So lucky you...almost sound like you bragging though. Are you bragging? You should be!
Tony Bradley played 9 minutes today
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No idea. I have seen flashes from him, and hes had one game where his shooting stroke has looked like what others have said he possesses. Today his shot looked awkward- poor form and forced. He also seems to not even look at the basket at times when he has a clean look, which is frustrating. He weak side rebounds quite well at times and plays adequate D-But Id be remiss if I said I thought he was a Championship caliber starting 2 guard at this point.
At this point to me he seems more like just a decent contributor-someone who would be nice spelling a more talented player off the bench, and could thrive nicely in that role.
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Great from an observation standpoint, and I tend to agree on everything stated. But I think the bigger concern is why come we can't seem to recruit talented players that also has a high level of passion? Theo has it, and maybe Berry. Kenny doesn't. The kid is an athlete and has plenty of talent, but imo he displays no passion. I'm I wrong here?
I think he gives effort and is adequate. Passion is hard to quantify for sure. It is hard as a unc fan because a 2 guard here is automatically compared to an ellington, a hairston, a bullock, or a mccants. Plug a reggie Bullock into that 2 spot with justin on the other side- its lights out. So I have to be careful when making these comparisons. Kenny is a good player no doubt, but is he championship level?
A nice mix of Kw stroke and Brobs mentality would be nice. lol I like that killer instinct he has and I do believe he could fit in that roll next year. Needs growth.
And btw, I believe Brob does has a good stroke in his own right, but just has to iron it out a little.
Well one of the reason Roy recruited Kenny was because of his ability to knock down the 3ball. So yes I honestly think he can stroke it at a championship level. But to do so he must live in the moment- passion! Shoot the damn ball like he know it's going in, instead of hoping it does. Say what you want about Grayson "Tripp" Allen, but that kid's passion is by far his number one attribute!
All I'm saying is if Kenny added more zing with his zag, and a half cup of Theo every now and then...his over all game would evolve, and perhaps evolve to championship level. But without it, you are correct, he will simply be an average college basketball player.
Live in the moment! Passion!
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I think Berry's injury is affecting his shot right now.
That said, we just lost to GA Tech. Obviously something was not done right, and the one thing easy to point to besides Berry sucking was Bradley playing oddly low minutes.
That said, we just lost to GA Tech. Obviously something was not done right, and the one thing easy to point to besides Berry sucking was Bradley playing oddly low minutes.
As I tap this out, I am trying to recall if there has been a more poorly played game by UNC since Roy has been back as our coach. The only game that I can really that may rival this was an away game vs FSU a few years back but that was a case where FSU just played great, GT did not play great yesterday.
20 freakin TOs to 13 assists, the majority of them coming from lazy poor decision passes. Now I have driven the Joel Berry band wagon from the time we began to recruit him and will continue to but Joel stunk the place up yesterday, by far the worst game in any aspect I have seen from him. I still can't wrap my head around what I watched, Joel had per the box score 6 TOs, I had him for 7 and got lucky on a couple more really poor passes. I mean come on, couldn't even inbound the ball? 7th Woods in 3 min of PT got 2 assists to 1 TO, Joel in 30mins had 6 TOs per the official box score and 1 assist on 3-13 shooting? PITIFUL...
JJ's shot was off, 6-17, when your 2 production leaders go 9-30 and you have 20 TOs to 13 assists AND you get out rebounded, ya not gonna win many games. Now that in itself would normally be bad enough but to turn in that kind of performance against a celler dweller like GT when that opponent didn't play much better than expected, geez, just unacceptable...
Tony only getting 9mins, yeah, I felt he should have got more but the truth is in his 9mins he got 2 rebounds, no points nothing else on the stat sheet. Meeks on the other hand had a quietly solid game, 14 rebounds means he put in work. Luke in 11mins gave us 6pts and 6 rebounds, a block and a steal to go with his 2 TOs. Luke produced a heck of a lot more than tony with only a 2 min differential in PT, fuss all ya want but that is the fact from the stat sheet.
