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[tarheel0910]

It does beg the question of who are some of y'all pulling for: Carolina Basketball or a program that runs Dean's "system."

I.E. would some of you stop supporting / following / rooting for Carolina hoops if we hired a guy from outside of the Dean coaching tree?

I don't understand why it has to be mutually exclusive. Dean and Roy have some differences, so why couldn't we get a coach that is outside of the Dean tree that still runs a similar system? Personally I don't really care what type of system we run as long as it's working.

 

[Archer2]

It does beg the question of who are some of y'all pulling for: Carolina Basketball or a program that runs Dean's "system."

I.E. would some of you stop supporting / following / rooting for Carolina hoops if we hired a guy from outside of the Dean coaching tree?

Two of the more ridiculous questions you will ever see on a message board. Congratulations. To answer your ridiculous, argumentative questions, Carolina Basketball and no. There, that was easy.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

I don't understand why it has to be mutually exclusive. Dean and Roy have some differences, so why couldn't we get a coach that is outside of the Dean tree that still runs a similar system? Personally I don't really care what type of system we run as long as it's working.

Two of the more ridiculous questions you will ever see on a message board. Congratulations. To answer your ridiculous, argumentative questions, Carolina Basketball and no. There, that was easy.

It was a tongue-in-cheek question, but based on some poasters here who refuse to even consider the possibility of us going "outside the family," it does make you wonder.

I wouldn't care if we ran the most boring system imaginable... if it works and we win.

 

[Archer2]

It was a tongue-in-cheek question, but based on some poasters here who refuse to even consider the possibility of us going "outside the family," it does make you wonder.

I wouldn't care if we ran the most boring system imaginable... if it works and we win.

I'm not hung up on staying inside the family. I would hope that we'd run a system with some of the same basic principles, ie: family environment, high graduation rates, uptempo style, etc...

For example, as good a coach as Bennett is and as much success as he's had, I would hate to see UNC running that methodical, plodding style.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

If someone from within the Family is the best candidate to take the reins once available, that's awesome. Even if there's a close competition for the job and one of the candidates is from the Family and runs the System, then by all means give it to that guy.

But that person isn't out there now, and it doesn't look like they will be out there by the time they're needed (although who knows what'll happen between now and then). In that case, it'll be the end of "Carolina Basketball" as we currently know it. But if my choices are to have that due to the new coach running a different system but still winning at a consistent clip, or the new coach running the same exact Dean system but not having UNC be an upper echelon member of the ACC and making deep tournament runs regularly - I'm taking the former 100 times out of 100.

 

[carolinablue34]

^Common sense would dictate that.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

I'm not hung up on staying inside the family. I would hope that we'd run a system with some of the same basic principles, ie: family environment, high graduation rates, uptempo style, etc...

For example, as good a coach as Bennett is and as much success as he's had, I would hate to see UNC running that methodical, plodding style.

Okay, so you do put a premium on our "attractiveness" of play. I don't agree with that but I understand it. I'd take a coach who ran nothing but the Princeton offense... if they win. That's just my preference though.

You see this argument a lot in soccer. Coaches who employ a "boring" style of play, that still grinds out wins, get criticized for playing an ugly brand of soccer; whereas, coaches who employ a wide-open attacking style, that can result in wins but also results in bad losses, get praised for playing attractive soccer. To me, winning is the most attractive style of play by far.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

Okay, so you do put a premium on our "attractiveness" of play. I don't agree with that but I understand it. I'd take a coach who ran nothing but the Princeton offense... if they win. That's just my preference though.

All else equal I'd rather see a "run and gun" style of aggressive offensive basketball as opposed to the Bennett style that UVA is currently using. It's more exciting to watch. But if that plodding style would make us advance even one round farther in the Dance, I'd prefer that.

You see this argument a lot in soccer. Coaches who employ a "boring" style of play

I didn't know there was any other style for soccer.

 

[Archer2]

All else equal I'd rather see a "run and gun" style of aggressive offensive basketball as opposed to the Bennett style that UVA is currently using. It's more exciting to watch. But if that plodding style would make us advance even one round farther in the Dance, I'd prefer that.

That's just the point. Kids don't want to play that plodding style. They want to play a more uptempo style that will enable them to showcase their skills and which will translate more readily to the NBA style, which is anything but plodding. We may have one of the more uptempo coaches in the country but teams like KU/UK/dook/UCLA/UofL etc... all play at a fast pace. Not only is it more enjoyable for the fans, it's more enjoyable for the players as well.

 

[RP12]

For me it's part system and part family. Right now our coach is 3 degrees of separation from the guy that invented the game. If our next long term coach can't relate lessons (with some direct knowledge) from either DES or Roy we will surely have lost some of what makes Carolina special.

There are so few sure fire homerun candidates that we'd likely be taking a chance either way, so give me a guy related to one of our greats, who're both in the top 10 of their job in history.

 

[DSouthr]

That's just the point. Kids don't want to play that plodding style. They want to play a more uptempo style that will enable them to showcase their skills and which will translate more readily to the NBA style, which is anything but plodding. We may have one of the more uptempo coaches in the country but teams like KU/UK/dook/UCLA/UofL etc... all play at a fast pace. Not only is it more enjoyable for the fans, it's more enjoyable for the players as well.

First, want to say, Bennett is a great young coach, one of the best young coaches in the college game with his ability to teach his defense to newer members of his team and have them thrive in it quickly. He is kind of a plug and play guy and that gives his teams a degree of consistency. But his players will get the "system player" tag and his preferred style of play does tend to make for a ugly game. The bigger talents are not going to see his preferred style of play as a selling point. Point is his teams will win but talent is always going to be a limitation for them.

