R.J. IS our most reliable shooter, and he could be even better off the ball.
Wilcher being very good from day 1 is extremely important.
I think he will be.
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Wilcher being very good from day 1 is extremely important.
I think he will be.
Man, that would be great.
RJ does not facilitate well. He dribbles the shit out of the ball and is too East/west rather than north/south. Doesn’t have a great first step and much prefers to hunt his shot.
Trimble is a semi-reliable ball handler but that’s about where it ends as far as his ability to be a floor general.
Wilcher is a combo. And we’ve seen how that’s worked out the past couple of years. Plus, he’ll be a freshman. We can’t possibly like the prospect of a freshman combo trying to play PG for us. No thanks.
I think PG is without a doubt, our biggest need. We couldn’t even make simple entry passes to Mando at times this year. And it would allow RJ to do what he does best.
I agree, but I think both Love AND Dunn would need to go for this to be plausible.
I would 100% be ok with Cadeau, Davis, Wilcher, Trimble backcourt.
It would be scary defensively, but our offense currently sucks!
Let's fix that and get our running game back on track, and JUST GO F ING OUTSCORE EVERYBODY!!!!
The best defense is a good offense.
Just ask the 2009 champs.
So much easier to win games when you take the lead early and never relinquish it.
Offense wins games. Defense wins championships. We are just trying to win games right now so I agree. After we’ve shown the ability to win games, then maybe we can look at trying to win championships.
From a simple viewing point, I just want to see us return to running efficient offense. These games are hard to watch with all these halfcourt sets.
Consistent scoring leads to confidence at the defensive end.
More athletes PERIOD, will lead to better defense too.
We are NOT an athletic team, and we now lose the 3 most athletic dudes on the team in Love, Black and Styles.
We absolutely need athleticism at the 2-4 positions through the portal this Summer. Wilcher and High will help in this area, and a confident Trimble would too. What good is his amazing hops if he is not tough enough/ willing to get to the basket?
Never heard of him. But I like his size. Is he bouncy? Rim runner? Any kind of shot? His numbers for a terrible Louisville team were not good. Anyone?
The guy from the Ville will be a bouncer at PT' s showroom in Louisville long before he plays for Carolina.
Styles gone. need Hubert to enter the portal now.
I have no concerns about his recruiting either .. it's everything else he does/doesn't do that I have concerns about.
Which of those guys is someone you're comfortable with leading the offense in 23-24? Please don't say RJ...
I have a strong feeling it'll be Cadeau.
Good size and moves smoothly, but the video shows mainly dunks and short shots over smaller guys. It's not clear if he has college-level quickness.
I wouldn't mind Hubert taking a look, but you have to wonder why he couldn't get more minutes on an awful Louisville team.
It would be interesting if our departing players ended up playing at Monmouth or Cincinnati or Vanderbilt. Still in the family, so to speak. I wonder if they would get more PT and do better there?
The UNC program recruits for itself, just like Bama and Ohio State football. Just like Dook, KU and UK basketball. THE great issue at such programs is not whether the coach there will have talent, but what he can do with the large amount of talent he will have because that program is what it is.
Cadeau is my first choice.
Wilcher in a lead guard role with R.J. playing off the ball is my second choice.
I think Cadeau reclass is more likely than Carolina getting a portal pg.
With RJ, Seth, and Wilcher I do not see PG spot as area of need for next season, if Dunn comes back I think the 2 spot is in pretty good shape but a really sweet jump shooting guy would help us if he can at least stay in front of his man on the defensive end, I like the Timberlake kid, a kid that has made over 600 treys in college and shoots them at a 38% clip, same 3pt distance the blue blood players shoot treys from.
The wing spot (3) is a concern, hard to count on Puff with his injury issues and frankly, his shooting has not been really dependable, I didn't see him progress much last season, other than got a bit more PT. We could small ball with a guy like Timberlake added or portal in a more traditional sized wing shooter. At the 4 I think we need a more physical guy, big broad shoulder guy with a touch of a mean streak that is not scared to flush it! We have Jalen and High who should become reliable stretch 4 types but lets get more physical help for Bacot. And I would LOVE for us to get a rim protecting shot blocking big man, those guys tend to change the game and cover up a lot of the mistakes guards will make. Love Bacot but he isn't really a shot blocking/altering big man but more a big body positional rebounder.
