut off for abortions except for extreme circumstances.

I dont want women to get abortions. I'm not going into ghettos advocating for them as some kind of social solution. But if a woman says that she wants or needs one, then how can I claim the authority to tell her she can't?

If you're so opposed to abortion maybe you should stop trying to prevent women from being able to get birth control covered by health insurance
Still can't answer the question. Typical.
 
Orgies... Virgins... Rape... Sounds a lot like the Catholic church...
 
A fetus doesn't develop a functioning nervous system until 16-20 weeks into the pregnancy. It is in no way a sentient or conscious human being. A pregnant woman on the other hand is very much a conscious human being
 
A fetus doesn't develop a functioning nervous system until 16-20 weeks into the pregnancy. It is in no way a sentient or conscious human being. A pregnant woman on the other hand is very much a conscious human being

It's heart is beating. End of story. And BTW, Christianity is far from a "cult". Until you have experienced the peace that only Christ can bring I don't expect you to get it. Keep believing in man and your little brain and see where that gets you. Christianity is all about faith. I really am sorry you don't believe but as long as your heart is beating there is always hope for you.
 
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So I assume yo'ure against hunting for sport? Those animals have beating hearts too...
 
It's heart is beating. End of story. And BTW, Christianity is far from a "cult". Until you have experienced the peace that only Christ can bring I don't expect you to get it. Keep believing in man and your little brain and see where that gets you. Christianity is all about faith. I really am sorry you don't believe but as long as your heart is beating there is always hope for you.

Literally the definition of a cult...

cult: noun: a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.
 
It's heart is beating. End of story. And BTW, Christianity is far from a "cult". Until you have experienced the peace that only Christ can bring I don't expect you to get it. Keep believing in man and your little brain and see where that gets you. Christianity is all about faith. I really am sorry you don't believe but as long as your heart is beating there is always hope for you.

Yeah that's the problem. I'm just not capable of convincing myself something is true, just because I want it to be.
 
It's heart is beating. End of story. And BTW, Christianity is far from a "cult". Until you have experienced the peace that only Christ can bring I don't expect you to get it. Keep believing in man and your little brain and see where that gets you. Christianity is all about faith. I really am sorry you don't believe but as long as your heart is beating there is always hope for you.
I would add there is no way the heart can be beating at that point unless the baby has a nervous system. 'boy is lying.
 
Right. Kinda funny how they pay around 40% of the tax burden, while also taking 99% of all new wealth. Seems a little disproportional

Also, its kinda funny how you trashed NBC in the other thread and then shared a busted link from NBC as part of your argument here. lol that's just pathetic Nukey


You should really step away from the kool aid. Fact challenged and believing everything Rachel Maddow tells you is no way to go thru life.
The top 1% earns about 19% of the income, and add that to the 40% of taxes they pay, and if you could do your maths you would easily see that they earn much less of a percentage of the money than they pay in taxes.
19% of the income- 40% of the taxes.
 
You should really step away from the kool aid. Fact challenged and believing everything Rachel Maddow tells you is no way to go thru life.
The top 1% earns about 19% of the income, and add that to the 40% of taxes they pay, and if you could do your maths you would easily see that they earn much less of a percentage of the money than they pay in taxes.
19% of the income- 40% of the taxes.

Maybe you should learn how to read. New wealth, and income are actually two entirely different things. If you're actually dumb enough to be convinced fat cats should be paying <10% income tax then that's your problem. I'm not going to fall for that crap. 400 Americans have as much as wealth as the bottom 150 million. That's disgusting and unacceptable. This country still managed to create plenty of jobs when the effective marginal tax rate was over 90% so I'm tired of hearing the job creation argument. It's ridiculous to give rich people tax breaks when the middle class is slowly getting gutted. The only reason the tax rate for rich people is so high is because they write the tax code, and every other law for that matter. It's disgusting. If you think you still live in a democratic republic you are sadly mistaken.

This country isn't headed for Socialism. It's headed for plutocratic oligarchy.
 
You should really step away from the kool aid. Fact challenged and believing everything Rachel Maddow tells you is no way to go thru life.
The top 1% earns about 19% of the income, and add that to the 40% of taxes they pay, and if you could do your maths you would easily see that they earn much less of a percentage of the money than they pay in taxes.
19% of the income- 40% of the taxes.
'boy was fact-checked when he came peddling that crap before, he's still lost in 'boy-land.
 
But, atheism isn't a cult... right!

Everyone is an atheist. Some people just take it one god further. This is the sad truth religious people can never see. You would laughingly deny the existence of Zeus or Thor or the flying spaghetti monster but you somehow think that YOUR god is somehow different than all the other ones. Atheism isn't a positive belief system. It isn't an ideology. It has no context, it doesn't actually exist except in the relative sense.

Calling Atheism a belief is like calling abstinence a sex position. Calling atheism a cult is just plain ignorant.
 
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Maybe you should learn how to read. New wealth, and income are actually two entirely different things. If you're actually dumb enough to be convinced fat cats should be paying <10% income tax then that's your problem. I'm not going to fall for that crap. 400 Americans have as much as wealth as the bottom 150 million. That's disgusting and unacceptable. This country still managed to create plenty of jobs when the effective marginal tax rate was over 90% so I'm tired of hearing the job creation argument. It's ridiculous to give rich people tax breaks when the middle class is slowly getting gutted. The only reason the tax rate for rich people is so high is because they write the tax code, and every other law for that matter. It's disgusting. If you think you still live in a democratic republic you are sadly mistaken.

