The Elephant in the Room

[RoseHeel]

Our lack of offers.

Our last offer was in December to Josh Nickelberry. And that was only in 2019. Our last offer in 2018 was to Romeo Langford, back in Summer of 2016.

I imagine Roy is biding his offer list, seeing that we'll likely only have 1 open spot by 2018, unless Jalek is OAD or someone else is off scholly. But that's a huge gap for a class that's only once removed from being on campus. These guys are seniors and have already started prioritizing. Our offer list is full of players we're likely not going to land & guys who have fallen quite a bit in the rankings.

Despite all the people saying we're "in contact" with such & such, no offers have been made in quite some time. Meanwhile Dook, UK, and others continue to make grounds with these other guys, despite it being a dead period.

Thoughts?

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

If I'm counting right, we only have 1 more open spot for 2018.

If 247 is to be believed, Jairus Hamilton is headed to NC State. We were listed as leading for him for a very long time, but he never pulled the trigger. Then he got a Duke offer and seemed excited about that. And now, all of a sudden, he has 8 predictions (all yesterday) calling him for State.

We aren't shown as having much chance with any of our other targets in 2018.

What baffles me is that there don't seem to be any offers out to PFs or Cs in either the 2018 or 2019 classes.

I'd like to think that means Roy is really confident that all our freshman bigs will be really good. But even if that's true, surely another top big would be a good idea. And since the odds are against all of them being stars, a top big or 2 would seem to be a priority. Yet no offers.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

When I saw your thread, I was also thinking about an elephant in the room, but a different one.

Who will our bigs practice against?

Usually they have several top, experienced players to learn from.

I can't remember the last time we had raw front line players without serious practice competition and leaders to show them the way.

No, I'm not dissing Luke. I'm sure he'll do his best. But he's not that big, and is still developing himself. He will also suffer by not having Kennedy, Isaiah and Tony to compete against. Brooks, Huffman and Manley will learn some from him, but he's only 1 guy. And what will he learn from them?

I hope we get extended visits from former players this off-season. That could be a lot more important than usual.

Is Sean May in good enough shape to be on the court teaching these guys through direct physical play?

 

[Tom79]

Some of those workouts will be in the pick up games.

As to RoseHeels mention, saw this elsewhere folks like UK, or U of L or those folks 8 miles up 15/501have the shotgun offer everyone since they each have 20+ offers out. Roy has already been in contact with kids like Hurt, Moore and so on, so to say UNC staff have not been in on anyone in the '19 class or extending offers isn't exactly true. Roy and staff have been out shopping, keep the faith, we are UNC.

 

[Spaceytoyz]

Sean May would probably dominate these kids in the paint right now..

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Some of those workouts will be in the pick up games.

As to RoseHeels mention, saw this elsewhere folks like UK, or U of L or those folks 8 miles up 15/501have the shotgun offer everyone since they each have 20+ offers out. Roy has already been in contact with kids like Hurt, Moore and so on, so to say UNC staff have not been in on anyone in the '19 class or extending offers isn't exactly true. Roy and staff have been out shopping, keep the faith, we are UNC.

247 has an interesting breakdown they call "targets." Same page as their commits/offers page, different dropdown selection. I don't know how reliable it is but I assume it means that these are kids we are in contact with or looking at but haven't offered yet. If you look at that list, there are several big guys listed:

001 Marvin Bagley 6'10 190
012 Nazreon Reid 6'9 220
044 David McCormack 6'9 290
175 Ian Steere 6'9 230

There are also a few tallish SFs on that list.

 

[RoseHeel]

If I'm counting right, we only have 1 more open spot for 2018.

If 247 is to be believed, Jairus Hamilton is headed to NC State. We were listed as leading for him for a very long time, but he never pulled the trigger. Then he got a Duke offer and seemed excited about that. And now, all of a sudden, he has 8 predictions (all yesterday) calling him for State.

We aren't shown as having much chance with any of our other targets in 2018.

