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Trump & Hillary

You're right. Trump has had the benefit of pretty much 24/7 media coverage. And knows just how to reboot it every time it lags.

He doesn't have the benefit of coverage unless he generates the issue himself, which is why he says the things he says.
 
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Well ... since there's nothing else of substance for anyone to cover, I'd say yes, that's pretty much exactly right.

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They could try covering Hillary's need for people to hold her up, or the Clinton Foundation and why the DOJ refused to let FBI investigate.

That would be interesting.
 
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I thought you wanted them to cover Trump.

Nah- I personally have seen enough of Trump on the news. I would much rather know why Clinton seems so sick or why Obama had to pay the Iranians in Swiss francs under the cover of darkness

But we both know no MSM reporter will chase that story. It's probably just too hard given that neither HillDawg or Obama will hold a press conference.
 
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Of course you do.

He wasn't "clearly" talking about it or we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Hillary "clearly" lied under oath about who had access to her email account and the State Dept "clearly" was involved in the Clinton Foundation but we aren't talking about that.

What we are talking about is what is being blown up by CNN, CBS, NBC, Washington Post- that much is blatantly clear to me.
 
The mainstream media resembles TASS these days, espousing the liberal agenda to the exclusion of all truth. Fox is the lone beacon of reason, the only one to make any attempt at impartiality. It's the only way someone as crooked and incompetent as Hillary can get elected.
 
Hillary "clearly" lied under oath about who had access to her email account and the State Dept "clearly" was involved in the Clinton Foundation but we aren't talking about that.
The fact that you have to keep deflecting criticism of Trump by pointing out Hillary's wrongs is proof neither one deserves to be president.

But that's not really what this is about, is it? Let's just cut to the chase. It's not that you hate Hillary (although you do). The truth is that you actually like Trump, but he's like a fat girl.* You have a huge crush on her but are too embarrassed to admit it. You're afraid you'll get ridiculed. It's okay, man. Nobody here is going to make fun of you.** Just embrace it, be who you are, and live your life the way you want. We all love you and want you to be happy. If that means porking a fat chick, then that's your prerogative.



* Mods: In no way is this comment meant to be construed as fat-shaming. If anything, it is calling attention to the plight of a society that judges others based on their outward appearance instead of the content of their character. I used this metaphor intentionally as condemnation of a harmful social construct created by our sexist culture.

** I'm totally going to make fun of you.
 
The fact that you have to keep deflecting criticism of Trump by pointing out Hillary's wrongs is proof neither one deserves to be president.

But that's not really what this is about, is it? Let's just cut to the chase. It's not that you hate Hillary (although you do). The truth is that you actually like Trump, but he's like a fat girl.* You have a huge crush on her but are too embarrassed to admit it. You're afraid you'll get ridiculed. It's okay, man. Nobody here is going to make fun of you.** Just embrace it, be who you are, and live your life the way you want. We all love you and want you to be happy. If that means porking a fat chick, then that's your prerogative.



* Mods: In no way is this comment meant to be construed as fat-shaming. If anything, it is calling attention to the plight of a society that judges others based on their outward appearance instead of the content of their character. I used this metaphor intentionally as condemnation of a harmful social construct created by our sexist culture.

** I'm totally going to make fun of you.

I lolled fo real- well done
 
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Do you at least see the textbook narcissism he exhibits?

I think so.... found this online.... I have known TWO with this disorder in my life, they are very, very, very difficult to deal with and especially to have a close relationship with.

Does Trump have Narcissistic Personality Disorder? You Decide
According to DSM-5, individuals with NPD have most (at least five) or all of the symptoms listed below (generally without commensurate qualities or accomplishments).

1 Grandiosity with expectations of superior treatment by others.
2 Fixated on fantasies of power, success, intelligence, attractiveness, etc.
3 Self-perception of being unique, superior, and associated with high-status people and institutions.
4 Needing constant admiration from others.
5 Sense of entitlement to special treatment and to obedience from others.
6 Exploitative of others to achieve personal gain.
7 Unwilling to empathize with others’ feelings, wishes, or needs.
8 Intensely jealous of others and the belief that others are equally jealous of them.
9 Pompous and arrogant demeanor.

Among other criteria, the symptoms must be severe enough to impair the individual’s ability to develop meaningful relationships with others and reduce an individuals ability to function at work. As far as the first of these is concerned, Trump evidently has no close personal friends.