At least Nate came to play like he belongs on a NCAAT title contending team. Roy didn't have his team prepared to play this game, that can not be argued to the counter by anyone watching it. Kind of amazing, of all that can and may be discussed about that game what do we see fussed about, the auto responder reply of Roy didn't call his time outs? It really doesn't matter what happened in that game, it is as if so many can not look at any other factor in a game other than how many time outs Roy has left after a game? There are times I wish Roy would burn every one of his TOs in the first 2 mins of a game and in the second half just to shut folks up about calling TOs, literally many would have nothing left to talk about...
Talk about the lazy as crap passing, talk about big men not keeping the ball high so guards will not strip them, talk about your scoring leaders taking bad shots and/or missing the good shots they got, talk about not pounding the ball inside and your big men not setting up strong position for the pass in to them, talk about a extremely ineffective attack of a rather beatable zone defense, talk about throwing all those long in bound passes and nearly having every one of them stolen but enough with the Roy didn't use all his TOs stuff, it is way past old and it in no way describes this game.
One final note, that Okogie kid that torched us yesterday is a freshman 3 star recruit, you know, the kind that can't play in the ACC and that UNC should never recruit...
20 freakin TOs to 13 assists, the majority of them coming from lazy poor decision passes. Now I have driven the Joel Berry band wagon from the time we began to recruit him and will continue to but Joel stunk the place up yesterday, by far the worst game in any aspect I have seen from him. I still can't wrap my head around what I watched, Joel had per the box score 6 TOs, I had him for 7 and got lucky on a couple more really poor passes. I mean come on, couldn't even inbound the ball? 7th Woods in 3 min of PT got 2 assists to 1 TO, Joel in 30mins had 6 TOs per the official box score and 1 assist on 3-13 shooting? PITIFUL...
JJ's shot was off, 6-17, when your 2 production leaders go 9-30 and you have 20 TOs to 13 assists AND you get out rebounded, ya not gonna win many games. Now that in itself would normally be bad enough but to turn in that kind of performance against a celler dweller like GT when that opponent didn't play much better than expected, geez, just unacceptable...
Tony only getting 9mins, yeah, I felt he should have got more but the truth is in his 9mins he got 2 rebounds, no points nothing else on the stat sheet. Meeks on the other hand had a quietly solid game, 14 rebounds means he put in work. Luke in 11mins gave us 6pts and 6 rebounds, a block and a steal to go with his 2 TOs. Luke produced a heck of a lot more than tony with only a 2 min differential in PT, fuss all ya want but that is the fact from the stat sheet.
At least Nate came to play like he belongs on a NCAAT title contending team. Roy didn't have his team prepared to play this game, that can not be argued to the counter by anyone watching it. Kind of amazing, of all that can and may be discussed about that game what do we see fussed about, the auto responder reply of Roy didn't call his time outs? It really doesn't matter what happened in that game, it is as if so many can not look at any other factor in a game other than how many time outs Roy has left after a game? There are times I wish Roy would burn every one of his TOs in the first 2 mins of a game and in the second half just to shut folks up about calling TOs, literally many would have nothing left to talk about...
Talk about the lazy as crap passing, talk about big men not keeping the ball high so guards will not strip them, talk about your scoring leaders taking bad shots and/or missing the good shots they got, talk about not pounding the ball inside and your big men not setting up strong position for the pass in to them, talk about a extremely ineffective attack of a rather beatable zone defense, talk about throwing all those long in bound passes and nearly having every one of them stolen but enough with the Roy didn't use all his TOs stuff, it is way past old and it in no way describes this game.
One final note, that Okogie kid that torched us yesterday is a freshman 3 star recruit, you know, the kind that can't play in the ACC and that UNC should never recruit...
I think it's a confidence thing. As his confidence grows, I think we will start seeing him play with more consistent aggression. He clearly has the heart and athleticism to complete in the ACC.
Ordinarily I completely agree. But yesterday Luke had the motor and did well, whereas Tony looked out of sorts and a bit lost. I wish Tony had been playing at a higher level than Luke, because we needed better play (obviously), but from what I saw, playing Luke made sense - in this game.
I may be alone on this but I thought Ga Tech played a very effective game. Not just because they won but because they kept us off balance throughout most of the game.
I know a lot of our shots didn't go in. Justin's in particular. But we looked like we were forcing our shots a lot, too, so maybe that's part of the reason why they didn't go in at a normal rate.
