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This dude is throwing gas on the fire (cultural appropriation speech)

I can't speak for the North and more illustrious PDs like NYPD and shit, but in the South, cops are like teachers and don't make dick.

Ya this is a point I usually bring up. NYPD and other big city PDs (LA, Baltimore, Chicago, etc.) where there is a good amount of crime deserve to be paid well. Those guys literally put their lives on the line when they respond to a call because in those cities a gun fight can break out pretty much whenever - and they should be compensated for that. I grew up in a city (very racially diverse, fairly poor, relatively much more crime than the surrounding areas) about a half hour north of Boston, but went to high school in a small town a few towns over that was like 98% white, half Jewish, affluent and on the older side. The cops there would consider it a busy day if they got a call from Mrs. Goldstein that little Seth got into the manischewitz wine cabinet and was drunk and needed a tongue lashing. So I scoffed at the idea that cops from that town should be paid very well at all - I don't think a gun has been fired in that town for as long as I've been alive.
 
I didn't put you on ignore. I used it on someone else. If I put you on ignore then I wouldn't have anyone to make me sandwiches. ;)

Well damn! I'll get right on that! xoxo
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The cameras let the truth be known, whether that's in the cops favor, or in the public's favor.
Even with cameras the narrative will still be construed that it was the cops fault. They should have recognized that society made the person into a criminal and the cops should have not interfered. It may help in a court of law, but you are going to hear the same old crap outside of the courtroom.

There are a few d-bag cops out there
FIFY
 
I know you guys hate this show... I do most of the time myself but I do like to see what "women" think as they seem to speak for a few that I know...not me though and I do feel like an outcast most of the time when I see this show but... this is the discussion I was referring to
I knew it....you are glued to the telly every afternoon/morning or when ever this show comes on. The truth has set you free.
 
How do the cameras not have anything to do with it? Police officers acting like adversarial pricks and violating the constitutional rights of American citizens, and getting caught on tape is exactly what the issue is. Police brutality is nothing new. And its not surprising that a lot of cops feel like they are under attack, just because they have to play it by the book. They've been used to using these tactics for a long time, and they don't like being called out on it.



Depends on the LEO. Is he going to arrest me for having a joint after I piss on him to put the flames out?



That's cute. Exactly which statement do you disagree with?

1. Police officers shouldn't be afraid of being filmed if they aren't breaking the law.
2. LEO's are not above the law, and therefore should know they will be held accountable if they break the law.
3. If a cop cant do his job by the book, then he isn't a very good cop.

Frankly, if you disagree with any of those statements, then you're an idiot.
Right! The cameras have nothing to do with it and exonerate the LEO's the majority of the time. The problem with LEO's doing their jobs goes back to the "leader of the free world" siding against them in every national case that has occurred in the last couple of years before he has even had a chance to determine the facts. The Harvard case , Travon Martin , The Gentle Giant , he was wrong each time. I think we all know who the idiot is in this discussion. Hint: It's the one who got blocked.
 
I guarantee you that the cameras vindicate more cops that they incriminate. And won't that just be so sad for you.
Narrative= destroyed.

What narrative? Pretty much every every other person in this thread has acknowledged the fact that cameras would solve a lot of problems. I never tried to establish a narrative that every cop was an asshole, but it is a fact that not very many people have the psychological disposition needed to wield power without abusing it. Police officers are pretty much the perfect evidence of that. Cameras would be an equalizer, but apparently you think cops should just be given unlimited power.

Right! The cameras have nothing to do with it and exonerate the LEO's the majority of the time. The problem with LEO's doing their jobs goes back to the "leader of the free world" siding against them in every national case that has occurred in the last couple of years before he has even had a chance to determine the facts. The Harvard case , Travon Martin , The Gentle Giant , he was wrong each time. I think we all know who the idiot is in this discussion. Hint: It's the one who got blocked.

The problem with LEO's not doing their job goes back to the douchebags who abuse their power to do everything from committing illegal searches to getting away with literal murder. If cops weren't getting caught on camera acting like assholes or even psychopaths then the "leader of the free world" wouldn't even have anything to comment on. How exactly was he wrong about Trayvon Martin? The guy who shot him is a well documented racist with a violent criminal history... But yeah Obama was definitely wrong to condemn some psychopathic vigilante murdering a kid for walking down the street. "The gentle giant" was accused of selling cigarettes. He was subsequently put in a naked choke hold until he died. If you think that is appropriate police protocol then you are an idiot. But it isn't hard to spot the trend in your thinking here. All you have to do is look at the skin color of the victims.
 