Work function is also an issue. The ghost author of Art of the Deal, Tony Schwartz, found it impossible to interview Trump who quickly became bored. He gleaned most of the necessary information by being a fly on the wall in Trump’s office.

Some of the DSM criteria are less relevant to Trump given his birth to money and life as a plutocrat that guarantee contact with high-status persons and being fawned over as a VIP. For those that are clearly relevant, he checks out on all symptoms, it seems. According to DSM criteria, Donald Trump suffers from narcissistic personality disorder.

Can a Narcissist Function as a US President?
It is, perhaps, no surprise that widely held impressions about Trump’s narcissism are corroborated by the DSM criteria. The key question to ask is whether, having come so far despite his psychiatric disorder, Trump, or any other narcissistic personality can communicate well enough to be an effective leader of the free world.

There have been many narcissistic heads of state before but the clearest examples, such as Fidel Castro, Saddam Hussein, and Hugo Chavez, have been dictators.

Narcissists are difficult to deal with, whether as friends, or as politicians. They do not feel the need to build consensus, which is why most are screened out by democratic systems of government.
 
I think so.... found this online.... I have known TWO with this disorder in my life, they are very, very, very difficult to deal with and especially to have a close relationship with.

Does Trump have Narcissistic Personality Disorder? You Decide
According to DSM-5, individuals with NPD have most (at least five) or all of the symptoms listed below (generally without commensurate qualities or accomplishments).

1 Grandiosity with expectations of superior treatment by others.
2 Fixated on fantasies of power, success, intelligence, attractiveness, etc.
3 Self-perception of being unique, superior, and associated with high-status people and institutions.
4 Needing constant admiration from others.
5 Sense of entitlement to special treatment and to obedience from others.
6 Exploitative of others to achieve personal gain.
7 Unwilling to empathize with others’ feelings, wishes, or needs.
8 Intensely jealous of others and the belief that others are equally jealous of them.
9 Pompous and arrogant demeanor.

Among other criteria, the symptoms must be severe enough to impair the individual’s ability to develop meaningful relationships with others and reduce an individuals ability to function at work. As far as the first of these is concerned, Trump evidently has no close personal friends.

Work function is also an issue. The ghost author of Art of the Deal, Tony Schwartz, found it impossible to interview Trump who quickly became bored. He gleaned most of the necessary information by being a fly on the wall in Trump’s office.

Some of the DSM criteria are less relevant to Trump given his birth to money and life as a plutocrat that guarantee contact with high-status persons and being fawned over as a VIP. For those that are clearly relevant, he checks out on all symptoms, it seems. According to DSM criteria, Donald Trump suffers from narcissistic personality disorder.

Can a Narcissist Function as a US President?
It is, perhaps, no surprise that widely held impressions about Trump’s narcissism are corroborated by the DSM criteria. The key question to ask is whether, having come so far despite his psychiatric disorder, Trump, or any other narcissistic personality can communicate well enough to be an effective leader of the free world.

There have been many narcissistic heads of state before but the clearest examples, such as Fidel Castro, Saddam Hussein, and Hugo Chavez, have been dictators.

Narcissists are difficult to deal with, whether as friends, or as politicians. They do not feel the need to build consensus, which is why most are screened out by democratic systems of government.
Your 9 points perfectly describe Barrack Hussein Obama and Hillary Clinton too. Especially Obama.
 
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Do you at least see the textbook narcissism he exhibits?
Never heard of a politician that wasn't a narcissist. Anyone who thinks they can speak for thousands of other people or think they are above the law is at least a little narcissistic.

There have been many narcissistic heads of state before but the clearest examples, such as Fidel Castro, Saddam Hussein, and Hugo Chavez, have been dictators.
Seriously? Can we just stop trying to compare Trump to dictators? It's just dumb. However, if you are going to play that game then Obama and Clinton should be in that list as well.
 
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Hillary Clinton is dangerous to this country. She is running TV commecials non stop to prove it. 2 points.

In one she rails against the banks not lending money for mortgages. She says in a really bad Obama broken cadence. "If you can dream it then you should be able to build it" drawing out the it. Really? You think being able to afford it might also be important. I dream of a 5 million dollar house , but can I afford it? Hell no. People this is what caused the real estate melt down. People getting loans who could not afford them.