What baffles me is that there don't seem to be any offers out to PFs or Cs in either the 2018 or 2019 classes.

I'd like to think that means Roy is really confident that all our freshman bigs will be really good. But even if that's true, surely another top big would be a good idea. And since the odds are against all of them being stars, a top big or 2 would seem to be a priority. Yet no offers.

I honestly don't know where the sudden flux of picks to NC State came from. Seeing that it happened not long after Cam Johnson's offer, perhaps that had some type of influence on it, but I can't see that being a deal breaker.

I'm fine with the scarcity of offers in 2018, seeing that we pretty much overstocked ourselves in 2017 with guys who will likely need a few years to get to their peak. Not to mention we only have 1 spot left open. But 2019 is the one I'm perplexed by. It'd be great to have experienced guys in 2017 along with a talented big or 2 in 2019, similar to Bradley.

But we're losing ground with so few offers in 2019. Especially with guys like Baker and Stewart.

 

[RoseHeel]

Some of those workouts will be in the pick up games.

As to RoseHeels mention, saw this elsewhere folks like UK, or U of L or those folks 8 miles up 15/501have the shotgun offer everyone since they each have 20+ offers out. Roy has already been in contact with kids like Hurt, Moore and so on, so to say UNC staff have not been in on anyone in the '19 class or extending offers isn't exactly true. Roy and staff have been out shopping, keep the faith, we are UNC.

That's another issue: The kids we have offers to are the kids we very often miss on. Hurt and Moore, for example, have been sitting on offers for months. Hurt looks like one of those kids that never leave their home-state. Reminds me of Henry Ellenson in 2015.

Moore is yet another kid who grew up a dook fan who Roy seems to love. These never work in our favor.

Not to mention Zion and Romeo. Those speak for themselves.

 

[BillyL]

I H8 elephant threads . . before ya know it, the whole dayum herd will be over here.


Gotta be a nightmare for the mods . .

 

[gary-7]

Our lack of offers.

Our last offer was in December to Josh Nickelberry. And that was only in 2019. Our last offer in 2018 was to Romeo Langford, back in Summer of 2016.

I imagine Roy is biding his offer list, seeing that we'll likely only have 1 open spot by 2018, unless Jalek is OAD or someone else is off scholly. But that's a huge gap for a class that's only once removed from being on campus. These guys are seniors and have already started prioritizing. Our offer list is full of players we're likely not going to land & guys who have fallen quite a bit in the rankings.

Despite all the people saying we're "in contact" with such & such, no offers have been made in quite some time. Meanwhile Dook, UK, and others continue to make grounds with these other guys, despite it being a dead period.

Thoughts?

My thoughts are why are we fretting? Cam means we only have 1 left for 2018 and Roy wants what he wants, which I assume is that coveted Hybrid Forward that Cam gave us only a temporary reprieve on needing.

 

[FlaTarHeel]

Roy has already been in contact with kids like Hurt, Moore and so on, so to say UNC staff have not been in on anyone in the '19 class or extending offers isn't exactly true. Roy and staff have been out shopping, keep the faith, we are UNC.

Don't you just love these internet experts.
Let's just fire RW and company ASAP and do a job search right here, right now.

 

[dadika13]

Don't you just love these internet experts.
Let's just fire RW and company ASAP and do a job search right here, right now.

Seriously...anyone doubting Roy after the past 13 years is just foolish.

We have 1 scholly left and Roy is in great with Langford right now. Why offer anyone else?

 

[gary-7]

Seriously...anyone doubting Roy after the past 13 years is just foolish.

We have 1 scholly left and Roy is in great with Langford right now. Why offer anyone else?

Interesting you say that... and I hope it's true. Still hearing so many disparate things on that one --- from very good shape to not so good. If we are in good shape a guy like Romeo is a definite "take", even though he doesn't play the position of need right now, which is the Hybrid.

