Stats and stuff (Louisville game)...

[Archer2]

I am not sure how much leadership he brings. Maybe he does bring a lot. But this is a team that has been plagued by people not on track.

Tokoto, Johnson... questionably Meeks.

I mean, if you are constantly strugglung with consistency, motor, and minds straight... how good is the leadership?

I mean, Paige was an excellent Sophmore. A good Junior.

Right now? An above average senior.


And I hope to god he shuts me up and averages 20 points here on out. But, right now there are games where he is hurting us especially, when we are counting on his outside shot to stop defenses like Louisville's and to clear the lane.

Let me put it this way. No teams right now are scared of paige.

And paige keeos shooting soooo deep shots. Which is fine if you are making. But, if you aren"t why are you shooting 30 foot 3s?

I want him to excel. But, does anyone have him in the top 2 players for UNC right now?

I don't.

I have Johnson Berry... and maybe Paige.


And being overrated isn't saying too much when you are preseason poy over and over. But, he is struggling and we need him to not struggle.

Sorry, but you've lost any shred of credibility you may have possessed with this asinine post. It's as if you're discussing someone else and not the guy who is not only the heartbeat of this team, but one of the finest young men to ever represent our University.

 

[DSouthr]

I am well aware of what I said.

I am not entirely sure if this is accurate, but I think he is now a 2 time pre-season ACC Player of the Year who hasn't made an ACC All-American 1st team in both years. That is a testament to overrated.

He can shoot and play decent defense, but if you take away his shooting which this year pretty effectively has, you just have a decent defensive player.

We really do like to turn on our own, don't we...What an unfortunate thing to read from a Tar Heel fan...

I would hope everyone would understand that no matter who we play, there are 2 guys on our team the defenses will be geared to stopping, those 2 are Brice and the fella the above quoted post backs the bus over. Yeah, Marcus is struggling right now, nothing like jumping on a kid that is down right now. Problem with jumping on a kid when he is down like this is that you eliminate yourself from enjoying his play when he breaks out of this slump. You are now on record calling Marcus an average player, you have put yourself in the position of hoping Marcus does not get past this slump and thus being proven right or his breaking out of this slump and you being proven a fool. Some times it is best to keep crazy notions to one's self.

If you can not appreciate the leadership, the heart and courage Marcus Paige has played with since stepping foot on that campus then sad is the only thing I can offer you.

 

[imajericho]

You guys can argue whatever you want. Preseason ACC POY 2 years running and a third team all acc and maybe an all-acc showing this year.

That is the literal definition of overrated.

He was great as a sophmore and has regressed %wise each year. Hell, he once shot FTs at a 88% clip. Now he is what low 70s? He has taken a step back in %s in every shooting category. And, it's not a slump. It's a gradual decline over the past two years.

I hope he goes on a hot streak, but if I am making or breaking this team on a player, it isn't Paige right now.

I think maybe part of that is he plays better under pressure, and now he isn't pressured to produce as much so he isn't. But, it doesn't change much. Last year he was 1st half and 2nd half paige. This year he seems all 1st half paige.

And, yes, he has shot 30 foot (or damn close to it 3s), and had 1 of them in the UL game if I remember correctly.

 

[imajericho]

And what am I turning on? I want him to excel. I am just saying at some point we need to wake up and realize Paige isn't in a 2 year long slump. He is in a gradual decline.

The numbers support it.

2015-16 UNC 30.1 4.2-10.5 .399 1.8-5.6 .322 2.3-3.1 .735 2.8 3.9 0.4 1.4 1.6 0.9 12.4
2014-15 UNC 33.2 4.5-10.9 .413 2.5-6.3 .395 2.5-2.9 .865 2.9 4.5 0.2 1.7 1.6 1.9 14.1
2013-14 UNC 35.6 5.6-12.8 .440 2.5-6.5 .389 3.8-4.3 .877 3.2 4.2 0.2 1.5 2.0 2.1 17.5


The steals, assists, rebounds, all relatively the same. TOs are down from not being the PG.

But, scoring is down, and %'s down across the board. Besides he slightly shot a better 3 last year than the year before, but it neglects his field goal % was down .27%.

You could have used the foot issue last year, but 2 years running it's time to realize a decline is taking shape and he isn't progressing each year.

 

[mikeirbyusa]

NEVER want you in my corner.........................

 

[imajericho]

NEVER want you in my corner.........................

Guess you don't want Keepinitheel in your corner either.

http://keepingitheel.com/2015/06/30/shot-chart-studies-marcus-paige/

Before this season they noticed his regression and wondered if he would return to form. Obviously he hasn't and this article would further belie his regression if followed up.

