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Roy also didn't get run out of Kansas or UNC and hasn't been out of the game for 5+ years.

Brown was “run out of town” at tx for going 24-14 last 3 seasons. Thats basically going 8-4. He does that here and we’ll build a statue to him. Excellent hire imo.

As for being out of the game for 5yrs? Well in 2013 it was nick saban and ala vs brian kelly and nd for the title.
 
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Brown was “run out of town” at tx for going 24-14 last 3 seasons. Thats basically going 8-4. He does that here and we’ll build a statue to him. Excellent hire imo.
They wanted him out, and replaced him with Charlie Strong, who gave them 3 consecutive losing seasons.
 
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Probably the dumbest thing they could have done. For the first time ever I am willing to give woadblue's anti-football conspiracy theories at least a fraction of percentage point possibility of existing.
 
Probably the dumbest thing they could have done. For the first time ever I am willing to give woadblue's anti-football conspiracy theories at least a fraction of percentage point possibility of existing.
It will generate some immediate interest from the fan-base. They're already marketing the thing.

I'd like to hear more of what makes you say that.
 
Probably the dumbest thing they could have done. For the first time ever I am willing to give woadblue's anti-football conspiracy theories at least a fraction of percentage point possibility of existing.

Hiring a hof coach thats top 10 in wins with a natty and two coy’s is the dumbest thing they could have done huh? Lets put his resume up against who u think they should have gotten. Who was that?
 
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Hiring a hof coach thats top 10 in wins with a natty and two coy’s is the dumbest thing they could have done huh? Lets put his resume up against who u think they should have gotten. Who was that?

Maybe his username is soap because he subconsciously knows he needs to wash his mouth out...
 
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How many schools have hof’ers coaching bball and fb i wonder? Throw in a baseball coach 4th all time in wins.
Don't forget about a soccer HOF coach, field hockey coach with multiple national championships and national championship coaches in LAX. Our coaching staff across the athletic department is ridiculously talented. We are extremely spoiled as fans.
 
Fedora’s offense made our defense look worse than it ever really was. Think about it. Our offense is great when it’s gettinf yards in bunches but if not, you are usually looking at 3 and outs that last maybe 2 minutes. That equals lots of downs on short rest for a defense over 4 quarters. That’s not easy.

Yeah, the tempo Fed wanted to play on offense did lead to a lot of very quick 3 & outs, our defense just spent to much time on the field and having very little back ups developed, they just wore down, could as well be a factor in the numbers of injuries.
 
It will generate some immediate interest from the fan-base. They're already marketing the thing.

I'd like to hear more of what makes you say that.

Way too old to try to rebuild, will be used against us in recruiting, I also happen to believe Mack cares about UNC not one whit and is 100% about Mack. Hope I am wrong, time will tell.
 
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... our defense just spent to much time on the field and having very little back ups developed, they just wore down, could as well be a factor in the numbers of injuries.
exactly. when your defense lacks depth it's a high priority to keep them off the field. how many times did we see carolina fight hard to stay in the game then lose the 4th quarter with exhausted defense? if there's one stat that summarizes fed's failure it's time of possession which routinely favored our opponents.
 
Way too old to try to rebuild, will be used against us in recruiting, I also happen to believe Mack cares about UNC not one whit and is 100% about Mack. Hope I am wrong, time will tell.
i'm glad you're happy to be wrong, because you are. mack went to texas to win a national championship and he did, but a part of him still loves chapel hill and the beautiful green state of nc. he also wants to end his career on a winning note, and unc gives him a chance to do that. and he is NOT too old to rebuild. i'm mack's age, and my career as a clinical psychologist is still going quite well, thank you.
 
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i'm glad you're happy to be wrong, because you are. mack went to texas to win a national championship and he did, but a part of him still loves chapel hill and the beautiful green state of nc. he also wants to end his career on a winning note, and unc gives him a chance to do that. and he is NOT too old to rebuild. i'm mack's age, and my career as a clinical psychologist is still going quite well, thank you.

We disagree about mack, I hope you turn out to be right. I never faulted him for leaving, I understood he was gone the instant he knew for sure the Texas offer was real, and I understand why and don't blame him for it. I deeply dislike the way he painted it as though UNC was at fault for not doing enough to keep him. That part is what gripes me, Mack was 100% NOT staying at UNC as soon as he knew the Texas offer was real.

Jimmy, did you start trying to rebuild a program in shambles at 67? If so, and if it went well, my compliments to you. Even if so, not all professions are comparable in an apples to apples way.
 
