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the Beginning of the End for Dook basketball

Sounds to me like he's about to re-dedicate his focus to Dook which can't be good for everyone else. I'm sure USA basketball took a lot of his focus away. Scary to think how he can push momentum even harder with 100% focus on Dook and not dealing with USA Basketball. He's left the mark he wanted with USA Basketball that will carry him forward. I don't like the guy but..
 
Tru Blu Tar Heel said:
Don't see him taking it, but Greg Popvich would be the perfect candidate.
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I would love Pop to take over but am hearing that he is considered to old for the job..would be 71 by the 2020 Olympics.....they will be looking for someone younger that would be able to coach for 10-12 years...the articles I have read are saying that they want that continuity!!!
 
dbav said:
Respectfully, this may be stretching it a bit. First, getting kids to the NBA is usually a draw and even your coach recruits NBA level talent. Second, of the 3 freshmen that declared for the draft from last year's team, 1 was considered a OAD during his recruitment (Okafor). Winslow was considered a 2 year player at least and Jones was considered a 3-4 year player. As it turns out, the system used last year allowed those 2 to flourish and get to the NBA earlier than they expected.

This year coming up is the first time I recall K recruiting multiple OAD's in one class (Giles and Tatum). Recently, he's recruited one per class with other guys that have been considered multi-year players (Parker, Rivers, Okafor, Ingram, etc.). Even Irving was not considered a OAD when he was recruited.

To say that we are targeting only OADs is not accurate. Sometimes it just clicks with kids earlier than expected.
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What a load of BS.......
 
ACokeForRoy said:
Sounds to me like he's about to re-dedicate his focus to Dook which can't be good for everyone else. I'm sure USA basketball took a lot of his focus away. Scary to think how he can push momentum even harder with 100% focus on Dook and not dealing with USA Basketball. He's left the mark he wanted with USA Basketball that will carry him forward. I don't like the guy but..
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Agreed. If he feels he wants to focus solely on duke basketball, that spells trouble for us and everyone else. If he can win 2 nattys while moonlighting with USA basketball, think what he can do if he directs 100% of his time to duke. Eeesh.
 
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GACMAN said:
I would love Pop to take over but am hearing that he is considered to old for the job..would be 71 by the 2020 Olympics.....they will be looking for someone younger that would be able to coach for 10-12 years...the articles I have read are saying that they want that continuity!!!
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Probably so and Budenholzer would be the perfect candidate then considering he's a Pop disciple but he probably doesn't have the name recognition that they want. I'd say Kerr or Stevens would give them the perfect mix of name and ability.
 
Sk1310 said:
Because Carter is a big UNC guy. He was waiting for an offer and got one. Plans to visit soon. I feel like Trent Jr keeps talking the team up game but not so much coming from Carter...
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TIME, way to early for ANYONE to be saying a kid is a lock for any program from Carter's class unless that player has already committed. I am not aware that Wendel Carter has committed to duke, please share the link where that has happened?

A year ago the experts would have been shocked if they discovered both Bam and Giles would neither end up at UNC but that is looking to be pretty much the case right now, things change in time. Right now we are dealing with the NCAA cloud but pretty much any and everyone knows by the time the 2017 class begins committing that cloud will have parted. Yeah, I know, the wet dream that dukies and Ky fans go to sleep with is UNC will get scholly reductions and post season bans, not gonna work out like ya dream it will. In TIME you will see that as will the recruits that have been pumped nonsense about us for multiple years now.

Meeks and Hicks will both be gone by the time Wendal makes his college destination known and that means a ton of PT would be there for him to enjoy. WE would have 2 of his AAU mates is we get Bukie to go along with Robinson, guys he knows. All the aspects not to mention we are the team pretty much everyone is touting to be favorite to win this coming NCAAT. Not to mention in his class we already have a dynamic play maker in Jalek Felton coming in, think maybe he may want to play with such a dynamic player?