Players prefer the more wide open style of play, the higher tempo, high octane power offense, one of the reasons Roy prefers it. When Roy does step down I do hope the guy that replaces him features the more wide open offensive attack like we run now. I do hope it is a guy with UNC roots but if there isn't a guy like that ready then going outside is fine but I would want it to be a guy that maintains traditions we have come to love.

Just because a guy comes from either the Dean or Roy tree does not mean he will maintain our traditions, Matt pissed a lot of folks off in that respect. I don't want it to be a close the door on the old and from now on we do it this way, I do want continuety from the past to the present moving to the future. That is of course easier with a guy with Tar Heel roots but it would have to be a guy ready for this pressure cooker gig and that is harder to find that most realize. I do think King and Haas may both be ready by the time a search is needed, I think I would prefer King because he seems to have a team that has fun and works hard. A coach that injects the fun to his team is important and players tend to really love a coach like that.

 

[Archer2]

I agree David, on most counts. I believe Bennett's style of play would limit his ability to recruit at the level to which we've become accustomed, even if he were our coach. The top kids just don't want to play that plodding style because it doesn't allow them to showcase their skills to the fullest extent.

I'm not ruling Hubert out as Roy's successor 6 or 7 years from now.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

For me it's part system and part family. Right now our coach is 3 degrees of separation from the guy that invented the game. If our next long term coach can't relate lessons (with some direct knowledge) from either DES or Roy we will surely have lost some of what makes Carolina special.

There are so few sure fire homerun candidates that we'd likely be taking a chance either way, so give me a guy related to one of our greats, who're both in the top 10 of their job in history.

See, I just don't agree with this. To me, Carolina Basketball is special for one reason: It's UNC. Whether we are playing the Princeton offense, Four Corners, fast-tempo, what have you, Carolina basketball will always be special to me because it's UNC.. it's the Carolina Blue.

I guess what I'm saying is, to me, NO ONE is bigger than the program. Not Roy. Not Dean. Not MJ. Not anyone. Hell, if in a crazy turn of events, we somehow hired Rick Barnes, I'd still love Carolina Basketball just as much. I guess I'm failing to understand the diehard devotion to the "system."

It's not like if we hire someone from outside the Dean Smith coaching tree, he's gonna come in here and change our colors to orange and pink or something outlandish.

 

[RP12]

For many of us (I believe) the way that Dean and Roy went/go about things is more important than the colors or the name on the jersey. If we hired K I would no longer be a Carolina basketball fan. It's not a criticism of you for disagreeing, but if the focus isn't on the people and the lessons I'm not sure how it's different than any other fanbase or program.

 

[Archer2]

For many of us (I believe) the way that Dean and Roy went/go about things is more important than the colors or the name on the jersey. If we hired K I would no longer be a Carolina basketball fan. It's not a criticism of you for disagreeing, but if the focus isn't on the people and the lessons I'm not sure how it's different than any other fanbase or program.

Very succinctly describes my feelings to a tee.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

For many of us (I believe) the way that Dean and Roy went/go about things is more important than the colors or the name on the jersey. If we hired K I would no longer be a Carolina basketball fan. It's not a criticism of you for disagreeing, but if the focus isn't on the people and the lessons I'm not sure how it's different than any other fanbase or program.

Well I don't really like your method of fanhood then, no offense. I ride with Carolina, and always will, because it's where I went to school. I don't care who we hire, I'll still love Carolina hoops because it's Carolina.

 

[Archer2]

Well I don't really like your method of fanhood then, no offense. I ride with Carolina, and always will, because it's where I went to school. I don't care who we hire, I'll still love Carolina hoops because it's Carolina.

That's blind allegiance. I don't even give that to my country, let alone UNC. And I'm a huge proponent of both. Blind allegiance to Germany led to the rise of Nazism. It is very dangerous, in any arena. And yes, I realize that's an extreme example.

I would still love UNC if they hired Krazywhiskey. But I would have a very hard time rooting for the basketball team.

 

[JuleZ '02 HEEL]

Argument over. Because Nazis.

 

[Archer2]

Thank you, JuleZ.

 

[tarheel0910]

I have a question for all of you who say that we must have a "family guy" take over. What if we could find some happy medium by hiring the best coach available, but still have "family guys" on staff? For example, if by some chance we were able to pull off a hire like Brad Stevens would you be ok with that if he wanted Sean and Hubert to stay on as assistant coaches?

 

[Archer2]

I have a question for all of you who say that we must have a "family guy" take over. What if we could find some happy medium by hiring the best coach available, but still have "family guys" on staff? For example, if by some chance we were able to pull off a hire like Brad Stevens would you be ok with that if he wanted Sean and Hubert to stay on as assistant coaches?

I'm not one who says it "must be a UNC guy". But in answer to your question, I'd be very happy with that staff.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

That's blind allegiance. I don't even give that to my country, let alone UNC. And I'm a huge proponent of both. Blind allegiance to Germany led to the rise of Nazism. It is very dangerous, in any arena. And yes, I realize that's an extreme example.

I would still love UNC if they hired Krazywhiskey. But I would have a very hard time rooting for the basketball team.

Argument over. Because Nazis.

Yeah, not sure how I can argue with that jump-the-shark argument lol.

Carolina hoops going outside the family :: Germany following the Nazi party.

Got it!!

 

[Archer2]

Glad you were able to connect the dots.

 

[Archer2]

Gonna post this here for no particular reason, except that I just came across it and liked it.