Two members of Roanoke/Lynchburg WDBJ TV crew killed during live broadcast
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Ok. I'm in favor of gun laws...that don't effect me... or anyone else I deem responsible.
Well they went that direction because they obviously couldn't play the race card/hate crime thingy.
Nope. If I'm unarmed, my odds are better against someone with a knife than against someone with a gun. Same if I only have a baseball bat, etc.
Yes, YOUR odds are better if YOU have a gun but that's the kind of thinking that perpetuates the problem.
It's also the kind of thinking that keeps me and my family safe.
But at the same time ensures they're not actually safe at school, at church, at the movies, or anywhere else. Quite a conundrum.
'tis indeed. But if nothing else, I can take comfort in the fact that I have a bit of control sometimes. That beats no control anytime.
It's not a fact. It's an illusion. You could be sitting at church or in the movies when some deranged lunatic starts spraying bullets everywhere and you'll all be dead before you even have a chance to respond.
I could also be sitting on the porch of our cabin at the river when a bunch maniacs run up on us. And being armed, my chances of keeping me and my family safe are greater.
We can come up with hypotheticals all day long.
Requiring a psychiatric evaluation to get a license to buy guns seems like common sense to me. As long as you're a sane person I don't have a problem with anyone owning a freaking Barret .50cal. Just invite me over to shoot it
No mattèr how things are legislated, there will be loopholes and cracks people will slip thru. I worry daily for my friends and family members, but I know that they have been trained in hand to hand and weapons by me. But prayer will go further at protecting them unless it's their time. No one knows when their time is done, nor how the end will be. All we can do is have faith and keep the .40 cal nearby.
Shooter wanted a race war.
Question: Where is the Obama presser for a black racially-motivated killer gunning down two white people in cold blood?
Question: Where is the Obama presser for a black racially-motivated killer gunning down two white people in cold blood?
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Glad I was out all day and unable to read or respond to any of this.
The world is a nasty place these days. I vascilate between wanting to ban all handguns to wanting to just get one of my own.
But I do lay a lot of blame at Obamas feet. If you are going to make an issue out of white racists, then you need to make an issue out of black racists. He has done nothing but made race relations in this country exponentially worse and it will be a long time before we recover, if ever.
The world is a nasty place these days. I vascilate between wanting to ban all handguns to wanting to just get one of my own.
But I do lay a lot of blame at Obamas feet. If you are going to make an issue out of white racists, then you need to make an issue out of black racists. He has done nothing but made race relations in this country exponentially worse and it will be a long time before we recover, if ever.
FFS that's asinine. Obama didn't make this guy do what he did, any more than the flag made the Charleston shooter do it. Let's stop pointing fingers anywhere but the one place they belong - which is squarely on the actual perpetrators of these crimes.
How many fingers were pointed at the confederate flag aftwr Dylan Roof, FFS?
How many times has white racism been highlighted as motive for crime, but black racism is completely ignored, FFS?
People always want to stop pointing fingers when it doesnt fit their agenda, but are quick to again point fingers at the next opportunity. Hypocrisy more than anything else is killing society, IMO.
Then why is Obama and other DEMs pointing the finger away from the shooter and toward the gun? Answer: for political gain.
I thought I stated pretty clearly that I disagree with reassigning blame in either case. But have fun jousting with those strawmen.
No kidding. Like an evaluation would make a difference. With people that think like boy no wonder we are so screwed up.
Yes but fingers were pointed after Roof and those same people now have gone mute. My post was about that.
What did you say about Roof when that went down? That he was a loon or that he was an example of racism?
Before I acquired my conceal carry permit, I could purchase an illegal pistol much easier than a legal one. The problem with the government monitoring us and determining who can purchase, how soon till it bleeds into other areas. I don't trust them simply because the model citizens would suffer. There is nothing we can do about these peoe doing these things. They are a product of the times. Maybe we need a big island loaded with weapons so rasist can go settle their differences.
That's kind of where I am, too. Except I already have a gun in the house. It's not loaded, or handy, so it would be pretty ineffectual unless I had a couple minutes' advance notice. I imagine the same is true for most people, so maybe it's time to start carrying them everywhere.
Precisely what about that policy could be deemed socialist? Do you know what the word socialist means? Do you even know what Euro is short for? Frankly I'm surprised you can even find the power button to a computer, much less access the internet...
Why are you so worried about psychological evaluations? Scared you'll fail?
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Nonsense. Idk where you live but in SC you can buy a gun in a private sale without filing a single piece of paperwork, and without any kind of background check. If that's more difficult than locating an illegal arms dealer then we obviously operate in very different social circles...
If you knew anything whatsoever about psychology you would know it's actually not that difficult to spot people with psychotic or violently anti-social tendencies. A simple mirror would probably work in your case. Will an examination catch 100% of the crazies? No. Is that valid argument against an examination? Not even close.