But yeah, there's no reason to doubt Roy is doing his due diligence, and I've heard nothing to suggest otherwise. We gonna be ok.

 

[Tom79]

Don't you just love these internet experts.
Let's just fire RW and company ASAP and do a job search right here, right now.

I am no "expert" but I appreciate your compliment. I do know that Roy and staff work as hard or harder than many basketball.

 

[mikeirbyusa]

Relax, Roy's got this.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

Anybody watching him pull the CJ rabbit out of his hat should already know Roy is on top of things!

 

[FlaTarHeel]

ncState just hired an asst coach who may pull in some bigtime recruits.
Stay tuned it could get interesting.

 

[gauchoheel]

Langford seems so talented that he is obviously a take, but I do wonder what we are going to do with all of these wings? I had thought Cam will play 3 this year and Theo 4, but it seems most people seem to have Luke starting at 4. If we're staying with 2 traditional bigs we just don't have spots for all of these guys. 2018 we could have Cam, Kenny, B-Rob, 7th, Leaky, Coby, Langford all for 2 positions! Meanwhile just Jalek at the point, and a senior Luke plus the three young bigs for the final two spots. Seems a bit imbalanced unless we are shifting more to a stretch 4 type.

 

[RoseHeel]

My thoughts are why are we fretting? Cam means we only have 1 left for 2018 and Roy wants what he wants, which I assume is that coveted Hybrid Forward that Cam gave us only a temporary reprieve on needing.

Not so much fretting just more trying to start a discussion. 2019 is the class I'm more interested in at this point.

Don't you just love these internet experts.
Let's just fire RW and company ASAP and do a job search right here, right now.

Almost as much as those folks who love dropping in with snide & sarcastic subliminals any time someone tries to start a discussion on a board designed for just that.

 

[RoseHeel]

Interesting you say that... and I hope it's true. Still hearing so many disparate things on that one --- from very good shape to not so good. If we are in good shape a guy like Romeo is a definite "take", even though he doesn't play the position of need right now, which is the Hybrid.

But yeah, there's no reason to doubt Roy is doing his due diligence, and I've heard nothing to suggest otherwise. We gonna be ok.

Agreed with this. I see zero reason why people believe Langford is so high on UNC. This is the classic archetype of the guy we always miss on. Luckily we're set for the 2G position, so we won't be too hurt when we miss out.

 

[Heeelz46]

it is an intriguing time. We have 3 bigs that all will take up 3 or more than likely 4 yrs of scholarship space.. not a thing we see too often here

obv trust roy but its a different strategy than we see him employ

 

[Heeelz46]

Don't you just love these internet experts.
Let's just fire RW and company ASAP and do a job search right here, right now.

its getting old. The message board is here for these types of discussion. idk why you and others feel the need to post things like this.

 

[RoseHeel]

it is an intriguing time. We have 3 bigs that all will take up 3 or more than likely 4 yrs of scholarship space.. not a thing we see too often here

obv trust roy but its a different strategy than we see him employ

Well, we always complain about those 3 * guys out in the midwest or elsewhere averaging 15+ PPG by their senior seasons. Hopefully one of the guys on our roster will be doing that when they're upperclassmen.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

I am no "expert" but I appreciate your compliment.

Good comeback.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Seriously...anyone doubting Roy after the past 13 years is just foolish.

There you go again. Someone raises a perfectly reasonable concern and you just have to jump in and call them foolish.

What's your problem?

 

[dadika13]

There you go again. Someone raises a perfectly reasonable concern and you just have to jump in and call them foolish.

What's your problem?

Dude...I was agreeing with the poster I quoted.

Relax and start another crap thread instead of stalking my posts.

 

[montana_heel]

I think the difference between our committed front court and say ones that are in the 40 to 80 range may be one aspect of their game.

With that said, in my opinion, Roy must see or believe that they have the foundation for him to get them to the point of what he requires from his frontcourt players.