Here are the ORtg ratings from Pomeroy on the guys who played double digit minutes. 2nd number is their ORtg average for the year. I'm not a big fan of ORtg as a measure, but this game I think it pretty much nails what was wrong. We sucked on offense.
Berry - 49 vs 123.0
Hicks - 76 vs 114.9
Luke - 86 vs 101.3
Kenny - 87 vs 117.6
Justin - 88 vs 126.8
Kennedy - 122 vs 112.9
Nate - 132 vs 98.6
I know a lot of our shots didn't go in. Justin's in particular. But we looked like we were forcing our shots a lot, too, so maybe that's part of the reason why they didn't go in at a normal rate.
Here are the ORtg ratings from Pomeroy on the guys who played double digit minutes. 2nd number is their ORtg average for the year. I'm not a big fan of ORtg as a measure, but this game I think it pretty much nails what was wrong. We sucked on offense.
Berry - 49 vs 123.0
Hicks - 76 vs 114.9
Luke - 86 vs 101.3
Kenny - 87 vs 117.6
Justin - 88 vs 126.8
Kennedy - 122 vs 112.9
Nate - 132 vs 98.6
Yeah, it was clearly effective, they won and we looked awful so effective cannot be denied. To me it was more a case of how poorly we played, it was as if we had never seen a zone defense played against us, really poorly attacked, zero movement, just sad really. GT did what they had to do, they clogged up the middle with a packed tight zone, they doubled with guards as ball strippers and our bigs allowed that by bringing the ball down low allowing it to be stripped.
WE settled for jump shots without a lot of player movement to really create better looks and we missed most of them. They sent everyone to the boards and were just quicker to everything. But the huge difference was just how careless and lazy we were passing the ball or even meeting the pass and the fact we settled for jump shots on a day we were not hitting jump shots. We did everything GT needed us to do for them to have a chance in that game.
Yeah I don't think there was anything wrong with the 3's we took. They were open, you just have to make more of them. We weren't much better at making layups, so kind of tough to win.
This thread is garbage.
Let me remind you and everyone else that's calling for Roy's head because he played Maye 2 more minutes than Bradley - Roy's job is not to showcase freshman. Roy's job is not to showcase upperclassmen. Roy's job is not make people feel good. The main responsibility of his job is to win basketball games. And it's laughable that anyone here thinks they have a better recipe than Roy for doing so. That's not to say Roy is above reproach. But when it comes to winning ball games, I'll take his record against anyone that poasts here. But by all means, please continue with the program bashing. I'll make sure to read closely to see the direction you're taking the program.
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Accurate self description.
11 minutes to 9 is hardly "showcasing" one player over another.
This team isn't winning games where Jackson and Berry shoot 9-30 FG's and 2-14 from 3. Simple as that.
Tony will be our starting 5 next season. And Luke is not a senior.
And Berry has 1 assist against 6 turn overs.
And Berry has 1 assist against 6 turn overs.
My fear for this team is what happens when Justin Jackson's 3 pt shooting regresses to his mean... He's around 40% right now from 3, but he's a 30% career 3pt shooter. He may have improved, but I don't see him making a 25% improvement year-to-year. If his percentage regresses towards 33-35% like I think it will, that means he'll be shooting around 30% for the rest of the season. That's going to be an issue.
It's a constant issue for Roy's teams since that 09 team (maybe 2013 team). We just don't have a team that consistently is a 3pt threat. And our bigs this year aren't good enough to mask it like last year.
It's a constant issue for Roy's teams since that 09 team (maybe 2013 team). We just don't have a team that consistently is a 3pt threat. And our bigs this year aren't good enough to mask it like last year.
Against anyone? You might want to rethink that. I don't have a single loss as head coach at UNC and Roy has dozens. Why would you not want the guy that's undefeated?
I am trying to figure out reading this how bradley and maye minutes correlate? So when hicks gets in foul trouble we bring in bradley to play with meeks? The argument for more bradley and less meeks could be valid. I agree bradley should play more but not at the four. Theo will help our situation at the four when gets back, as hicks cannot stay on the court so minutes are always going to be available there at the four. also, we really missed bryce in the middle of that zone making good decisions. Theo can help there too when he gets back.
I only got to watch the game on replay, sometimes it's better - don't get so emotional.