This country isn't headed for Socialism. It's headed for plutocratic oligarchy.

What a pantload that is. New wealth that comes from investing previously earned money is 100% irrelevant to the discussion, Quit trying to muddy the water with your utopian drivel. Who said they should be paying less than 10% NO ONE. Please try to keep up if its not too complex for you. You are guaranteed equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome.

Here's a hint- if you want more income, get off your whining azz and earn it. If you weren't bereft of common sense, you may be a bit more employable. Work on it, or not, but quit your crying. That's what is disgusting and unacceptable.
 
What a pantload that is. New wealth that comes from investing previously earned money is 100% irrelevant to the discussion, Quit trying to muddy the water with your utopian drivel. Who said they should be paying less than 10% NO ONE. Please try to keep up if its not too complex for you. You are guaranteed equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome.

Here's a hint- if you want more income, get off your whining azz and earn it. If you weren't bereft of common sense, you may be a bit more employable. Work on it, or not, but quit your crying. That's what is disgusting and unacceptable.

And what kind of tax rate do you think they're paying now? You don't want them paying less than ten percent, YET THEY ALREADY ARE. And at the same time you try to argue that income inequality isn't really an issue... LOL.

If you really think there is equality of opportunity in this country you should just crawl back under your rock.
 
Everyone is an atheist. Some people just take it one god further. This is the sad truth religious people can never see. You would laughingly deny the existence of Zues or Thor or the flying spaghetti monster but you somehow think that YOUR god is somehow different than all the other ones. Atheism isn't a positive belief system. It isn't an ideology. It has no context, it doesn't actually exist except in the relative sense.

Calling Atheism a belief is like calling abstinence a sex position. Calling atheism a cult is just plain ignorant.
Aside from misspelling Zeus, the boy just made an impervious response. Concise, lucid and true.

I'm an agnostic, if we're picking labels. It is interesting how people 1) separate themselves from God 2) make God so much like themselves and 3) presume there are different Gods. Somehow, the God of Jews and Christians are the same God, but not for Muslims... or Buddhists, or Hindus. I've always sort of thought hat true atheists were evolved people that didn't need an Avatar to make them feel compelled to be a civil human being. But, I also believe that anti-theists are depriving themselves of the Higher Consciousness (God). But, I can only speculate because... I'm not them and they're not me. A lot of religious zealots lack any kind of humility. Then again, a lot of atheists and anti-theists show little humility in the direction of people who are religious. There are a lot more benign religious people than there are overt, prejudiced ones.
 
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Aside from misspelling Zeus, the boy just made an impervious response. Concise, lucid and true.

I'm an agnostic, if we're picking labels. It is interesting how people 1) separate themselves from God 2) make God so much like themselves and 3) presume there are different Gods. Somehow, the God of Jews and Christians are the same God, but not for Muslims... or Buddhists, or Hindus. I've always sort of thought hat true atheists were evolved people that didn't need an Avatar to make them feel compelled to be a civil human being. But, I also believe that anti-theists are depriving themselves of the Higher Consciousness (God). But, I can only speculate because... I'm not them and they're not me. A lot of religious zealots lack any kind of humility.

Yikes. Corrected
 
And what kind of tax rate do you think they're paying now? You don't want them paying less than ten percent, YET THEY ALREADY ARE. And at the same time you try to argue that income inequality isn't really an issue... LOL.

If you really think there is equality of opportunity in this country you should just crawl back under your rock.

Not going to continue to argue with idiots that make things up and ignore reality. I give you facts, you contribute less than nothing.
 
This country isn't headed for Socialism. It's headed for plutocratic oligarchy.

Headed?? We've been in the latter for... decades, at least.

I'd say the place ceased to be a true Republic, in the original sense, in 1861 (whatever was left of it at that point). It became "The United States IS..." instead of "are." After the Civil War, it moved quickly in the direction of an oligarchy/plutocracy, whichever you like. And, you can bet your balls-to-a-barn-dance that status is not changing. That's the saddest part. It's really a sad statistic that the general population of this country can be duped in so many ways at the same time, while they think that they're affecting the outcome! And, of course, they argue with each other over which of their respective sides is ruining the place faster. It's never about which one is improving it. Having been around partisans of both sides, it's really tough to measure which is worse.
 
Everyone is an atheist. Some people just take it one god further. This is the sad truth religious people can never see. You would laughingly deny the existence of Zeus or Thor or the flying spaghetti monster but you somehow think that YOUR god is somehow different than all the other ones. Atheism isn't a positive belief system. It isn't an ideology. It has no context, it doesn't actually exist except in the relative sense.

Calling Atheism a belief is like calling abstinence a sex position. Calling atheism a cult is just plain ignorant.
Dude, whether you realize it or not, it takes more faith and zeal to be an atheist than it does to profess faith in God. If you regard Christianity as a cult, then you must lump yourself into that same category. You're a cultist... on steroids.
 
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