Duke may in fact lead right now, funny thing happens when you lead way early for a kid but he does not commit early (very doubtful Wendal will commit early) is that the leading team can get stale while others can come in and bring an air of freshness.

And as for Capel, yep, now he has a fine upstanding resume as a coach, duke fans have nothing but love for Capel, Okey fans had a lot of love for him to, howd that work out?

And there is about to be one more problem that duke fans will get to enjoy, rival caches are about to use the K is on his last legs, see, he has already stepped down from USA basketball, will he even be the coach at duke by the time you would get there. Father TIME waits for no one, not even K and rival coaches are about to begin to point that out very clearly, it will be on duke recruits minds.
 
gunslingerdick said:
Agreed. If he feels he wants to focus solely on duke basketball, that spells trouble for us and everyone else. If he can win 2 nattys while moonlighting with USA basketball, think what he can do if he directs 100% of his time to duke. Eeesh.
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Without the extra advantage, make no mistake the advantage has been HUGE, of his being arm in arm with all those star NBA talents, that part of the playing field will even itself up. Take us away from the NCAA cloud that has handicapped us and regain some of our lost ground. K is getting long in the tooth and that is about to become a real issue for their recruiting.
 
Capel's primary job is recruiting, no coaching. He other role is playing "bad cop" for K and can go places with "urban" players where K can't.to get after He will not be K's successor. The next head coach will be someone who has already had "success" as a head coach, which Capel has not.
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Even Capel's shenanigans ain't gonna do him any good with Carter.
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Carter is not coming here. Ain't happening. It will come down to the usual suspects for "franchise" recruits. Duke or KY. We will look good on his resume tho and it will at least keep us on the tongues of these kinds of recruits.
 
GACMAN said:
I would love Pop to take over but am hearing that he is considered to old for the job..would be 71 by the 2020 Olympics.....they will be looking for someone younger that would be able to coach for 10-12 years...the articles I have read are saying that they want that continuity!!!
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I would like for that to happen also. Pop would be the logical choice.
 
DSouthr said:
TIME, way to early for ANYONE to be saying a kid is a lock for any program from Carter's class unless that player has already committed. I am not aware that Wendel Carter has committed to duke, please share the link where that has happened?

A year ago the experts would have been shocked if they discovered both Bam and Giles would neither end up at UNC but that is looking to be pretty much the case right now, things change in time. Right now we are dealing with the NCAA cloud but pretty much any and everyone knows by the time the 2017 class begins committing that cloud will have parted. Yeah, I know, the wet dream that dukies and Ky fans go to sleep with is UNC will get scholly reductions and post season bans, not gonna work out like ya dream it will. In TIME you will see that as will the recruits that have been pumped nonsense about us for multiple years now.

Meeks and Hicks will both be gone by the time Wendal makes his college destination known and that means a ton of PT would be there for him to enjoy. WE would have 2 of his AAU mates is we get Bukie to go along with Robinson, guys he knows. All the aspects not to mention we are the team pretty much everyone is touting to be favorite to win this coming NCAAT. Not to mention in his class we already have a dynamic play maker in Jalek Felton coming in, think maybe he may want to play with such a dynamic player?

Duke may in fact lead right now, funny thing happens when you lead way early for a kid but he does not commit early (very doubtful Wendal will commit early) is that the leading team can get stale while others can come in and bring an air of freshness.

And as for Capel, yep, now he has a fine upstanding resume as a coach, duke fans have nothing but love for Capel, Okey fans had a lot of love for him to, howd that work out?

