Top-five PG Coleman picks Texas over Duke

[Steat]

Duke misses out on Green (Kentucky) and now Coleman. Gotta love this folks. They are still in the running for Duval if they can find a way to get him eligible. Perhaps they can get Duval in the same online high school class as Harry Giles...

 

[RoseHeel]

I think they have a very good shot with Duval. Coleman's offer came before Duval reopened his recruitment.

 

[carolinablue34]

Yeah Duval is trending towards them right now. Good God, I hope he doesn't go there. I'm praying he chooses Kansas.

 

[gary-7]

Suck it, Capel.

 

[Coach325]

Duval is the reason Duke slow played Coleman and Coleman quickly realized he wasn't Duke's #1 priority. At this point, it's Duval or bust for Duke in 2017 PG's.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Duval is the reason Duke slow played Coleman and Coleman quickly realized he wasn't Duke's #1 priority.

That sounds right. Sure how it looked to me.

 

[Coach325]

Now if we miss on Duval, it will bite us in the butt......but I think Duke knew they are in good shape with Duval (hence the slowly backing off of Coleman).

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

I was one of those who wished we would go after Coleman. I feared Berry would be good enough to go pro, Nate and Stilman would graduate, and there was at least a chance that one or both of our replacements (7th and Jalek) would either not be PG material at this level or would need time to develop. So recruiting a pure PG made sense, just to improve the odds that we'd have a ready-to-go PG.

I'm not too worried at this point. After all even though Joel is having a fine season, he may not leave. And even though 7th clearly needs this year to make the transition, I think he'll be in good shape by next year. And we get reports that Jalek is on track to be a fine PG.

I'd still like to have 1 more big guy, though.

 

[Archer2]

Last week, I was telling my friend who is a d00k fan that their main issue right now is lack of chemistry. And I think there are multiple reasons for that.

- Early injuries to 3 Freshman which has limited their development
- Recent injury to Jefferson, IMO their best interior player at this point
- Allen's shenanigans
- Lack of a true PG
- Krazywhiskey's surgery

Now, I fully expect them to improve as their Freshmen gain more experience, Jefferson returns, as does K. They simply have waaaaaaaay too much talent to fall apart. Waaaaaay too much.

 

[Steat]

Tatum is part of the problem. Once he gets the ball he is going to shoot it. Duke will win at home. The test is when will they win a road ACC game?

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Last week, I was telling my friend who is a d00k fan that their main issue right now is lack of chemistry. And I think there are multiple reasons for that.

- Early injuries to 3 Freshman which has limited their development
- Recent injury to Jefferson, IMO their best interior player at this point
- Allen's shenanigans
- Lack of a true PG
- Krazywhiskey's surgery

Now, I fully expect them to improve as their Freshmen gain more experience, Jefferson returns, as does K. They simply have waaaaaaaay too much talent to fall apart. Waaaaaay too much.

Notice how K picked this period of struggle to have his surgery. Didn't he do something similar a few years back?

 

[gary-7]

Duke misses out on Green (Kentucky) and now Coleman. Gotta love this folks. They are still in the running for Duval if they can find a way to get him eligible. Perhaps they can get Duval in the same online high school class as Harry Giles...

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...and contrary to dookie propaganda, Coleman did not go to Texas because dook "slow-played" him ... he went to Texas because 1. Shaka has been on him since his VCU days, and 2. he didn't get a UNC offer.

 

[tarheels0015]

when Duval commits to dook .. Jackson better get use to the bench

 

[gunslingerdick]

Last week, I was telling my friend who is a d00k fan that their main issue right now is lack of chemistry. And I think there are multiple reasons for that.

- Early injuries to 3 Freshman which has limited their development
- Recent injury to Jefferson, IMO their best interior player at this point
- Allen's shenanigans
- Lack of a true PG
- Krazywhiskey's surgery

Now, I fully expect them to improve as their Freshmen gain more experience, Jefferson returns, as does K. They simply have waaaaaaaay too much talent to fall apart. Waaaaaay too much.

All the reasons you listed are certainly a part of it. I think it's even more simple than that. Their chemistry issues revolve around the collection of OAD players they brought in. Sure, the injuries set them back but I'm not sure they wouldn't be having these problems even if all three were ready to go from day 1. Tatum is auditioning for the NBA, Giles is a shell of his former self and Bolden looks completely disinterested. That's what you get with OAD players. They can still turn it around and like you said, they have scary talent if they can all get on the same page. But this situation is the exact reason I hope we never buy into the whole OAD model. Even if they end up winning the title, the first half of this season has not just been disappointing and underachieving, but tumultuous and downright no fun for duke fans.

 

[Archer2]

I think your point about Tatum auditioning for the NBA is spot on. Meant to mention that but forgot.

 

[Archer2]

FWIW, I think Duval will be a Devil.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

when Duval commits to dook .. Jackson better get use to the bench

They probably lose Allen and Kennard along with Jones. They have Trent coming in at SG. Jackson will almost certainly play starter minutes even if he doesn't start.

 

[gary-7]

I think your point about Tatum auditioning for the NBA is spot on. Meant to mention that but forgot.