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I think this has potential to work, with the understanding that the coordinators are the major hire and Mack is to the football program what Gut was to the basketball program. Run things for a couple of years while they line up the long-term plan. Let's just hope whoever the Roy in this metaphor is comes right away, and we don't have a Doh in the middle.
 
I don't think it has been recruiting as much as a drop-off in coaching that has hampered the Gamecocks in recent years. Review the ranking of their recruiting classes over the past eight years, including the current 2019 class, according to Rivals and ESPN.


Spurrier's last four seasons coaching at USC:
2012 - 19th (Rivals), 16th (ESPN)
2013 - 16th (Rivals), 18th (ESPN)
2014 - 16th (Rivals), 19th (ESPN)
2015 - 19th (Rivals), 21st (ESPN)

Spurrier's first season not at the helm but for the most part his recruiting class:
2016 - 26th (Rivals), 27th (ESPN)

Since Spurrier left:
2017 - 16th (Rivals), 19th (ESPN)
2018 - 18th (Rivals), 18th (ESPN)
2019 - 20th (Rivals), 18th (ESPN)

South Carolina has recruited as well since Spurrier left as when he was coaching them.

Then explain Spurriers last couple of years at SC. No matter the ESPN rankings, Muschamp pretty much took over a dumpster fire from a talent standpoint.
 
Don't forget about a soccer HOF coach, field hockey coach with multiple national championships and national championship coaches in LAX. Our coaching staff across the athletic department is ridiculously talented. We are extremely spoiled as fans.
Not quite. When we win the football National Championship and the College World Series, then we will be extremely spoiled.

And it is long past time for both.
 
We disagree about mack, I hope you turn out to be right. I never faulted him for leaving, I understood he was gone the instant he knew for sure the Texas offer was real, and I understand why and don't blame him for it. I deeply dislike the way he painted it as though UNC was at fault for not doing enough to keep him. That part is what gripes me, Mack was 100% NOT staying at UNC as soon as he knew the Texas offer was real.

Jimmy, did you start trying to rebuild a program in shambles at 67? If so, and if it went well, my compliments to you. Even if so, not all professions are comparable in an apples to apples way.
Nobody at UNC ever hinted that he or she felt that Mack, in his autobiography or anywhere else, ever even tilted or tinted the truth about how his leaving happened. If Mack misled about what happened then, he would not be the HC now, because he would be marked as a liar across the athletics department, which lies cast a bad light on UNC's athletics department.

I think Mack would have stayed if UNC had acted quickly to match Texas. Mack knew what it would take to overcome FSU and win the ACC and be a true threat to win a National Championship.
 
Gonna be funny for @Xlance if we hire the DC from Army but not Monken
Jay Bateman is the guy who 'received' the 'leaked' info from Wake. I still think that episode is funny.

He is a very good DC in that his players get in position and react as members of a team - they do not wildcat. They do their assigned jobs, and they do them with sound fundamentals.
 
Jay Bateman is the guy who 'received' the 'leaked' info from Wake. I still think that episode is funny.

He is a very good DC in that his players get in position and react as members of a team - they do not wildcat. They do their assigned jobs, and they do them with sound fundamentals.

They also have that mentality drilled into their heads outside of football. So that helps
 
...Jimmy, did you start trying to rebuild a program in shambles at 67? If so, and if it went well, my compliments to you. Even if so, not all professions are comparable in an apples to apples way.
my friend, your question is reasonable and worthy of reply. i honestly believe i could purchase the failing practice of another psychologist in a different city and rebuild it into a success like my practice in richmond if i wanted to. physically i'm good to go -- a healthy energetic lap swimmer. but more important is what i've learned -- 40 years of learning from my mistakes and successes. there wouldn't be much of a learning curve or reinventing the wheel. there would be some networking in a new city, but i've had 40 yrs to learn the SKILL of networking! another key skill that keeps me working in my late 60s is delegating. in my field that means referring out difficult cases rather than trying to save the world. i have no doubt mack is a good delegater and i'm eager to learn who his assistants are. mack's a proven recruiter and i'm sure he's maintained some good connections in n.c.. also, please don't underestimate the value of his national reputation and contacts. i'm very excited about mack's return!
 
I also happen to believe Mack cares about UNC not one whit and is 100% about Mack. Hope I am wrong, time will tell.
Well, I am going to have to disagree with you there. You have been very respectful in your posts, so please don't take this as bashing you, because it isn't. What I DO know of the man is from personal experience. By that I mean a personal correspondence with the man when he left for Texas.

