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As a Duke fan, I selfishly want Giles to play. However, if he/his family decide to sit out completely I would understand that 100% and wouldn't blame him. I wish him the best and would rather him sustain a NBA career than playing a handful of games in college. No hard feelings from me if he doesn't play a game in Durham.

I know the party line around here is that K will "force" him to play, but it's simply not true and just fans being fans. The decision will be his, his family, and the doctors. I'm sure Coach K will have some input, but he isn't forcing anybody to anything.
 
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What is lost in this is that Duke can't put 8 on the floor at a time (well, 8 players anyway). If Taytum, Bolden, & Giles are on the floor, 3 others are not. Maybe the hot guy Kennard isn't and they lose by 6. Maybe Jackson isn't on the floor to hit the 2 threes & get the bogus foul call & they never tie it. They are very good, I get that, but acting like those 3 on the court would make the difference is a coin flip. Just depends if the 5 players K has on the floor are the ones that will get the job done. With all that said, I'll be shocked (and very happy) if Duke isn't in the FF.
 
Coach325 said:
The decision will be his, his family, and the doctors. I'm sure Coach K will have some input, but he isn't forcing anybody to anything.
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Really playing with your words there. So you claim he's not going to help make the decision (that's just him, his family, and his doctors) but K is going to have input? So what exactly is he going to input? His feelings on the Panthers this season?

No, he's going to use his input to help make the decision.

I'm not on board with those saying K will "force" him to play, that's just dumb. However, to say that K is not involved in the decision is also dumb.

Neither of which is as dumb as yet another Duke thread on a UNC board.
 
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dadika13 said:
Really playing with your words there. So you claim he's not going to help make the decision (that's just him, his family, and his doctors) but K is going to have input? So what exactly is he going to input? His feelings on the Panthers this season?

No, he's going to use his input to help make the decision.

I'm not on board with those saying K will "force" him to play, that's just dumb. However, to say that K is not involved in the decision is also dumb.

Neither of which is as dumb as yet another Duke thread on a UNC board.
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Thanks for the kind welcome :)........I was stating that I'm sure Coach K will be involved in giving advice of the pros/cons, but when the decision is made it won't be him deciding it. There is certainly a difference between giving your advice/opinion and "forcing" someone to do something. I'm not sure how a coach would "force" a player to play against their will anyway? Hold a gun to their head?
 
Personally, I would rather bash Duke than our fans bashing each other. That happens a lot.

Now, do you really think K-Rat cares about players if they are not helping him win? Look at all the recent transfers. The man forced those players out. He does not have to "force" Giles to play, he can make sure he plays in other ways. Kyrie Irving was OAD and got hurt after a few games. Then he comes back for the last couple of games of the season. If you are OAD and had a major injury, why in the heck would you come back for the last couple of games in the season and jeopardize an NBA career and making millions of dollars? That's outright stupidity! He came back because K-Rat thought he would help lead them to the title. Then compare Amile Jefferson's case last year when K-Rat held him back for a redshirt year because he knew they had no chance to win the title. It has to be killing K that Giles is not playing. If the Duke doctors pronounce Giles fit to play what do you think K-Rat will say? He will tell Giles to play. One thing the doctors cannot guarantee is that Giles will not get hurt again. Giles is not the same player he was 2 years ago before his first knee surgery. Now he has had 3 surgeries. I'm not worried about Giles playing against the Heels. In fact, I'm more worried about Chase Jeter than Giles. Giles at most will be 60-75% of his former self. That makes him an average player.
 
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TPFKAPFS said:
He IS forcing 5* peeps to languish on the bench! so there is that.....
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Steat said:
Personally, I would rather bash Duke than our fans bashing each other. That happens a lot.

Now, do you really think K-Rat cares about players if they are not helping him win? Look at all the recent transfers. The man forced those players out. He does not have to "force" Giles to play, he can make sure he plays in other ways. Kyrie Irving was OAD and got hurt after a few games. Then he comes back for the last couple of games of the season. If you are OAD and had a major injury, why in the heck would you come back for the last couple of games in the season and jeopardize an NBA career and making millions of dollars? That's outright stupidity! He came back because K-Rat thought he would help lead them to the title. Then compare Amile Jefferson's case last year when K-Rat held him back for a redshirt year because he knew they had no chance to win the title. It has to be killing K that Giles is not playing. If the Duke doctors pronounce Giles fit to play what do you think K-Rat will say? He will tell Giles to play. One thing the doctors cannot guarantee is that Giles will not get hurt again. Giles is not the same player he was 2 years ago before his first knee surgery. Now he has had 3 surgeries. I'm not worried about Giles playing against the Heels. In fact, I'm more worried about Chase Jeter than Giles. Giles at most will be 60-75% of his former self. That makes him an average player.
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Kryie helped his draft stock by playing in those three tourney games...it showed he was healed....it was his gamble that paid off for him handsomely...
 