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All you have to do is look at the skin color of the victims.

Well to be fair, that's because only one particular skin color getting killed by a cop ends up getting blown up into a huge issue that our current President deems worthy of comment. If some cop shot a white kid for walking down the street or selling cigarettes - that wouldn't be deemed worthy of a whole movement and Presidential commentary.
 
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What narrative? Pretty much every every other person in this thread has acknowledged the fact that cameras would solve a lot of problems. I never tried to establish a narrative that every cop was an asshole, but it is a fact that not very many people have the psychological disposition needed to wield power without abusing it. Police officers are pretty much the perfect evidence of that. Cameras would be an equalizer, but apparently you think cops should just be given unlimited power.



The problem with LEO's not doing their job goes back to the douchebags who abuse their power to do everything from committing illegal searches to getting away with literal murder. If cops weren't getting caught on camera acting like assholes or even psychopaths then the "leader of the free world" wouldn't even have anything to comment on. How exactly was he wrong about Trayvon Martin? The guy who shot him is a well documented racist with a violent criminal history... But yeah Obama was definitely wrong to condemn some psychopathic vigilante murdering a kid for walking down the street. "The gentle giant" was accused of selling cigarettes. He was subsequently put in a naked choke hold until he died. If you think that is appropriate police protocol then you are an idiot. But it isn't hard to spot the trend in your thinking here. All you have to do is look at the skin color of the victims.

Zimmerman was a "well documented racist?" More lies from you. He volunteered tutoring young black kids. Martin attacked Zimmerman and tried to kill him.
but don't let the FACTS get in your way.
You're not even smart enough to be having this conversation.
 
Well to be fair, that's because only one particular skin color getting killed by a cop ends up getting blown up into a huge issue that our current President deems worthy of comment. If some cop shot a white kid for walking down the street or selling cigarettes - that wouldn't be deemed worthy of a whole movement and Presidential commentary.
Quite fugging true. White dudes get shot and killed all the time by cops, yet you haven't heard one peep about it because that story doesn't get clicks or eyeballs.
 
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Zimmerman was a "well documented racist?" More lies from you. He volunteered tutoring young black kids. Martin attacked Zimmerman and tried to kill him.
but don't let the FACTS get in your way.
You're not even smart enough to be having this conversation.

Zimmerman may not have been a racist, but after watching that trial, I have no doubt he was the aggressor and had he done what the cops told him and stay in his car and let them check out the situation he called in about, no one would have died. This man has shown exactly the person he is since being acquitted and he has some serious anger issues that have nothing to do with race. An asshole is still an asshole. He just wanted to play cop that night and a young man lost his life because of Zimmerman's stupidity and aggression.
 
The biggest myth in modern society - black victimization.

I don't think it is a myth because there was a time when they were a repressed race, but it is definitely something that they exacerbate now and take complete advantage of, no doubt. We have way too many "victims" these days and very few have a legitimate complaint. It's only getting worse, unfortunately.
 
I don't think it is a myth because there was a time when they were a repressed race, but it is definitely something that they exacerbate now and take complete advantage of, no doubt. We have way too many "victims" these days and very few have a legitimate complaint. It's only getting worse, unfortunately.

Well, when I said modern society I guess I'm talking about the last 30-40 years. And yes, everyone is a victim these days because they have seen how we enable such behavior by entertaining it. Liberals...
 
Well, when I said modern society I guess I'm talking about the last 30-40 years. And yes, everyone is a victim these days because they have seen how we enable such behavior by entertaining it. Liberals...

I get that there are a lot of liberals this way but not all are. That thinking is just as much of a problem as the thinking from the whiny asses who are so dang sensitive.... same thing, different color or whatever. I admit, I am bad to lump all conservatives into the "greedy-asshole" category sometimes but I know some who are not and I know I should not do that. So I suppose we are all entertaining it and feeding into that ideology in some way.

We have somehow created this way of identifying people by a political affiliation, an affiliation of elected officials who really do not give a crap about anyone but themselves and the banks or corporations that pay them to be good puppets to keep everyone in line.
 