It is indeed. I said without reservation he was the best player in that class, but another negative factor is that the "dookiness" has already been ingrained in him. When things don't go as easy for him as in AAU or he gets caught fouling his demeanor personifies the stuff that has made them so hate-able for so long.

 

[Steat]

when Duval commits to dook .. Jackson better get use to the bench

That's called getting recruited over. If Kennard comes back and Duval signs, Jackson goes to the bench. Trent starts and you can take that to the bank. Duke will have a 3 guard line-up with Trent , Duval and Kennard. The silver lining is that Luke West Kennard will probably make the jump NBA. If the votes were taken today, Kennard is a first team AA and his stock will not get any higher. He needs to look at Trip's situation. Trip was a freakin first round NBA draft pick last year and K-Rat convinved him to come back another year and now Trip will be lucky to get a D-League invite. There is even some talk about Trip returning to Duke. If Trip and Kennard return and Duke signs Duval, look for Jackson to be the third Duke 5-star to transfer. Hopefully, Luke West Kennard will pop for the NBA and not fall for the K-Rat trap.

Um...K-Rat's mouse trap.

 

[gunslingerdick]

There is even some talk about Trip returning to Duke.
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If K continues coaching next year (which I said before this year started that I think it would be his last), he'll push Allen out the door. He doesn't want that headache again next year especially if he's trying to right the ship before retiring. This year obviously isn't going according to plans. He won't want to run that same risk next year. And having Allen around again increases the chances of that happening exponentially.

 

[carolinablue34]

Duke is definitely banking on getting Duval for next year. They're in good shape for him. They're backcourt situation depends on whether or not Allen and Kennard leave because they got Trent and also as was said, Frank Jackson. Not sure if Bolden leaves after a year.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Not sure if Bolden leaves after a year.

That dude would leave tomorrow if he could. Or at least that's the impression I get watching him.

 

[Archer2]

I think Jefferson, Jones, Kennard, Allen, and Tatum will all depart. From what I've heard, Allen's NBA stock hasn't dropped much, even after his shenanigans. He's that talented and the NBA doesn't worry much about character, as is evidenced by the constant misbehavior of their players. If Jack the Ripper could shoot 40% from behind the arc, they'd sign him. And Kennard's stock couldn't get much higher. I think Bolden very much wanted to be a OAD but he hasn't played well.

 

[gunslingerdick]

I think Jefferson, Jones, Kennard, Allen, and Tatum will all depart. From what I've heard, Allen's NBA stock hasn't dropped much, even after his shenanigans. He's that talented and the NBA doesn't worry much about character, as is evidenced by the constant misbehavior of their players. If Jack the Ripper could shoot 40% from behind the arc, they'd sign him. And Kennard's stock couldn't get much higher. I think Bolden very much wanted to be a OAD but he hasn't played well.

Giles?

 

[Archer2]

Giles?

Brain fart on my part. Yes, I think Giles is gone too.

 

[DSouthr]

It is getting close to the point that other programs begin to negative recruit that K is on his last legs and may not be the duke coach when you get there. Capel has not helped his resume in these last 2 games since K went out. When K hangs them up duke's recruiting will take a nose dive, wait and see!

 

[carolinablue34]

It is getting close to the point that other programs begin to negative recruit that K is on his last legs and may not be the duke coach when you get there. Capel has not helped his resume in these last 2 games since K went out. When K hangs them up duke's recruiting will take a nose dive, wait and see!

Too early to tell. That may happen but their reputation and history alone will attract players after K is gone.

I think Jefferson, Jones, Kennard, Allen, and Tatum will all depart. From what I've heard, Allen's NBA stock hasn't dropped much, even after his shenanigans. He's that talented and the NBA doesn't worry much about character, as is evidenced by the constant misbehavior of their players. If Jack the Ripper could shoot 40% from behind the arc, they'd sign him. And Kennard's stock couldn't get much higher. I think Bolden very much wanted to be a OAD but he hasn't played well.

Jefferson graduates so he has to leave. Kennard is still a toss up but there's definitely a possibility he could go as could Allen. Tatum and Giles are gone. Bolden most likely too unless his stock goes down.

 

[RoseHeel]

Only guys I see on every draft board are Tatum and Giles. I haven't seen Bolden on any draft board since November. Allen isn't on either, but I can't imagine many teams pass on him just because of this tripping crap.

 

[Steat]

Duke recruitng will suffer when K is gone and so will some of the secrecy. For examle, there is no way K would have admitted to the press that Giles would not be up to speed for the rest of the year. Capel did just that and opposing coaches will now take advantage of that by challenging Giles. Unless K gets a point guard for next year (Duval), they will be good but no NCAA title chance. Tatum is a ball hawk and it's showing.

 

[Steat]

Only guys I see on every draft board are Tatum and Giles. I haven't seen Bolden on any draft board since November. Allen isn't on either, but I can't imagine many teams pass on him just because of this tripping crap.

A big part of Trip's game is driving the lane and that will not work in the NBA. He is only 6-3 and he has limited point guard skills.