Like stating an obvious trust isn't being a bad fan. It's like people saying Meeks is vertically challenged are bad fans.

It is what it is.

Hopefully Paige turns the corner instead of going further backwards.

 

[mikeirbyusa]

Yep, them too then. Don't need "fans" like that. I could understand being down on a lot of guys but Marcus Paige sure as heck ain't one of them.

 

[imajericho]

I like Paige a ton as a person. But we need him to get on track. Jackson too. Otherwise we aren't going to be able to go too far.

 

[Ozheelfan]

I like Paige a ton as a person. But we need him to get on track. Jackson too. Otherwise we aren't going to be able to go too far.

Jericho, I think if you'd said this earlier instead of some of your other posts we would have saved a lot of anger on these boards.

The over rated comment is an easy trap to fall into. It could be argued that Marcus was over rated.... by media types who simply looked at his sophomore year production and expected the same with no consideration for what the rest of the team is doing.

Remember, the major news outlets are following 300+ teams while us fans are following/obsessing over just one team. I'm willing to wager that many posters on this chat have a more in-depth knowledge of the Heels and the team dynamic than plenty of the talking heads on sportcenter/CBS/Sporting News/USA Today etc.

So did Marcus live up to media expectations? No! Has the team done better? Yes!

As fans, it's easy to listen to the mainstream media. We hear them anoint Marcus a pre-season all-everything and then we start to believe it. But that's not what will make the team better.

It could be argued that Marcus, with his willingness to defer to others, has been a fundamentally vital part of the teams improved results in the last two years. The ability for a player to put scoring and other 'stats' to one side and LEAD a team is hard to measure, and hard to over or under rate.

All that said, I agree, Marcus and Justin shooting at a better percentage will make this team virtually untouchable since they've been pretty good with poor shooting lately.

 

[UNC Blue Hup]

I am not sure how much leadership he brings. Maybe he does bring a lot. But this is a team that has been plagued by people not on track.

Tokoto, Johnson... questionably Meeks.

I mean, if you are constantly strugglung with consistency, motor, and minds straight... how good is the leadership?

I mean, Paige was an excellent Sophmore. A good Junior.

Right now? An above average senior.


And I hope to god he shuts me up and averages 20 points here on out. But, right now there are games where he is hurting us especially, when we are counting on his outside shot to stop defenses like Louisville's and to clear the lane.

Let me put it this way. No teams right now are scared of paige.

And paige keeos shooting soooo deep shots. Which is fine if you are making. But, if you aren"t why are you shooting 30 foot 3s?

I want him to excel. But, does anyone have him in the top 2 players for UNC right now?

I don't.

I have Johnson Berry... and maybe Paige.


And being overrated isn't saying too much when you are preseason poy over and over. But, he is struggling and we need him to not struggle.

Fella, Paige is the heart and soul of this team without question..I shake my head to anyone who doesn't agree..he'll break out of this 'slump'..the positive factor is >he'll learn to play with Berry, who's (almost) as good as player and stronger with the ball >it's hard to shoulder the load for 3 years and now accept (and he thankfully does) the help..then get passive because Berry has been great..on top of that shoot through a tough stretch..Relax

 

[Bubspub88]

One last comment and I stop posting anything non-stat related. I will take a team of Marcus Paige's any day. On court and off the kid has shown what college basketball should be.

 

[BillyL]

One last comment and I stop posting anything non-stat related. I will take a team of Marcus Paige's any day. On court and off the kid has shown what college basketball should be.

QFT

 

[DSouthr]

Jericho, I think if you'd said this earlier instead of some of your other posts we would have saved a lot of anger on these boards.

The over rated comment is an easy trap to fall into. It could be argued that Marcus was over rated.... by media types who simply looked at his sophomore year production and expected the same with no consideration for what the rest of the team is doing.

Remember, the major news outlets are following 300+ teams while us fans are following/obsessing over just one team. I'm willing to wager that many posters on this chat have a more in-depth knowledge of the Heels and the team dynamic than plenty of the talking heads on sportcenter/CBS/Sporting News/USA Today etc.

So did Marcus live up to media expectations? No! Has the team done better? Yes!

As fans, it's easy to listen to the mainstream media. We hear them anoint Marcus a pre-season all-everything and then we start to believe it. But that's not what will make the team better.

It could be argued that Marcus, with his willingness to defer to others, has been a fundamentally vital part of the teams improved results in the last two years. The ability for a player to put scoring and other 'stats' to one side and LEAD a team is hard to measure, and hard to over or under rate.

All that said, I agree, Marcus and Justin shooting at a better percentage will make this team virtually untouchable since they've been pretty good with poor shooting lately.