I get that there are a lot of liberals this way but not all are. That thinking is just as much of a problem as the thinking from the whiny asses who are so dang sensitive.... same thing, different color or whatever. I admit, I am bad to lump all conservatives into the "greedy-asshole" category sometimes but I know some who are not and I know I should not do that. So I suppose we are all entertaining it and feeding into that ideology in some way.

We have somehow created this way of identifying people by a political affiliation, an affiliation of elected officials who really do not give a crap about anyone but themselves and the banks or corporations that pay them to be good puppets to keep everyone in line.

I don't get the "republicans are greedy" thing. It doesn't make sense to me. Never has. What policies do they back that would enable that to be a heckle on republicans? Democrats are in the pockets of big corps just as much as republicans.

On the other hand, we've seen the liberal policies that enable claimed victimization.
 
I don't get the "republicans are greedy" thing. It doesn't make sense to me. Never has. What policies do they back that would enable that to be a heckle on republicans? Democrats are in the pockets of big corps just as much as republicans.

On the other hand, we've seen the liberal policies that enable claimed victimization.


Well, that started way back in 1997 when they changed from Reagan's tax policies to one that allowed tax cuts for the wealthiest to paying about 40% less and enabled their income to triple over the next few years, then there are all the tax loopholes that have allowed them to hide money in "offshore" accounts and give the corporations huge tax cuts... just for starters.

Yes, both are in the pockets of big corporations, thus, why getting Hillary will not change a damn thing!
 
I have no doubt he was the aggressor
I don't recall there being any evidence showing who the aggressor was. If there was no evidence, I'm not sure how you can say you have no doubt. I didn't read the trial transcript, so I might have missed something.

had he done what the cops told him and stay in his car and let them check out the situation he called in about, no one would have died.
That's true and if he hadn't been overcharged, I think they would have gotten a conviction.
 
I don't recall there being any evidence showing who the aggressor was. If there was no evidence, I'm not sure how you can say you have no doubt.

He was the aggressor because he decided to get out of his truck with a gun and follow the young man. Once the scuffle happened, it is hard to say what actually happened but it is safe to say, had he obeyed his instructions to remain in his vehicle, none of this would have happened.
 
He was the aggressor because he decided to get out of his truck with a gun and follow the young man. Once the scuffle happened, it is hard to say what actually happened but it is safe to say, had he obeyed his instructions to remain in his vehicle, none of this would have happened.
He's the aggressor because he got out of his truck? That makes zero sense. There is nothing that says he jumped in the kid's face once he got out. You can't even say he was rude to him, because nobody saw anything. I think what you are trying to say is in your opinion it's a fact.
 
He's the aggressor because he got out of his truck? That makes zero sense. There is nothing that says he jumped in the kid's face once he got out. You can't even say he was rude to him, because nobody saw anything. I think what you are trying to say is in your opinion it's a fact.

No, I watched the entire trial. When I have time later, I will show you what I am referring to.
 
Zimmerman may not have been a racist, but after watching that trial, I have no doubt he was the aggressor and had he done what the cops told him and stay in his car and let them check out the situation he called in about, no one would have died. This man has shown exactly the person he is since being acquitted and he has some serious anger issues that have nothing to do with race. An asshole is still an asshole. He just wanted to play cop that night and a young man lost his life because of Zimmerman's stupidity and aggression.
You've got to be kidding. These facts are well known, but you bleeding hearts want to keep re-writing them. Just because you make your ridiculous claims does not make them true. Zimmerman was within his rights to do EVERYTHING he did that night. Martin was staking out places to rob. He did not go straight home as he could have. Zimmerman was NOT the aggressor. Martin attacked Zimmerman- the most important fact. The 911 operator is not a cop, and Zimmerman had no compulsion to obey. Zimmerman broke off and went back to his truck. He was attacked by a juvenile delinquent that had gone to the store to buy ingredients for "lean" and had been previously found with stolen jewelry and burglary tools in his backpack, but that jewelry was reported as "lost and found" because more ignorant liberals don't want to report crimes by black kids to make the statistics look better. Zimmerman's only stupidity was losing sight of Martin and allowing the miscreant to get the drop on him. Martin's death can be only blamed on Martin himself. Here's a hint- don't attack people and try to kill them, and maybe they won't shoot you.
 