 

[soap - new and improved]

A big part of Trip's game is driving the lane and that will not work in the NBA. He is only 6-3 and he has limited point guard skills.

He ain't gonna get all those flop/whip foul calls there either. He will be lucky to get actual foul calls.

 

[trestyles]

Luke is first round material but I think he will stay. Allen most likely a 2ndround pick now. Bolden has played his way out of first round talk. Especially with the surprising freshman at Texas a&M, and creighton.

 

[Sk1310]

Wasnt Bolden considered a top 15 team pick the season started? Two bigs in a row, Jeter and Bolden...

 

[RoseHeel]

Amazes me that Bolden is still behing Giles in terms of draft position. From the way people talk, it's as if he's the Derrick Rose of the 2016 Class. Are their any NBA teams outside of Philly that are that desperate to take a risk on both his knees holding up?

 

[tarwhiz]

...and contrary to dookie propaganda, Coleman did not go to Texas because dook "slow-played" him ... he went to Texas because 1. Shaka has been on him since his VCU days, and 2. he didn't get a UNC offer.

Didn't want him, not impressed.

 

[gauchoheel]

Don't see how Bolden could declare. He's been just bad. Giles I suppose will leave, juat because of all of the hype. Might as well get some money now in case his athleticism will never come back. Another poor year at Dook and he's toast.

Don't see how Tatum and Kennard could not leave. Kennard is legit. And Trippy should probably go too.

 

[morgousky]

Too early to tell. That may happen but their reputation and history alone will attract players after K is gone.



Jefferson graduates so he has to leave. Kennard is still a toss up but there's definitely a possibility he could go as could Allen. Tatum and Giles are gone. Bolden most likely too unless his stock goes down.

Not necessarily on that first part.

Indiana never recovered correctly under knight. UCLA has never been close to the same without Wooden. Duke is a city / Ivy league type college and it would be a prime candidate for a downward trend after K. The Duke "affair" between the NCAA and NCAA limbs will erode rather quickly, especially if they hire Capel. He's not good working the system the way K is. Capel also isn't a very good bench coach and wasn't at Oklahoma. Other than him, you've got Wojo, who's not ready for the Duke job at all. There's no Calipari like Kentucky had the opportunity for, or Williams who UNC had waiting. The ACC is stacked right now, and I don't see any way the next Duke coach comes close to living up to the standard expected. I don't see Duke winning titles without coach K anyway though. Not many anyway, and not for a long time.

 

[gauchoheel]

Not necessarily on that first part.

Indiana never recovered correctly under knight. UCLA has never been close to the same without Wooden. Duke is a city / Ivy league type college and it would be a prime candidate for a downward trend after K. The Duke "affair" between the NCAA and NCAA limbs will erode rather quickly, especially if they hire Capel. He's not good working the system the way K is. Capel also isn't a very good bench coach and wasn't at Oklahoma. Other than him, you've got Wojo, who's not ready for the Duke job at all. There's no Calipari like Kentucky had the opportunity for, or Williams who UNC had waiting. The ACC is stacked right now, and I don't see any way the next Duke coach comes close to living up to the standard expected. I don't see Duke winning titles without coach K anyway though. Not many anyway, and not for a long time.

Let's hope you're right.

 

[Archer2]

Not necessarily on that first part.

Indiana never recovered correctly under knight. UCLA has never been close to the same without Wooden. Duke is a city / Ivy league type college and it would be a prime candidate for a downward trend after K. The Duke "affair" between the NCAA and NCAA limbs will erode rather quickly, especially if they hire Capel. He's not good working the system the way K is. Capel also isn't a very good bench coach and wasn't at Oklahoma. Other than him, you've got Wojo, who's not ready for the Duke job at all. There's no Calipari like Kentucky had the opportunity for, or Williams who UNC had waiting. The ACC is stacked right now, and I don't see any way the next Duke coach comes close to living up to the standard expected. I don't see Duke winning titles without coach K anyway though. Not many anyway, and not for a long time.

I think you're spot on, and for the reasons you stated. Now if they could entice Brad Stevens to give up his gig in Boston, that would certainly help their cause. Regardless of who they hire, he won't have the USA coaching stranglehold in his back pocket.

Personally, I think d00k and UNC both will experience a decline ofter Krazywhiskey and Roy leave. It's almost inevitable. KU was very fortunate to have Roy step in after Larry, and fortunate again when Self replaced Roy. It is rare for a legendary coach to be replaced with another great coach in college basketball. Look at IU after Knight, UCLA after Wooden, UNLV after Tark the Shark, Saint Johns after Carnesecca, Villanova after Massimino, Georgetown after Thompson...

The question is not whether there will be a decline, it's how much and for how long, IMO. We have better facilities and more tradition than d00k so I have hope that our decline won't be as precipitous or as long lasting. But our fans, even his harshest critics, are going to miss Roy when he leaves. Of that I'm sure.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Tatum is part of the problem. Once he gets the ball he is going to shoot it. Duke will win at home. The test is when will they win a road ACC game?

For good and bad, the obvious comparison is Austin Rivers.