And there is about to be one more problem that duke fans will get to enjoy, rival caches are about to use the K is on his last legs, see, he has already stepped down from USA basketball, will he even be the coach at duke by the time you would get there. Father TIME waits for no one, not even K and rival coaches are about to begin to point that out very clearly, it will be on duke recruits minds.
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Bringing Capel on board has breathed new life into Duke's program. There's no question what his impact has done to recruiting. Where K could no longer relate to the new "urban" elite recruits, Capel (along with NateDog James) are able to directly relate to these athletes and their families and describe how they were able to integrate as student-athletes themselves into to the Duke basketball world. In addition to selling them the "rockstar" lives they will live with the Duke experience, they can now sell them on having a fathers and big brothers away from home that also look like them, talk like them, and who have had the same experiences as African american student athletes there, as well. They also sell them on how just being attached to the Duke brand will carry them far in the business world even after their basketball lives are over. It's a very powerful sell. I know two kids personally who heard the pitch. One committed and the other would have committed, but their interest waned in the process.

In addition to the recruiting impact, Capel's role also extends to coaching these same athletes, as well. When K is trying to get a point across to a player (or players), he often employs Capel (and to an extent James) to reinforce those points because the can speak the same "language" as these guys and know what buttons to push and can go places K could never go in terms of pushing the envelope to get a point across when disciplining players. Having Chris Collins or Wojo screaming in a player like JWinslow's or JParker's ear just doesn't have the same effect as James or Capel nose to nose, chest to chest chewing your out. One parent described it as K essentially having a John Thompson (of G-Town fame for younger folks) on his staff in Capel in terms of his presence and impact to African american players on the team. In other words, Capel has made Duke very hot/sexy for elite urban players.

With that said, he has been VERY effective as K's sidekick. Playing the "Robin" role has really suited him. However, I just don't think he will have the same impact or effect as a head coach because recruiting is an entirely different ball game than the X's and O's of coaching. Just ask Matt Doherty....
 
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TraBuch said:
Jones was definitely supposed to be a multi year guy. Winslow was more than likely a one and done.
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Tra, as the cliche goes "watch what they do and not what they say". Okafor and Jones had been following each other around like puppies since they were born and Jones was a top 10 player coming out of high school. Jones had no intent in staying more than one year. When you put three of the top recruits in the same line-up do you think they thought Duke was going to have a bad year? They knew Duke was going to have a good year and all 3 would be highlighted along the way. The national championship was icing on the cake, but Jones was leaving anyway after being the point guard on a Top 3 team the entire year.

Who is the better player? Jones or Thornton? Is Thornton one-and done?
 
Steat said:
Tra, as the cliche goes "watch what they do and not what they say". Okafor and Jones had been following each other around like puppies since they were born and Jones was a top 10 player coming out of high school. Jones had no intent in staying more than one year. When you put three of the top recruits in the same line-up do you think they thought Duke was going to have a bad year? They knew Duke was going to have a good year and all 3 would be highlighted along the way. The national championship was icing on the cake, but Jones was leaving anyway after being the point guard on a Top 3 team the entire year.

Who is the better player? Jones or Thornton? Is Thornton one-and done?
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You can say that about Jones after the year he had, but coming into the season, the expectation was two years. His size and strength was thought to be a big liability but that wasn't the case.

Jones is better than Thornton and he's not a one and done. There was even talk during his recruitment that he might redshirt, but that's probably not happening. Unlike Jones, Thornton's gonna have a lot of freshman struggles on offense. Defensively, though, he's a huge upgrade and that's how he'll earn playing time.

Then again, I wasn't expecting Jones to be a one and done and he surpassed my wildest expectations as a freshman. Maybe Thornton does the same thing.
 
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TraBuch said:
You can say that about Jones after the year he had, but coming into the season, the expectation was two years. His size and strength was thought to be a big liability but that wasn't the case.

Jones is better than Thornton and he's not a one and done. There was even talk during his recruitment that he might redshirt, but that's probably not happening. Unlike Jones, Thornton's gonna have a lot of freshman struggles on offense. Defensively, though, he's a huge upgrade and that's how he'll earn playing time.