In the other she talks about raising taxes on corporations and using the tax money to create all these jobs to rebuild the infrastructure. Our infrastructure crumbling is the biggest Dem exaggeration going. Do we need improvements? Of course but not mass ones in this terrible economy. Where did we hear this plan before? Where did that money go? We already have the highest corporate taxes in the industrial world and that's why company's are constantly leaving. She also claims she will charge them an exit tax. How by Presidential decree? The government cannot create jobs (other than thousands and thousands of mostly useless ones. This is the biggest fallacy of all time it has never happened (other than WWII).

Of course all the uninformed voters ..cough..cough ..Chick will just eat this up.
Also with Hillary's penchant for lying maybe it is worrying about nothing
 
Of course you do.

He wasn't "clearly" talking about it or we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Not necessarily. We will talk about what the MSM directs us to talk about regardless of how clear it was and they will direct the narrative..
 
I think so.... found this online.... I have known TWO with this disorder in my life, they are very, very, very difficult to deal with and especially to have a close relationship with.

Does Trump have Narcissistic Personality Disorder? You Decide
According to DSM-5, individuals with NPD have most (at least five) or all of the symptoms listed below (generally without commensurate qualities or accomplishments).

1 Grandiosity with expectations of superior treatment by others.
2 Fixated on fantasies of power, success, intelligence, attractiveness, etc.
3 Self-perception of being unique, superior, and associated with high-status people and institutions.
4 Needing constant admiration from others.
5 Sense of entitlement to special treatment and to obedience from others.
6 Exploitative of others to achieve personal gain.
7 Unwilling to empathize with others’ feelings, wishes, or needs.
8 Intensely jealous of others and the belief that others are equally jealous of them.
9 Pompous and arrogant demeanor.

Among other criteria, the symptoms must be severe enough to impair the individual’s ability to develop meaningful relationships with others and reduce an individuals ability to function at work. As far as the first of these is concerned, Trump evidently has no close personal friends.

Work function is also an issue. The ghost author of Art of the Deal, Tony Schwartz, found it impossible to interview Trump who quickly became bored. He gleaned most of the necessary information by being a fly on the wall in Trump’s office.

Some of the DSM criteria are less relevant to Trump given his birth to money and life as a plutocrat that guarantee contact with high-status persons and being fawned over as a VIP. For those that are clearly relevant, he checks out on all symptoms, it seems. According to DSM criteria, Donald Trump suffers from narcissistic personality disorder.

Can a Narcissist Function as a US President?
It is, perhaps, no surprise that widely held impressions about Trump’s narcissism are corroborated by the DSM criteria. The key question to ask is whether, having come so far despite his psychiatric disorder, Trump, or any other narcissistic personality can communicate well enough to be an effective leader of the free world.

There have been many narcissistic heads of state before but the clearest examples, such as Fidel Castro, Saddam Hussein, and Hugo Chavez, have been dictators.

Narcissists are difficult to deal with, whether as friends, or as politicians. They do not feel the need to build consensus, which is why most are screened out by democratic systems of government.
What does DSM say about pathological liars? People who exhibit inappropriate laughter?
 
Hillary Clinton is dangerous to this country. She is running TV commecials non stop to prove it. 2 points.

In one she rails against the banks not lending money for mortgages. She says in a really bad Obama broken cadence. "If you can dream it then you should be able to build it" drawing out the it. Really? You think being able to afford it might also be important. I dream of a 5 million dollar house , but can I afford it? Hell no. People this is what caused the real estate melt down. People getting loans who could not afford them.

In the other she talks about raising taxes on corporations and using the tax money to create all these jobs to rebuild the infrastructure. Our infrastructure crumbling is the biggest Dem exaggeration going. Do we need improvements? Of course but not mass ones in this terrible economy. Where did we hear this plan before? Where did that money go? We already have the highest corporate taxes in the industrial world and that's why company's are constantly leaving. She also claims she will charge them an exit tax. How by Presidential decree? The government cannot create jobs (other than thousands and thousands of mostly useless ones. This is the biggest fallacy of all time it has never happened (other than WWII).

Of course all the uninformed voters ..cough..cough ..Chick will just eat this up.
Also with Hillary's penchant for lying maybe it is worrying about nothing

See - she says these things purely to gain votes. She would say that in her presidency we would have daily public executions of puppies if she thought it would net her more votes.