I agree Oz, and will add, opposing coaches sure don't think Marcus is over rated, they still throw junk defenses at him. Case in point, the biggest play in our win against VT, Marcus cuts thru the baseline, 2 defenders follow him and Justin Jackson is left alone to stroll unguarded directly to the basket where Joel hits him with the pass for the easy finish. That team had been so strongly taught to not give Marcus a look that they left Justin wide open. That is just one example of countless that you will see, opposing coaches know Marcus Paige is not over rated, fans should at least know that by now.

 

[imajericho]

Jericho, I think if you'd said this earlier instead of some of your other posts we would have saved a lot of anger on these boards.

The over rated comment is an easy trap to fall into. It could be argued that Marcus was over rated.... by media types who simply looked at his sophomore year production and expected the same with no consideration for what the rest of the team is doing.

Remember, the major news outlets are following 300+ teams while us fans are following/obsessing over just one team. I'm willing to wager that many posters on this chat have a more in-depth knowledge of the Heels and the team dynamic than plenty of the talking heads on sportcenter/CBS/Sporting News/USA Today etc.

So did Marcus live up to media expectations? No! Has the team done better? Yes!

As fans, it's easy to listen to the mainstream media. We hear them anoint Marcus a pre-season all-everything and then we start to believe it. But that's not what will make the team better.

It could be argued that Marcus, with his willingness to defer to others, has been a fundamentally vital part of the teams improved results in the last two years. The ability for a player to put scoring and other 'stats' to one side and LEAD a team is hard to measure, and hard to over or under rate.

All that said, I agree, Marcus and Justin shooting at a better percentage will make this team virtually untouchable since they've been pretty good with poor shooting lately.

Well, I was saying overrated in comparisom to preseason awards to where he ends up in post season awards. Obviously anyone making an all-acc doesn't suck.

But, he is overrated in a sense of best acc player to how he is playing.

 

[Archer2]

Once again, the Doom and Gloomers are all over the board. Perhaps a reality check is in order.

We do not have one surefire NBA player on our team. We have 3-4 who could possibly make the league but all have serious deficiencies. Know what? I couldn't care less because the league means nothing to me. But these guys chose UNC and that's all that matters to me. And that's why I will support them unconditionally.

The team is not exceptionally talented. We have some good players and a couple of very good players but we simply can't beat most teams on skill alone. We have to rely on experience and good fundamentals in order to win. We also need contributions from 6-8 players most nights in order to beat really good teams. IOW, the total must exceed the sum of the parts. We need synergy to thrive. Lately, it's been missing due to subpar play by multiple key players.

I love our kids because they're great kids and represent our University well. But I knew coming into the season that we were not a dominant team, preseason ranking notwithstanding. So we're actually about where I thought we'd be at this point.

I still think our best basketball is ahead of us.

 

[Ozheelfan]

Once again, the Doom and Gloomers are all over the board. Perhaps a reality check is in order.

We do not have one surefire NBA player on our team. We have 3-4 who could possibly make the league but all have serious deficiencies. Know what? I couldn't care less because the league means nothing to me. But these guys chose UNC and that's all that matters to me. And that's why I will support them unconditionally.

The team is not exceptionally talented. We have some good players and a couple of very good players but we simply can't beat most teams on skill alone. We have to rely on experience and good fundamentals in order to win. We also need contributions from 6-8 players most nights in order to beat really good teams. IOW, the total must exceed the sum of the parts. We need synergy to thrive. Lately, it's been missing due to subpar play by multiple key players.

I love our kids because they're great kids and represent our University well. But I knew coming into the season that we were not a dominant team, preseason ranking notwithstanding. So we're actually about where I thought we'd be at this point.

I still think our best basketball is ahead of us.

Yeah arch, I've got a couple of rules:
1. Don't swim at the beach after heavy rain
2. Don't read the posts on here after a loss

I don't swim because the rain washes all the fertilizer/sewage/dog droppings/dirt into the ocean.
Losses have a similar effect around here.

As for your words on the team. You're right, it's a team based on depth of good talent, not outstanding talent. Synergy is the key to The Heels success, but that relies on all players being in Synch and right now they aren't.

 

[mikeirbyusa]

Love to finish the season with a FULL roster for a change.

 

[alabamaheel]

I wasn't a part of this board when we lost our fisrt two acc games, then ended up winning the Natty. After reading all of these posts lately i can only imagine the people committing suicide at that time. LOL Dangit

 

[Archer2]

I wasn't a part of this board when we lost our fisrt two acc games, then ended up winning the Natty. After reading all of these posts lately i can only imagine the people committing suicide at that time. LOL Dangit

The ledges were full.