The lack of a shot altering shot blocking big man really hurt us this season, Nance gave us a little bit of that very late season but we needed it there all season. I watched team drive the lane on us un-afraid of their shot being blocked so they had the true duo option, a shot blocker shuts that down. Watched centers shoot over our bigs, Burns for State for example but most decent centers we went against didn't worry much about their shots being blocked, I would like to see that change.
So I portal in 3 guys, a sweet jump shooter at the 3 (could be a long 2 guard and we go smaller, want a shooter more than a scorer, a spot Dunn could fit if he stays), a broad shoulders physical big man, and a rim protector long armed big man ( example, a Lively type shot blocker and Jalen could become that, he has the length and timing).
The wing spot (3) is a concern, hard to count on Puff with his injury issues and frankly, his shooting has not been really dependable, I didn't see him progress much last season, other than got a bit more PT. We could small ball with a guy like Timberlake added or portal in a more traditional sized wing shooter. At the 4 I think we need a more physical guy, big broad shoulder guy with a touch of a mean streak that is not scared to flush it! We have Jalen and High who should become reliable stretch 4 types but lets get more physical help for Bacot. And I would LOVE for us to get a rim protecting shot blocking big man, those guys tend to change the game and cover up a lot of the mistakes guards will make. Love Bacot but he isn't really a shot blocking/altering big man but more a big body positional rebounder.
The lack of a shot altering shot blocking big man really hurt us this season, Nance gave us a little bit of that very late season but we needed it there all season. I watched team drive the lane on us un-afraid of their shot being blocked so they had the true duo option, a shot blocker shuts that down. Watched centers shoot over our bigs, Burns for State for example but most decent centers we went against didn't worry much about their shots being blocked, I would like to see that change.
So I portal in 3 guys, a sweet jump shooter at the 3 (could be a long 2 guard and we go smaller, want a shooter more than a scorer, a spot Dunn could fit if he stays), a broad shoulders physical big man, and a rim protector long armed big man ( example, a Lively type shot blocker and Jalen could become that, he has the length and timing).
You throw water at Hubert as a recruiter, do you realize that Hubert ALREADY has the commits for the #1 class in 24? Do you realize that he was why we got Manek, he went out and got Garcia and not a single Tar Heel fan was upset about that when Garcia committed to us. I don't recall anyone being upset that he got Nance.
There are multiple issues with the season Hubert just had where there is legit concern with what we watched, recruiting is NOT one of them. If you were not so intent on kicking dust on the UNC basketball program as a whole you would already realize this.
He could fit one of my portal in types that I think we need, that physical big guy that can play that more bruising type of game< I think Bacot plays better with a more traditional version of a power forward, he has to one on one defend to much inside the paint and his forte is him being the rebounder gobbler more than shot blocker. Recall, Hubert tends now to pull Bacot after he picks up his second foul in a half, we need some insurance at his spot.
I cannot get on board with your first sentence, but saw nothing in the rest of that post that I remotely disagreed with. I think you were spot on with it! I have not heard Wilcher to be a point guard, but yet another combo. We have seen in the last 3 years that we need an absolute pure PG facilitator and for floor general. I really am hoping Cadeau reclasses and the rest of your post comes to fruition.
Then let's talk about that first sentence!
Now very clearly, I am much higher on Trimble that most everyone else seems to be, I may be on that island alone but so be it. I see him as a potential key to something big, will explain. Seth this season was a really bad jump shooter, which was his weak point prior to college, he was a decent jump shooter but not consistent. We tend to recall how a kid plays at the end of the season more so that early on, kid clearly lost all confidence in his shooting, same happened with Dunn in his freshman season and don't forget, Seth was a freshman that did not get big minutes.
Most of the season, when Seth was put in it was at either the 2 or 3 guard spots, have no clue why because you don't put a weak shooter at a position that you have extreme need for knock down shooting and expect it to work well, it is like expecting Caleb Love to ball handle like Ty Lawson. Seth at the 2 or 3 and the ball not in his hands, defenders back off and go double someone else that is a solid shooting threat. But put the ball in his hands as a PG and he is a pg NOT a 2 OR 3, THE OTHER TEAMS HAS TO PUT A DEFENDER ON HIM, CAN'T DOUBLE OFF! Seth is an electric at the rim finisher and a solid passer but his mates have to work to get in to position for him to get them the ball and as we know our offensive movement was really poor. We needed to have let Seth settle in as a PG, not experimenting with him as a 2 or 3, that just was not smart.