In a weird way, I am almost comforted that he is not shotgun offering big guys as that is a sign that he feels comfortable with what he has. I could be reading this completely wrong but that is my take.

I like the first come first serve approach but we don't seem to be doing that.

 

[gauchoheel]

Also, I've been reading that Hamilton has been struggling this summer. That plus the fact he's had an offer for months and not committed, I'd guess we're cooling on him? I wonder who becomes the new primary target besides the longshot guys (Langford/Zion). I think we want to fill the last scholarship spot with a bigger guy who can at least play the 4. We don't really need depth, more just a really rock solid guy who can start there for a couple of years after Maye leaves.

 

[Sk1310]

Also, I've been reading that Hamilton has been struggling this summer. That plus the fact he's had an offer for months and not committed, I'd guess we're cooling on him? I wonder who becomes the new primary target besides the longshot guys (Langford/Zion). I think we want to fill the last scholarship spot with a bigger guy who can at least play the 4. We don't really need depth, more just a really rock solid guy who can start there for a couple of years after Maye leaves.

With Cam Johnson on board, a class of:

White
Langford
Black
Steere

Would look really nice. Not even sure if we can fit 4 guys?

 

[gauchoheel]

With Cam Johnson on board, a class of:

White
Langford
Black
Steere

Would look really nice. Not even sure if we can fit 4 guys?

We need someone to leave early to fit 4 in. Between Cam, Felton, and possible unexpected departures I'd bet the odds are better than 50/50 a fourth spot opens up though. My guess is we take one more guy that Roy really likes and will commit in 2017, and then continue pursuing Zion/Langford with the thought that someone likely leaves early. If we can't land the big fish then take a depth guy/transfer with the last spot or give it to a walkon.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Dude...I was agreeing with the poster I quoted.

Relax and start another crap thread instead of stalking my posts.

Dude, look in the mirror.

Relax and stop bashing people who just want to have a conversation.

 

[superstar57]

Joel Berry returning and picking up Cam pretty much makes what once an elephant almost irrelevant. This is why nobody think Huffman,Brooks or Manley will be bad, but just will need a year to get better.

That means 2017-2018 we have a shooters chance at anything, and the next 3 years after we will have experience big men again.

Even though nobody has said it, this thread topic is really about UNC not having OAD big men. You know what you get with a OAD big men? Toney Bradley and no offense, but I'm okay with having maybe a lesser talent that will develop hopefully into a Kennedy Meeks and I get to cheer (and be mad with) for 4 years.

 

[Spaceytoyz]

With Johnson On Board as I have stated before the three bigs as a 3 headed monster just needs to produce a combined 12/10 and that will be fine..

 

[gary-7]

With Johnson On Board as I have stated before the three bigs as a 3 headed monster just needs to produce a combined 12/10 and that will be fine..

If we get a combined double-double out of the 5 position that will be very helpful, and I'd like that rebound # to be bigger than 10.

 

[CJBlue]

I would like an offer to go out to Naz Reid and I. Steere.

 

[CJBlue]

Really like Reid. He likes us as well from what I remember.

 

[Steat]

Manley will surprise many of you. He has more skills than Huffman and all the Heels need at the 5 next season is a space eater. The kid is close to 7" and weights 260 lbs. Also, he is a good free throw shooter having hit 16-16 in game in high school last year.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Manley will surprise many of you. He has more skills than Huffman and all the Heels need at the 5 next season is a space eater. The kid is close to 7" and weights 260 lbs. Also, he is a good free throw shooter having hit 16-16 in game in high school last year.

I sure hope you are right. In the only clip I've seen of him he was way too slow to play in Roy's system. I'm hoping that's just the recovery effect and not how slow he really is.

 

[BillyL]

Manley will surprise many of you. He has more skills than Huffman and all the Heels need at the 5 next season is a space eater. The kid is close to 7" and weights 260 lbs. Also, he is a good free throw shooter having hit 16-16 in game in high school last year.

AND1 . .

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Are there recent clips of Manley?