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Claiming that there is no doubt is not proof of the man's intelligence.
And again, your point about Clinton is admittedly that he is a great salesman. Still waiting for proof of intelligence and given that Bill married Hillary, you probably have a better shot proving Obama is smart.
Well, he graduated in the top 15% at Harvard. He has an IQ of 145. He's very articulate and a strong orator. Now, that can be called a good bullshitter, too, and I'd agree. I don't care for his politics. I don't care for most politics. But, if you remain unconvinced that Obama is intelligent, then it's probably your own politics that are guiding your decision.
Harvard doesn't give class rank (and before you reference that he was Magna Cum Laude, check to see how many Harvard graduates in his graduating class received similar accolades. MCL then is not the same as MCL now)
And who knows what his IQ is?
I have no opinion as to whether or not he is unusually intelligent.
Not wanting to be president would be a good starting point.
Well I guess that makes sense, since he is just as much white as he is black. He just happens to be more black than you are. He's less black than say, Nelson Mandela.
There again, I don't find myself having a conscious acknowledgment of a person's race.
However, I do notice if they're overweight and/or fat. So, I've got other issues.
I don't know. I'm not convinced either that Obama is the genius that some have made him out to be. I know as a black man, getting into Harvard is easier than if I attempted it. I know that we are often quick to talk about how articulate black men are (as if they can't or shouldn't be - Hello Uncle Joe!). And I think the scale gets skewed when we talk about Obama's intelligence. Look, I'm sure the guy is bright. I'm not denying that just because I think he has twisted beliefs. But I'm also not ready to recognize him as some rocket scientists either. He made a career as a "community organizer" and in politics. Neither of those professions require great acuity. So I agree with strum's statement that he might just be a terrific bullshitter.
For me, I couldn't care less about IQ level. I respect emotional intelligence far more than intellectual intelligence. How one operates in social settings is a tell for me. The choices one makes, self-awareness, learning from past experiences and intuition are much more valuable in real life than any kind of IQ score. There's a nuclear business here in town called The Babcock and Wilcox Company (B&W). I solicit the corp and their employees several times a year for donations., meaning I have lots of interaction with these "genius" nuclear engineers. And I can tell you with certainty, I wouldn't leave my dog in the care of many of them. I find it remarkable that someone "so smart" can appear dumber than a bag of hammers.
C'mon man,...you don't notice when you do or do not share similar features with people? I'm not sure I can believe that because:
So obviously, people's physical appearance is noticeable. How can that be explained?
Noticing dissimilar features doesn't include EVERY feature. I would imagine it would be the ones that you personally find to be important about yourself (like or dislike).
Consider that I had a long-term, live-in girlfriend who was black. So, that was probably a lot to do with the "normalcy" of that aesthetic. That may explain it.
Right!
And, I think that has resulted in the present state of mind. It must have! I'm glad you went to the trouble to find that!
That was a little bit tongue in cheek.
But I do have a hard time figuring out why any sensible person would want to be president.
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I said "unusually intelligent"
I'm not denying Obama is smarter than average. But then again, think about how stupid the average person is and then realize that 50% of the population is even more stupid than that person.
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Well no, he's not a genius. But I don't think it's unreasonable to say he's very intelligent.
One of the smartest people I've ever met was my high school valedictorian. Incredible recall, quickly understands complex issues, creative thinker who sees nuances not apparent to others, etc. I remember studying for AP History exams with him and feeling like a dolt. Anyway, he also went to Harvard Law School where graduated cum laude. If Obama is at least as smart as him, then Obama can easily be described as very intelligent. This isn't hard.
Well, we're in super-subjective territory now. I'm not sure I'd want to be "unusually intelligent." I fear I may be, now.
And, yes, there's an abundance of stupid.
Obama might have gotten help getting into Harvard Law. But they don't elect just anyone to editor of The Harvard Law Review.
And our very own @gunslingerdick makes the argument for Obama above. I'd say his EQ is much higher than his IQ.
And our very own @gunslingerdick makes the argument for Obama above. I'd say his EQ is much higher than his IQ.
I dunno. I doubt it. Apparently, even in some black cultures, the darker you are, the more likely you are to be ostracized, or it's less-appealing, or something.
And interestingly, he is the ONLY editor of that publication to never have a single word published in it.
The point is that doesn't necessarily mean he is highly intelligent.
From Wiki-From the 1880s to the 1970s, editors were selected on the basis of their grades; the president of the Review was the student with the highest academic rank. The first female editor of the journal was Priscilla Holmes (1953-1955, Volumes 67-68);[3] the first woman to serve as the journal's president was Susan Estrich (1977), who later was active in Democratic Party politics and became the youngest woman to receive tenure at Harvard Law School; its first non-white ethnic minority president was Raj Marphatia (1988, Volume 101), who is now a partner at the Boston law firm of Ropes & Gray;[4][5][6] its first African-American president was the 44th President of the United States Barack Obama (1991);[7][8] its first openly gay president was Mitchell Reich (2011);[9] its first Latino president was Andrew M. Crespo.[10] The first female African-American president, ImeIme Umana, was elected in 2017.[11]
Since the change of criteria in the 1970s, grades are no longer the primary basis of selection for editors. Membership in the Harvard Law Review is offered to select Harvard law students based on first-year grades and performance in a writing competition held at the end of the first year except for twelve slots that are offered on a discretionary basis.[12][13][14] The writing competition includes two components: an edit of an unpublished article and an analysis of a recent United States Supreme Court or Court of Appeals case.[12] The writing competition submissions are graded blindly to assure anonymity.[14][15] Fourteen editors (two from each 1L section) are selected based on a combination of their first-year grades and their competition scores. Twenty editors are selected based solely on their competition scores. The remaining twelve editors are selected on a discretionary basis. According to the law review's webpage, "Some of these discretionary slots may be used to implement the Review's affirmative action policy."[12] The president of the Harvard Law Review is elected by the other editors.[13][16]
Key parts: Since the change of criteria in the 1970s, grades are no longer the primary basis of selection for editors.
The remaining twelve editors are selected on a discretionary basis. According to the law review's webpage, "Some of these discretionary slots may be used to implement the Review's affirmative action policy."[
This conversation is weird to me. There has never been a stupid president regardless of what some here seem to think. Some of them may have been of average intelligence instead of above average, but you don't get elected to the highest office in the land if you're stupid.
And, even if you are, it's not like the president is a King!
No reaching necessary. You said they don't just elect anyone to editor of Harvard Law Review, and I supplied information that indicates that, Yes, they do kind of elect anyone to be editor.
I know that doesn't fit with the "Obama is a genius" narrative.
Bonus question: Who is the only president ever to have an MBA from Harvard?
No, they just don't elect anyone to be the editor of the HLR, despite whatever nonsense you are peddling.
I believe that would be GWB, right?
Umm, he just provided proof of that. Wait a minute...is this like when @strummingram said history can be whatever he remembers it as?