Then again, I wasn't expecting Jones to be a one and done and he surpassed my wildest expectations as a freshman. Maybe Thornton does the same thing.
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Tra, I can say this about K, he is the only coach that can convince top high school player to sign and redshirt. Betcha he didn't tell Ingram that he was thinking of bringing in Thornton to redshirt when the entire coaching staff met with Ingram at that last meeting at Ingram's home? K told Ingram that he was signing Thornton to be the starting point guard. Of course, K will tell them anything to get them to sign and once they are there it's K's way or the highway. Tra, you guys have me rolling in laughter. Still like ya man....LMFAO
 
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TraBuch said:
You can say that about Jones after the year he had, but coming into the season, the expectation was two years. His size and strength was thought to be a big liability but that wasn't the case.

Jones is better than Thornton and he's not a one and done. There was even talk during his recruitment that he might redshirt, but that's probably not happening. Unlike Jones, Thornton's gonna have a lot of freshman struggles on offense. Defensively, though, he's a huge upgrade and that's how he'll earn playing time.

Then again, I wasn't expecting Jones to be a one and done and he surpassed my wildest expectations as a freshman. Maybe Thornton does the same thing.
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So ya saying one of the 2 highest ranked PGs to come to the college game last season was a shock to be one & done to you? It was Jones & Mudilay that went back & forth for being the #1 ranked PG from that class.
 
DSouthr said:
So ya saying one of the 2 highest ranked PGs to come to the college game last season was a shock to be one & done to you? It was Jones & Mudilay that went back & forth for being the #1 ranked PG from that class.
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Coming into the season I wasn't expecting him to be a one and done. K obviously didn't either since he wasn't really recruiting any 2015 PGs until it became apparent that Jones was playing himself into the NBA.
 
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http://espn.go.com/olympics/basketb...-step-coach-usa-basketball-2016-olympic-games


LONG OVERDUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Vader is stepping down and I see this as the first indication that even this guy is gonna step down from dook sooner rather than later. He is simply tiring out...soon dookies he will step down from all coaching and the collapse will ensue. Counting the days till you jerks get what i
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Word is he wants 100% of time with Duke BB/rumor out for a while...dream on not good news
keysersosay#1 said:
http://espn.go.com/olympics/basketb...-step-coach-usa-basketball-2016-olympic-games


LONG OVERDUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Vader is stepping down and I see this as the first indication that even this guy is gonna step down from dook sooner rather than later. He is simply tiring out...soon dookies he will step down from all coaching and the collapse will ensue. Counting the days till you jerks get what is coming to you./
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keysersosay#1 said:
http://espn.go.com/olympics/basketb...-step-coach-usa-basketball-2016-olympic-games


LONG OVERDUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Vader is stepping down and I see this as the first indication that even this guy is gonna step down from dook sooner rather than later. He is simply tiring out...soon dookies he will step down from all coaching and the collapse will ensue. Counting the days till you jerks get what i
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Word is he wants 100% of time with Duke BB/rumor out for a while...dream on not good news
keysersosay#1 said:
http://espn.go.com/olympics/basketb...-step-coach-usa-basketball-2016-olympic-games


LONG OVERDUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Vader is stepping down and I see this as the first indication that even this guy is gonna step down from dook sooner rather than later. He is simply tiring out...soon dookies he will step down from all coaching and the collapse will ensue. Counting the days till you jerks get what is coming to you./
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TraBuch said:
Coming into the season I wasn't expecting him to be a one and done. K obviously didn't either since he wasn't really recruiting any 2015 PGs until it became apparent that Jones was playing himself into the NBA.
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Wait now, hold on, did you just say that K didn't recruit over Jones until he recruited over Jones? WoW LOL
 
Things happen and even this creep is getting old you doochies KNOW that your program will take a massive hit when he leaves. Keep kidding your selves that nothing will change .We went thru this years ago when Coach Smith left, and you will suffer big time and we,( along with the rest of the sporting world) will be loving it.
 