When it was first made public that he was thinking of leaving, I wrote a letter to him (yes, an actual letter was still OK back in those days) stating my desire to see him stay, but also stating I completely understood why he would want to go. I cited some of the rumors about how he was mistreated, but nothing elaborate. I also stated how much I appreciated the work he did at UNC and would always be a big supporter of his even if he did choose to leave.

Not being so naive as to think he would give a rat's arse about some no-name fan from no-name NC, I didn't think anything else about it. He left, I was sad, but looked forward to what I hoped was a good hire with Torbush (and we ALL know how that turned out!).

Anyway, sometime the following spring I received a letter from the University of Texas. Since I had no ties there, I was baffled. I opened it and there was a response to my letter from Mack Brown on UT letterhead. In it he thanked me for my kind words, expressed how he hated to leave UNC and how Chapel Hill and all the fans who treated him so well would always hold a special place in his heart. And, yes, he signed it himself, not some stamp. I still have that letter somewhere, tucked away in with all my other UNC keepsakes. I have never forgotten that and how he took the time to write me back, even though he didn't have to and most coaches of his stature wouldn't have bothered with. He did, signed it personally and I cherish it to this day. But, I always went back to what he said about UNC and his love for the University every time I heard him talk. I read where he professed his love for Chapel Hill in different articles here and there and always remembered what he said to me.

So, I have NO doubts whatsoever about his love for UNC. I also have no doubt he will do everything he can to rebuild this program and try to make it the best place in the country to watch a football game. Now, whether or not he can succeed remains to be seen, but I will never question the man's love for UNC.

As for his being hired, I freely admit he wasn't my first choice. He may not have been in the top 5, but I am also not overly upset he will be the next coach either. I think he was probably the best choice to appease the boosters who were going to have to pay Fedora's contract off while also giving us a good coach to rebuild with. I think he and the University have been working on this for a while and probably already have a list of assistants they want to go after or maybe have even talked to. (HE could talk to anyone he wanted to) If so, then it may be just what UNC needs to get back on track. He has the pedigree, he has the support of the boosters and, from what I can remember, he always had good relations with NC High School coaches. If he can still coach even 1/2 as good as he did before, then I think we will be just fine. No, we won't be in the playoffs and won't sniff a NC, but we will be fine.
 
I heard an interesting rumor about Mack on radio during my drive home from work. Chris Russo was interviewing Gary Danielson. GD was asked about the Mack hire, and he said Mack was brought in to improve recruiting and provide stability to program and would eventually become the AD once he retired from coaching. Has anyone else heard about him as AD here?
 
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I heard an interesting rumor about Mack on radio during my drive home from work. Chris Russo was interviewing Gary Danielson. GD was asked about the Mack hire, and he said Mack was brought in to improve recruiting and provide stability to program and would eventually become the AD once he retired from coaching. Has anyone else heard about him as AD here?
I've not heard that, but why would Bubba hire a man that would eventually take his job?
 
I've not heard that, but why would Bubba hire a man that would eventually take his job?

I was thinking the same thing. That's why I was wondering whether Danielson was just guessing on this or if there was any truth to it.
 
I was thinking the same thing. That's why I was wondering whether Danielson was just guessing on this or if there was any truth to it.
Think about this as a "What IF" scenario.... The big donor boosters set this in motion and Bubba had to make a choice to bring Mack back as the coach now or they would bring Mack in as the new AD in the near future.
Pure speculation on my part, but I could see it being true or partially true.
 
I've not heard that, but why would Bubba hire a man that would eventually take his job?
After ND fans got over dealing with the fact that ND was bound to ACC football contractually, which means as a member in football (just not a full member), I saw one post that said that if the then still proposed ACC Network came on the air, ND would accept that its sports future was set with the ACC, and that such might include becoming a full member in football. He was attacked for saying that, and one of the things he added is that he assumed that if ND were to make that move, part of the deal would include Jack Swarbrick or some other ND person becoming ACC commissioner after Swofford.

Bubba is an ND grad. If Swarbrick were to move to the ACC office, Bubba is the most logical choice for ND AD. And Mack could become our AD.

So my guess is that any person talking about Mack being set up to become UNC AD after he resets the football program on solid ground has in mind the ND thing.
 
I was watching Sportscenter, and the ticker under the broadcast, where you see scores and headlines on a loop... it says "Mack Brown agrees to become North Carolina coach."

I dunno... something less-than-pleasant with that message!
 
The decision to hire Mack was made way above Bubba's pay grade.

Uh, not exactly, since this was a bloodless coup, Chancellor, AD, a few Trustees perhaps and a bunch of Ed Found noise and viola, we have Mack back. I have been on a search committee at the University level and this was highly unusual.
 
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