It looked to me that Tony and Luke were subbing in together in the first half. Unfortunately both made mistakes but Luke made more hustle plays.
Sorry to say, Tony just looked lost out there.... he barely grabbed a rebound, was woefully out of position on a number of defensive plays and had the ball stripped from him (looks like he's picked up a bad habit from the seniors)
So as much as it'd be nice to see him get 20+ min, he still has to make a contribution.... in the 9min he was in, there was very little to justify more.
It looked to me that Tony and Luke were subbing in together in the first half. Unfortunately both made mistakes but Luke made more hustle plays.
Sorry to say, Tony just looked lost out there.... he barely grabbed a rebound, was woefully out of position on a number of defensive plays and had the ball stripped from him (looks like he's picked up a bad habit from the seniors)
So as much as it'd be nice to see him get 20+ min, he still has to make a contribution.... in the 9min he was in, there was very little to justify more.
Hold on GD, you're putting words into my mouth.
I, nor does anyone else here, think they can do it better than Roy. He's got the job for a reason. But he does make mistakes and he does have tendencies that work against him.
I'm also not calling for his head. I never have and I never will. But make no mistake that game was awful. Probably more to do with the fact that our best players didn't show up, and not because of Tony not getting enough minutes. However, I don't like it when Roy tinkers with these weird lineups and then calls timeouts when the game is out of reach.
Do I get frustrated by Roy? Yes. Do I want him fired? No. There's a difference.
IDK gaucho, I didn't like a lot of the treys we took, because the defense GT played depended on us taking a lot of long shots and missing them. Now a wide open look taken by pretty much any of our guards I am fine with but a bunch of them were not so wide open or clean. GT was playing a morphing 2/3 that became a 1-3-1 at times, almost a pack man (UVa) type of thing. They pack the paint with a lot of bodies, they chase shooters up top on the pass, they hawked passing lanes, and they dropped guards down to strip our bigs on their catch (allowed when we to often brought the ball down so low a guard could strip them).
Packing things in so tight does invite open looks from guards when their chaser cannot get to the shooter but they were at least making the shooter think. If you are not hitting your long jumpers then rather than continue taking them pump fake and drive, you are either going to draw help from the other defending guard or from the wing or big, draw and dish to the open guy. When you can attack 5 on 4 you do not need to settle for 35ft jumpers unless they are wide open.
How about if we had brought Luke up top, have him set the high screen for Joel and rather than roll him back down have him step out and get the pass back from Joel. Luke with a wide open look at a trey, I would have liked to see some of that, Luke can hit those. What are they going to do, move a big out on him and leave the zone hanging or give Luke wide open trey looks without anyone close? They were jumping on Joel or Justin's shots under 35ft they didn't have the man power to jump luke to. Luke taking open gym jumpers I will take all day long.
Asking for Tony to get more minutes and calling for Roy's head are the same thing to some of you? Really?
Man, you guys are so black and white.
Man, you guys are so black and white.
Guys this is the team that won maui with ease and went toe to toe with the most talented team in the nation in one of the best reg season games in years. Yea they SUCKED against ga tech but its a marathon season. It was purely lack of effort and intensity. It happens to every team every season. Back off the ledge.
Really sucks they lost against GT, no excuse for that. But odds are they will use this as fuel and put Bojangles out of business! They have the talent!
Agreed, it has been an ongoing issue. Yet when Roy signs a 3pt specialist like Platek, many here criticized him. Fans can't have it both ways.
He also has almost 800 wins, how many do you have?
I can't answer that without giving away my secret identity. I promised Bubba I wouldn't reveal myself on this board.
I think the concern with a kid like Platek is that he won't be good enough at anything other than shooting to get enough PT to help our outside shooting in any substanial way.
You forgot to mention he didn't play those 9 minutes very well.......Entitlement is not the Carolina way, if he plays well he stays on the floor.
I apologize dadika . I did not look at the date when replying to this thread and thought it was about tonight's game. I was not able to watch the game Saturday so I can't comment on that game. Tonight Tony was not very good though.
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Of course. I'm not saying don't give him a chance, I'm saying it has typically been tough for a guy that's a specialist (as platek appears to be) to earn many significant minutes on really good teams regardless of they're specialty.
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