Steat said:
Personally, I would rather bash Duke than our fans bashing each other. That happens a lot.

Now, do you really think K-Rat cares about players if they are not helping him win? Look at all the recent transfers. The man forced those players out. He does not have to "force" Giles to play, he can make sure he plays in other ways. Kyrie Irving was OAD and got hurt after a few games. Then he comes back for the last couple of games of the season. If you are OAD and had a major injury, why in the heck would you come back for the last couple of games in the season and jeopardize an NBA career and making millions of dollars? That's outright stupidity! He came back because K-Rat thought he would help lead them to the title. Then compare Amile Jefferson's case last year when K-Rat held him back for a redshirt year because he knew they had no chance to win the title. It has to be killing K that Giles is not playing. If the Duke doctors pronounce Giles fit to play what do you think K-Rat will say? He will tell Giles to play. One thing the doctors cannot guarantee is that Giles will not get hurt again. Giles is not the same player he was 2 years ago before his first knee surgery. Now he has had 3 surgeries. I'm not worried about Giles playing against the Heels. In fact, I'm more worried about Chase Jeter than Giles. Giles at most will be 60-75% of his former self. That makes him an average player.
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Kyrie certainly has a different take on it.He is quoted as saying K put no pressure on him to come back st all and he considers K a father figure and one of the biggest influences on his life
 
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Kyrie certainly has a different take on it.He is quoted as saying K put no pressure on him to come back st all and he considers K a father figure and one of the biggest influences on his life
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Maybe he has a different view of K if the comeback wasn't successful? What if he got hurt again and wasn't drafted by the Lebron's #1 overall? What if he went like 7 to Sacramento and he's stuck there now? Would K be the lord and savior?

It's always easy to praise someone and say they didn't put pressure on you to come back when the decision works out. Kids usually sing a different tune when it doesn't.
 
BOOGIEMAN1914 said:
Kryie helped his draft stock by playing in those three tourney games...it showed he was healed....it was his gamble that paid off for him handsomely...[/QUOTE
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Kyrie participated in arguably the worst loss in K's history at Duke (The Arizona Massacre). That was the last game he played at Duke and it was an Arizona route. To be honest with you, if Kyrie would have played the entire season Duke probably would have won the the National Championship. Those tourney games had nothing to do with Kyrie's future success in the NBA. Kyrie was going to be a superstar regardless of whether he played another game at Duke. K-Rat played Kyrie because he thought he was the missing piece to winning the title. Ironically, by inserting Kyrie into the line-up destroyed the chemistry and Duke was destroyed by Arizona. Kyrie was going to get his money regardless of whether he played those 3 tourney games. By the way, Kyrie and K don't have the best relationship right now. They had some words at the Olympic practices. A toe injury can't be compared to 3 knee surgeries.[/QUOTE]
 
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Kyrie certainly has a different take on it.He is quoted as saying K put no pressure on him to come back st all and he considers K a father figure and one of the biggest influences on his life
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He played 8-10 games for Duke you are giving K credit for his success? Hindsight is 20/20. I think most people outside Duke fans would come to the conclusion that K was more interested in Kyrie leading them to an NCAA title than Kyrie auditioning for NBA scouts. Kyrie is probably the best NBA player ever to play for Duke. Inserting Kyrie into the line-up and pushing Nolan Smith over to the 2 destroyed the chemistry of the team. That was a total beatdown from Arizona. It was pitiful. Many NBA scouts where in the stands and saw that game. If anything, scouts saw how K mismanaged that game. Kyrie was not at Duke long enough for K to get credit for anything. The only thing he taught him was how to flop.
 