Wilcher, being honest, I prefer him as a 2 but this kid has basketball IQ big time, has all the PG instincts, is a PG right now at the high school level, not flashy, looks to make the smart play rather than the flashy one, very good passer and actively looks to set his mates up, I only see him as a combo because I feel he could be a fantastic 2 guard that can score from all 3 levels.
RJ, love RJ but I have always seen him as a 2 guard trapped in a PG body, he is a serviceable + PG but more of a shooter/scorer that really needs to work for his own looks rather than look for his mates. His 3 years of starting at the point however is very valuable. Dunn, if he comes back I think can develop in to a really solid shooting threat, I think he just needs PT to get there.
I would caution everyone thinking all this team needs is Cadeau, not long back all we needed was Cole, how did his freshman season go for us? Not long after that all we needed was Caleb Love at the point, how did that freshman season go for us? Joel Berry didn't start a single game for us as a freshman but do we really expect a freshman Cadeau will come in and dominate at the PG spot or should that maybe be tempered a touch? I am not saying Wilcher will either but I am looking at Wilcher as 1 of 3 PGs and don't even know he will start just yet. Lets get the PGs we have matured up with PT NEXT season so they can help Cadeau with their experience when he does get here, help him transition from the high school level to the college level. Neither RJ nor Caleb had that and it hurt their development.
Will end this with I can't help but LOVE the thought of a Trimble/Wilcher back court from the defensive view point, that is a lock down defensive duo that will drive opposing teams nuts because if you didn't already know, Wilcher is considered a fantastic defender, near the level of Trimble on tat end of the court.
Wilcher played more of a lead PG role this past year, due to his HS adding a big time player thats heading to Dook, and Wilcher had an outstanding season.
I recommend checking out this piece on Wilcher, starting at 2:40 mark he discusses PG/vs combo. Really excited to watch this kid next year.
Walker Miller transferred to Monmouth after Hubert got the job. He started every game, averaged 30 mins, 14.6 ppg, and was selected second team All MAAC.
I think how you lined this up will come to fruition, however I think the staff already reaching out to 2 guards may mean Dunn could be leaving too.
I would prefer Wilcher get the chance to play pg and move R.J. off the ball.
You say Trimble can handle and finish strong at the rim?
That was his reputation in HS, but he came up short in both areas this past year. He proved to be realky inept at feeding the post, and I said during the season that he probably didn't do much if any of that before getting to Chapel Hill.
I think Seth can/ will be a good ball handler and finisher with renewed confidence. But he needs some of the " Dog" that R.J. and Wilcher carry, to rub off on him this Summer.
Appreciate the Wilcher video. I had not seen him talk about being a point guard before. It seems like he was more highly rated as a Junior and then slipped a little this year to include not making the McDonald's all American popularity contest. Does that have anything to do with his focus on being a distributing rather than scoring you think? The kid obviously comes from a terrific family and I love that we target those types of kids.
Lol, ok - sorry, didn’t realize you were the measurement of intelligent posts or allowing people to express their opinions. Really hate internet ahole comments like yours.
If you stopped being an ass for a moment, and you are watching the tournament, you’d understand my point. It was well articulated by Kenny Smith on one of the shows recently. You’re either a coach and program that gets the 5 star recruits and knows how to manage them, or you’re a coach who develops talent and gets the 3 and 4 star recruits. Not too many examples of coaches that can do both.
The game has significant parity going on right now. My point is that the program has not shown a measurable “why UNC” factor over the past few years. Our run last year has clearly been proven to be more “caught fire” and not be a result of a sustained development program. UNC will always be a storied program with a fantastic history. But this means less and less in todays environment.
I actually thought he and Gary were same guy with different accounts
Just another of the many portal players an assistant coach has touched base with. I don't expect Coach Davis to recruit him. Just assistants doing their due diligence.
Just curious, what was your reaction when you found out they reached out to a couple guys that shoot well from 3?
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