You've got to be kidding. These facts are well known, but you bleeding hearts want to keep re-writing them. Just because you make your ridiculous claims does not make them true. Zimmerman was within his rights to do EVERYTHING he did that night. Martin was staking out places to rob. He did not go straight home as he could have. Zimmerman was NOT the aggressor. Martin attacked Zimmerman- the most important fact. The 911 operator is not a cop, and Zimmerman had no compulsion to obey. Zimmerman broke off and went back to his truck. He was attacked by a juvenile delinquent that had gone to the store to buy ingredients for "lean" and had been previously found with stolen jewelry and burglary tools in his backpack, but that jewelry was reported as "lost and found" because more ignorant liberals don't want to report crimes by black kids to make the statistics look better. Zimmerman's only stupidity was losing sight of Martin and allowing the miscreant to get the drop on him. Martin's death can be only blamed on Martin himself. Here's a hint- don't attack people and try to kill them, and maybe they won't shoot you.

Wow! It just amazes me how two people (you and I) can watch the very same trial, same evidence, same testimonies and see two different things.
 
What narrative? Pretty much every every other person in this thread has acknowledged the fact that cameras would solve a lot of problems. I never tried to establish a narrative that every cop was an asshole, but it is a fact that not very many people have the psychological disposition needed to wield power without abusing it. Police officers are pretty much the perfect evidence of that. Cameras would be an equalizer, but apparently you think cops should just be given unlimited power.



The problem with LEO's not doing their job goes back to the douchebags who abuse their power to do everything from committing illegal searches to getting away with literal murder. If cops weren't getting caught on camera acting like assholes or even psychopaths then the "leader of the free world" wouldn't even have anything to comment on. How exactly was he wrong about Trayvon Martin? The guy who shot him is a well documented racist with a violent criminal history... But yeah Obama was definitely wrong to condemn some psychopathic vigilante murdering a kid for walking down the street. "The gentle giant" was accused of selling cigarettes. He was subsequently put in a naked choke hold until he died. If you think that is appropriate police protocol then you are an idiot. But it isn't hard to spot the trend in your thinking here. All you have to do is look at the skin color of the victims.
You mean the white hispanic(1st in the world) was a racist? According to who. You obviously don't know who the "Gentle Giant" is hint: Ferguson. As far as the guy in NYC put in a choke hold , well your buddy DeBlazzio was cracking down on his type because the city was missing out on taxes. Wow you are so desperate you have to play the race card. You are even more pathetic than I originally thought.
 
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I don't get the "republicans are greedy" thing. It doesn't make sense to me. Never has. What policies do they back that would enable that to be a heckle on republicans? Democrats are in the pockets of big corps just as much as republicans.

On the other hand, we've seen the liberal policies that enable claimed victimization.
Democrats are in the pockets of big industry and banks much more so than republicans. The Industries and banks love all the regulations that make it just too hard for the smaller entities to compete. The too big to fail banks are bigger than ever.
 
Democrats are in the pockets of big industry and banks much more so than republicans. The Industries and banks love all the regulations that make it just too hard for the smaller entities to compete. The too big to fail banks are bigger than ever.
I'm trying to think of more synonyms for HOPELESS.

I can see now why the "gang" took advantage of you after the title game loss.
 
I'm trying to think of more synonyms for HOPELESS.

I can see now why the "gang" took advantage of you after the title game loss.
Is that right ol' purveyor of love and peace. again unless someone disagrees with you. For the record no one took advantage of peace and I don't need the security of a gang like some do.
 
Is that right ol' purveyor of love and peace. again unless someone disagrees with you. For the record no one took advantage of peace and I don't need the security of a gang like some do.

I think it's your reading AND writing comprehension that is lacking. I'm glad no one took advantage of peace. And, I never even remotely implied that you needed the security of a gang.
 
Zimmerman was a "well documented racist?" More lies from you. He volunteered tutoring young black kids. Martin attacked Zimmerman and tried to kill him.
but don't let the FACTS get in your way.
You're not even smart enough to be having this conversation.

Are you kidding me? The guy had gone on multiple racist and homophobic tirades on social media before the incident. This is all very well documented. You can choose to ignore his racist history just like you choose to ignore your own. Doesn't change the fact that it's still there.
 
I don't get the "republicans are greedy" thing. It doesn't make sense to me. Never has. What policies do they back that would enable that to be a heckle on republicans? Democrats are in the pockets of big corps just as much as republicans.

On the other hand, we've seen the liberal policies that enable claimed victimization.

Oh I don't know maybe it has something to do with cutting taxes for the wealthy, deregulating powerful corporations and financial institutions all while trying defund education and social security. Is that a real question?
 
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