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Kyrie certainly has a different take on it.He is quoted as saying K put no pressure on him to come back st all and he considers K a father figure and one of the biggest influences on his life
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We don't give a rat's arse what you or a former dook player says about your coach. He's the biggest POS there is and only cares about himself so take your comments about your rat back to your own board.
 
Hark_The_Sound_2010 said:
Giles, Bolden, Tatum, and Jeter are all 5 stars. When all are healthy - will all 4 start, or even get starters minutes?
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If all were healthy, Giles and Tatum will definitely start and get starter minutes. Bolden may not because if all are healthy, he will be competing for time with Giles and a 5th year senior - but he will definitely play a lot. If Giles isn't healthy, then yes Bolden starts and gets starter minutes. That leaves Jeter. If you have watched Duke at all you would know that he will not get starter minutes if we are healthy. He would not get starter minutes for UNC either.
 
Hark_The_Sound_2010 said:
Giles, Bolden, Tatum, and Jeter are all 5 stars. When all are healthy - will all 4 start, or even get starters minutes?
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I would imagine Jeter's minutes go way way down. I mean you guys have a thread dedicated to how bad he is on the first page here so I'm not sure why posters would complain about Jeter not getting a lot of minutes in another thread. But regardless they're not healthy so I guess I'm still wondering which 5* player is languishing on the bench right now @TPFKAPFS? You could make an argument that Bolden, Tatum, and Giles are languishing on the bench because they can't play but that's about it.
 
Steat said:
Kyrie participated in arguably the worst loss in K's history at Duke (The Arizona Massacre). That was the last game he played at Duke and it was an Arizona route. To be honest with you, if Kyrie would have played the entire season Duke probably would have won the the National Championship. Those tourney games had nothing to do with Kyrie's future success in the NBA. Kyrie was going to be a superstar regardless of whether he played another game at Duke. K-Rat played Kyrie because he thought he was the missing piece to winning the title. Ironically, by inserting Kyrie into the line-up destroyed the chemistry and Duke was destroyed by Arizona. Kyrie was going to get his money regardless of whether he played those 3 tourney games. By the way, Kyrie and K don't have the best relationship right now. They had some words at the Olympic practices. A toe injury can't be compared to 3 knee surgeries.
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so Kyrie's quoted words mean absolutely nothing...okay.....and worse loss...it was a 16 point defeat, hardly a massacre...Arizona was hitting EVERYTHING..lol........his 8 pre injury and 3 post injury games were stellar....kyrie playing didn't make nolan and kyle have bad shooting nights, but of course that narrative suits .......and words??..really??? that just goes to show the nature and level of there relationship, they were talking junk to eachother
 
dukephysics said:
If all were healthy, Giles and Tatum will definitely start and get starter minutes. Bolden may not because if all are healthy, he will be competing for time with Giles and a 5th year senior - but he will definitely play a lot. If Giles isn't healthy, then yes Bolden starts and gets starter minutes. That leaves Jeter. If you have watched Duke at all you would know that he will not get starter minutes if we are healthy. He would not get starter minutes for UNC either.
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tw3301 said:
I would imagine Jeter's minutes go way way down. I mean you guys have a thread dedicated to how bad he is on the first page here so I'm not sure why posters would complain about Jeter not getting a lot of minutes in another thread. But regardless they're not healthy so I guess I'm still wondering which 5* player is languishing on the bench right now @TPFKAPFS? You could make an argument that Bolden, Tatum, and Giles are languishing on the bench because they can't play but that's about it.
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So by these responses I guess it is Bolden, Tatum, and Giles now - and will be Jeter in the future - that are the 5*s languishing on the bench.

Not that I can blame K for sending Jeter to NCAAB's version of Siberia (past the 1st seat on Duke's bench)... he does suck.
 

so Kyrie's quoted words mean absolutely nothing...okay.....and worse loss...it was a 16 point defeat, hardly a massacre...Arizona was hitting EVERYTHING..lol........his 8 pre injury and 3 post injury games were stellar....kyrie playing didn't make nolan and kyle have bad shooting nights, but of course that narrative suits .......and words??..really??? that just goes to show the nature and level of there relationship, they were talking junk to eachother[/QUOTE]



When you are successful you thank everyone, including the first grade teacher. K had little, if any effect on Kyrie' s NBA career.
 