The average voter is too stupid to realize that the "dream it then build it" thing is what caused the housing meltdown. They're too stupid to realize that overtaxing businesses is bad for the economy. They hear these pie-in-the-sky ideas and vote for it without thinking it out - that's her goal.

The average voter really is stupid. And if they're stupid enough to elect her - they deserve everything they get.
 
Not necessarily. We will talk about what the MSM directs us to talk about regardless of how clear it was and they will direct the narrative..
There were supporters sitting behind Trump when he said it and even their mouths were hanging open. You're really reaching if you blame the MSM for the attention and the unflattering interpretation of what he said.
 
There were supporters sitting behind Trump when he said it and even their mouths were hanging open. You're really reaching if you blame the MSM for the attention and the unflattering interpretation of what he said.
I saw this and my first reaction wasn't to think he is saying someone should assassinate Hillary. Since he was discussing the types of justices she may attempt to appoint and how it could affect the 2nd amendment I really did think he was talking about a large group of voters that wield a considerable amount of power.

I also immediately recognized how dumb it was for Trump to say it the way he did. But that's what he does, he won't lose his core over it. What got him here though may be his biggest weakness. His campaign signaled some time back that his delivery was going to be toned down after the primaries, but that hasn't been the case. I don't think he will do that anyway.
 
I saw this and my first reaction wasn't to think he is saying someone should assassinate Hillary. Since he was discussing the types of justices she may attempt to appoint and how it could affect the 2nd amendment I really did think he was talking about a large group of voters that wield a considerable amount of power.

I also immediately recognized how dumb it was for Trump to say it the way he did. But that's what he does, he won't lose his core over it. What got him here though may be his biggest weakness. His campaign signaled some time back that his delivery was going to be toned down after the primaries, but that hasn't been the case. I don't think he will do that anyway.
His biggest problem is the only support he has is among his core supporters and they don't begin to have enough votes to put him in office.
 
There were supporters sitting behind Trump when he said it and even their mouths were hanging open. You're really reaching if you blame the MSM for the attention and the unflattering interpretation of what he said.
You cannot seriously think that if Hillary said something similar that it would get the same amount of attention.
 
Never heard of a politician that wasn't a narcissist. Anyone who thinks they can speak for thousands of other people or think they are above the law is at least a little narcissistic.


Seriously? Can we just stop trying to compare Trump to dictators? It's just dumb. However, if you are going to play that game then Obama and Clinton should be in that list as well.

This disorder is far beyond thinking you are better than everyone else or above the law. In fact, if you look it up and read on it you will see can be quite dangerous, depending on the degree of the disorder and the individual.

I was not comparing him to dictators, this article did but the thing you need to understand is those characteristics are VERY often found in individuals like those mentioned.

If I really thought he was going to win this election, I would definitely be concerned but this is worth looking into nonetheless.
 
I saw this and my first reaction wasn't to think he is saying someone should assassinate Hillary. Since he was discussing the types of justices she may attempt to appoint and how it could affect the 2nd amendment I really did think he was talking about a large group of voters that wield a considerable amount of power.

I also immediately recognized how dumb it was for Trump to say it the way he did. But that's what he does, he won't lose his core over it. What got him here though may be his biggest weakness. His campaign signaled some time back that his delivery was going to be toned down after the primaries, but that hasn't been the case. I don't think he will do that anyway.

That is another example of his NPD though. He thinks no matter what he says, even though I believe he was probably fairly serious when he said it because obviously that thought had crossed his mind before and he was probably waiting on the right time to say it, he KNOWS there are nutty supporters who will start thinking about that and may even attempt to do something FOR him like that. He is very intelligent and knows exactly what he is doing and how to manipulate. That is one thing NPD people do VERY well. I know for a fact!
 
This disorder is far beyond thinking you are better than everyone else or above the law.
I realize that, but if you don't think all politicians have at least a little narcissism in them, then you don't know much about politicians and/or the disorder.

can be quite dangerous, depending on the degree of the disorder and the individual.
We know that you think that Trump's degree of the disorder is dangerous. Would you say that Hillary's degree of the disorder is not? If not, why? Seems clear to me that she is just as much as he is. She's just smart enough to phrase it in the right way.

I was not comparing him to dictators, this article did
And you implied that you agreed with it by posting that article. There have been plenty of articles written about him being narcissistic. It would be easy to find one that didn't compare him to dictators.
 