Oh, so K didn't recruit Thorton at all until the last NCAAT was over? Now come on man, he had been recruiting Thorton and more so he was already working to get him to reclassify to be eligible this coming season. So again, K didn't recruit over Jones until he recruited over Jones? LOL
 
He was recruiting him for 2016 and once K figured that Jones was playing himself into the draft, they talkyd about reclassifying. I know nothing I say will convince you otherwise, so I don't even know why I bother to try, but K didn't talk to him about reclassifying to 2015 until it became evident Jones was gone.
 
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When K retires one the biggest changing you're going to see is how the refs interact with the new coach...the Duke sideline won't have as much influence in that aspect of the game. Kids will still go to Duke, just like when UNC transition between it's legends. The Heels will continue to rules the College Basketball Landscape regardless, what they do don't matter.
 
hoodfishing1 said:
When K retires one the biggest changing you're going to see is how the refs interact with the new coach...the Duke sideline won't have as much influence in that aspect of the game. Kids will still go to Duke, just like when UNC transition between it's legends. The Heels will continue to rules the College Basketball Landscape regardless, what they do don't matter.
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^^^This... His presence/impact to the zebras is worth an 8-10 point swing in games when he coaches. The guys in stripes get just as much exposure as players in big Duke games and they all want to be invited back to ref the next big game.
 
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K has developed over many years a SYSTEM to get a #1 seed Goes like this... pad your schedule with cupcakes at Derm, Army, Buffalo etc. Then make SURE you do NOT play ANY true road games vs non conference teams. This is CRITICAL Hence the Meadowlands MSG, United center etc are the "road" venues for dook .


Sleazebag has consistently avoided the on campus roadie because he KNOWS his teams stand a MUCH better chance of LOSING the game .... nothing can jeopardize that one seed .....usually the EASIEST of the 4 seeds in the NCAA

Throw in the usual "clock issues" at that hell hole of an arena ... funny how they ALWAYS seem to help dook , as well as the usual ref baiting and abundance of highly favorable calls that has an entire NATION sick of the never ending benefits that dook has gotten over the years from the Zebras, and POOF the system has worked like a charm for thirty plus years.

That SYSTEM goes down the drain when Vader leaves. The next coach... GOD please let it be Caple or Collins or Amaker etc... simply will have NONE of that to tap into and it will take years to develop the intimidation factor that doochies routinely enjoy from the Zebras.
 
topps coach said:
David five years ago u were saying the USA job was taking up so much of his time that he couldn't recruit effectively. Now it is the reason he is so successful. You cannot have it both ways
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And now 5yrs later we see and opposing coaches are acknowledging the HUGE recruiting advantage the gig gives that team coach. Are you suggesting that there is no advantage for a college coach to be the team USA head coach? Are you suggesting that you knew as much 5yrs ago about an advantage the team USA coach would have in recruiting as you do today? My opinions evolve as I garner additional information, people don't change their minds they make new decisions based on new information. Can you appreciate that line, it is a line from Zig Ziegler and a line I bet Joe is fond of! wink wink
 
DSouthr said:
So ya saying one of the 2 highest ranked PGs to come to the college game last season was a shock to be one & done to you? It was Jones & Mudilay that went back & forth for being the #1 ranked PG from that class.
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It was difficult because of his size/and no lockdown defender label to expect Tyus to have been a one and done this past season....he had a great and took advantage of his opportunity...but OAD wasnt expected
 
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Uh David as late as late as last March you were saying that he would not be a first round pick due to his size. The young man made the right choice because his draft position could never improve
On another front now that Roy says that he was recruiting the same OAD players that we got would u be so negative about these players if they went to UNC.
 
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How do you guys think K's age is an issue? Look at the last supper and you'll see K at the table. He's been roaming earth for 100's of years , to quote another who has been roaming the earth for ages "He ain't no ways tired".
 
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How do you guys think K's age is an issue? Look at the last supper and you'll see K at the table. He's been roaming earth for 100's of years , to quote another who has been roaming the earth for ages "He ain't no ways tired".
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