Steat, I don't think anyone is suggesting that Kyrie is somehow an NBA bust if it weren't for K. But Coach K was a major male influence in Kyrie's life at a time when he moved away from home and was experiencing a major life change. Roughly one year separates high school graduation and being drafted into the NBA. I think those influences matter. I think some people want to discount coaches who only work with players for one year. You brought up the first grade teacher - well I think a lot of folks had a teacher for one or two years that had a major impact on their futures. I think most of these great coaches try to teach a few things. And K continues his relationship with Kyrie now.
I'm quite confident that if I had spent a year around the UNC basketball program as a freshman in college, Roy would have made a difference in my life. To say that K had no effect is choosing to let your biases cloud reason.
 
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dukephysics said:
Steat, I don't think anyone is suggesting that Kyrie is somehow an NBA bust if it weren't for K. But Coach K was a major male influence in Kyrie's life at a time when he moved away from home and was experiencing a major life change. Roughly one year separates high school graduation and being drafted into the NBA. I think those influences matter. I think some people want to discount coaches who only work with players for one year. You brought up the first grade teacher - well I think a lot of folks had a teacher for one or two years that had a major impact on their futures. I think most of these great coaches try to teach a few things. And K continues his relationship with Kyrie now.
I'm quite confident that if I had spent a year around the UNC basketball program as a freshman in college, Roy would have made a difference in my life. To say that K had no effect is choosing to let your biases cloud reason.
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ANY coach with a Top 20 program could have coached Kyrie for his 11 college games and Kyrie would have accomplished the same results in the NBA. That's the point that you can't seem to comprehend. Kyrie is that good and he was going to be a solid NBA player regardless of K being the coach. 11 games? You and I could have coached Kyrie for 11 games and not screwed it up. K thought Kyrie would help lead Duke to another NCAA title. He threw him into the mix and it destroyed the team chemistry in the Arizona game. If Kyrie was an average player, he never would have played those last few games that season. If Amile Jefferson was a superstar player, he would have played at the end of the season last year. It's very hard to get you Duke fans to admit this. K evaluates each situation on how it can better his situation. The same with the Duke transfers. He forces a player out if he has no need for them.
 
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so Kyrie's quoted words mean absolutely nothing...okay.....and worse loss...it was a 16 point defeat, hardly a massacre...Arizona was hitting EVERYTHING..lol........his 8 pre injury and 3 post injury games were stellar....kyrie playing didn't make nolan and kyle have bad shooting nights, but of course that narrative suits .......and words??..really??? that just goes to show the nature and level of there relationship, they were talking junk to eachother
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When you are successful you thank everyone, including the first grade teacher. K had little, if any effect on Kyrie' s NBA career.[/QUOTE]
Remarkable that you have more insight than the people who are directly involved i.e. Kyrie
 
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We don't give a rat's arse what you or a former dook player says about your coach. He's the biggest POS there is and only cares about himself so take your comments about your rat back to your own board.
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My mistake thought this board liked to have conversations with different viewpoints as long as they were done respectfully
 
listen fellow Duke fans, a Carolina poster could die, go to heaven and see K there, and that poster still will believe K is a POS and may even confront God about it.

Sure I went to the extreme but I think the point is made which is probably the most important factor at this point. Iol
 
TRU CANE said:
listen fellow Duke fans, a Carolina poster could die, go to heaven and see K there, and that poster still will believe K is a POS and may even confront God about it.

Sure I went to the extreme but I think the point is made which is probably the most important factor at this point. Iol
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Well, the devil was in heaven early on, so ...
 
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Most dook fans have no higher opinion of UNC than UNC fans have of dook, Tru. UNC posters get the same treatment on your board if they dare to disagree with anything posted there.

dook fans have been almost as obsessed as State fans with our NCAA Investigation, regularly posting ridiculous things about our university and our coaches. So don't get on your high horse when a dook fan gets a hard time over here. It's a UNC board, you should expect it, just as I would expect if I posted on DI.

I have a beer with dook fans regularly. Most are good people but it can get heated when we discuss/watch sports.
 
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I have no qualms about catching heat here.......it's expected. I do try and be respectful and mainly just come to talk about recruiting. I am a "recruiting junkie" and like to hear what opposing fan bases (UNC, UK, etc.) are hearing regarding certain players.

But I'm a coach so I have thick skin to begin with, so a few internet jabs don't really bother me.
 
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