There isn't even a requirement to demonstrate you know gun safety to buy a gun in SC. Yet you have to take a test, and demonstrate you can safely operate a vehicle to get a driver's license...
So we should do away with all regulations and let anyone drive who can afford to buy a car?
Never said that. Just saying it does not take much to pass a driving test. And regarding handguns just because you demonstrate safety in a test would not make you sane. The gay punk in VA sure knew how to handle one, problem is nobody was around to blow him away.
Safety demonstration and psychological evaluations are two different things. I clearly said they would not catch everyone. But it would do a lot of good, just like the tests for getting a driver's license.
Surely you wouldn't be opposed to a gun safety test before someone gets a gun license?... There are a lot more accidental deaths as a result of firearms than there are crazies that commit this kind of obscenity
So the alternative solution you're proposing is to have someone armed at all places all the time to prevent this kind of thing? That's far less sensible than basic background checks, mental evaluations, and safety courses
Surely you wouldn't be opposed to a gun safety test before someone gets a gun license?... There are a lot more accidental deaths as a result of firearms than there are crazies that commit this kind of obscenity
So the alternative solution you're proposing is to have someone armed at all places all the time to prevent this kind of thing? That's far less sensible than basic background checks, mental evaluations, and safety courses
No I would not be opposed to safety test but would do no good. And would be fine with people carrying. I do. And I guarantee you crime would decrease. We just disagree. Frankly I don't know what we would agree on except UNC. Maybe I'm wrong???
I'm fine with people carrying as well, so long as those people are sane and well trained in gun safety.
I'm not even remotely anti-gun. I just don't think it should be easier to buy a gun than a car. But there is an entire culture in America that somehow seems to think that any restriction or regulation on purchasing guns is an attack on their freedom.
I'm quite sure you can't purchase a pistol that easy. In NC it requires a permit unless it's a private sale. Shotguns and rifles are a different story
And if you would step back from your aggressive defensive stance you would see that the majority of guns ownwers would agree on a more extensive background check. What scares the gun owner community is the libs would really love to completely disarm this nation. Once the government finds a new avenue for monitoring or control or deems it taxable then they take advantage. I really don't trust them to honor a more extensive check. It now takes 2-3 months to get a conceal carry permit. Most of that revolves around the background check. I would be OK with people being required this for all guns purchases, not just pistols.
Yes, I do. But, all that really matters in this context is that 'boy = socialist => that's all that matters.
The entire concept screwed up!!! What if I told you I want a psych eval on you because you buy into Euro-Socialist policies, which is your right as a citizen? Would you like that idea? Owning a handgun is a Constitutional right. Requiring a psych eval would constitute an unreasonable burden on citizens excerising that right.
How would you like it if YOU ended up on that list after having committed no crimes?
It's all good until it get's pointed at you, isn't it? Highly impractical and even more invasive. I'm glad you're not in charge!
I missed most of this exchange since mid afternoon yesterday, but my wife and I have wrestled with the notion of whether we should / should not go get our carry license and gun as well. We have friends who were high up in the military and some who were high ranking police officers as well who have offered numerous times to give us both the best training available on those things. But unless you have the gun readily-available and ready to use at any given, unexpecting moment, it would be useless to even have it. But I am more afraid of kids finding it and those ensuing accidents that would just be unbearable to live with if that ever were to happen...so we have not gone down that road. Way too many times we see on the news that a toddler or elementary-aged kid fumbled around, found the weapon, used it as a toy....then tragedy. It's really a double-edged sword -- when you work 60+ hour weeks, have the house to attend to, meals, etc etc etc...you simply cannot expect to have 100% supervision. That's why we have iPad, television, art activities, etc....to keep them occupied. All it takes is a split second. So, rather than worry about it, we just haven't gotten any weapon at all. The other side to it, and maybe this is outdated in today's world -- I was raised with the "Friday" mentality..."Put down the gun, son...you might lose the fight, but you live...you live to fight another day."
But as I was alluding to yesterday - I don't give two sh!ts about finger pointing. I don't really care who is to blame, where they came from, what their nationality is, what language they speak, whether or not they can count to 10, stand on their head and gargle peanut-butter, etc...I really don't care. Bottom line, we as a society have to stop it. Everyone sits back and expressed deepest sorrows about these things when they happen, but once the media outlets have moved on to the next ratings-grabbing story, everyone finger-points for a little while, and ultimately we fall back into our daily routine and forget the event happened...until it happens again. Rinse and Repeat...
But as I was alluding to yesterday - I don't give two sh!ts about finger pointing. I don't really care who is to blame, where they came from, what their nationality is, what language they speak, whether or not they can count to 10, stand on their head and gargle peanut-butter, etc...I really don't care. Bottom line, we as a society have to stop it. Everyone sits back and expressed deepest sorrows about these things when they happen, but once the media outlets have moved on to the next ratings-grabbing story, everyone finger-points for a little while, and ultimately we fall back into our daily routine and forget the event happened...until it happens again. Rinse and Repeat...