That is another example of his NPD though. He thinks no matter what he says, even though I believe he was probably fairly serious when he said it because obviously that thought had crossed his mind before and he was probably waiting on the right time to say it, he KNOWS there are nutty supporters who will start thinking about that and may even attempt to do something FOR him like that. He is very intelligent and knows exactly what he is doing and how to manipulate. That is one thing NPD people do VERY well. I know for a fact!
Clearly, you are not a doctor or anyone closely qualified to diagnose him. So you'll have to forgive me if I dismiss out of hand most of what you poast. Hell, I'd even half believe you weren't voting Hillary if you weren't dedicating 100% of your efforts here bashing her only real opponent. If I was as "enlightened" as you I'd be equally concerned with both establishments candidates.
 
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I realize that, but if you don't think all politicians have at least a little narcissism in them, then you don't know much about politicians and/or the disorder.


We know that you think that Trump's degree of the disorder is dangerous. Would you say that Hillary's degree of the disorder is not? If not, why? Seems clear to me that she is just as much as he is. She's just smart enough to phrase it in the right way.


And you implied that you agreed with it by posting that article. There have been plenty of articles written about him being narcissistic. It would be easy to find one that didn't compare him to dictators.

Hillary has an entirely different disorder, just as bad though.

As for Trump having traits similar to those dictators, absolutely I do think he does, but I meant that was not something I came to my own conclusion on, the article stated it, not me. Yes, I agree with it though.

I am sure all politicians or public figures have some degree, perhaps. I'd have to look into that more though. It could be something different for people who are just okay with being a public figure and not necessarily NPD. NPD isn't always connected with wanting to be famous or in the public eye. It is more of a control thing. My ex did not want to be famous but he certainly wanted to control EVERYTHING and if you did not agree with it, you had a serious problem, not him and you were completely stupid, not him and he never let you forget it. He's also an extreme right wing conservative too.
 
Clearly, you are not a doctor or anyone closely qualified to diagnose him. So you'll have to forgive me if I dismiss out of hand most of what you poast. Hell, I'd even half believe you weren't voting Hillary if you weren't dedicating 100% of your efforts here bashing her only real opponent. If I was as "enlightened" as you I'd be equally concerned with both establishments candidates.

LOL, I do know a lot about this disorder. I almost married it! So I did my homework. If you cannot see that Trump has it, perhaps you should do some serious research on it.

Hillary has other issues and I do not trust her either. She's on the dark side of politics and I'd give anything to see her not win this election but sadly I believe she will. I'd love for all the Trump supporters to see how he truly is because I would love for them to go third party and put her out too!
 
His biggest problem is the only support he has is among his core supporters and they don't begin to have enough votes to put him in office.

I think he also has the support of the majority of people that will vote against Hillary... even those that aren't his core supporters.

I will be voting against Hillary in November. If the race is deemed to be close, I will vote for Trump. If it's not going to be close, I'll vote for Johnson. I think there are a lot of people out there that think similarly. Which is why the (majority left leaning) media is trying to paint the picture that this is a blowout - so that people like me will vote Johnson instead of Trump.
 
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Exactly. Obama epitomizes the word narcissist. In his DNC speech promoting Hillary, he references himself 119 times! Obama loves him some Obama.

Guys, it is not about a self promoting thing only, there are MANY traits of this disorder. Obama doesn't have it. He is just like most of us when we are in front of a group and have to explain ourselves or whatever. He does not have these traits. He is too lax to have it. He needs to have more of it in him, actually, to be a bit more aggressive than he is. He has other issues too, like Hillary.
 
Guys, it is not about a self promoting thing only, there are MANY traits of this disorder. Obama doesn't have it. He is just like most of us when we are in front of a group and have to explain ourselves or whatever. He does not have these traits. He is too lax to have it. He needs to have more of it in him, actually, to be a bit more aggressive than he is. He has other issues too, like Hillary.
You are delusional. Obama is a textbook narcissist..
 
Guys, it is not about a self promoting thing only, there are MANY traits of this disorder. Obama doesn't have it. He is just like most of us when we are in front of a group and have to explain ourselves or whatever. He does not have these traits. He is too lax to have it. He needs to have more of it in him, actually, to be a bit more aggressive than he is. He has other issues too, like Hillary.
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