I don't think so roseheel, the thinking was we could submit the womens and soccer stuff that we found and it would allow for a simple add to the NOA we had in hand and not have that delay the time line down the road. Truth is well at least IMO, UNC was not really going to fight the NOA that we received, they wanted some clarification on a couple points but I don't think that was going to be a long drawn out battle if it did not include any men's basketball or football scholly reductions or post season bans. The general feeling was we would have to pay a fine and have probation for a time as well as implement programs to prevent this type of thing that have already been put in place. To modify by adding the woman's stuff and soccer should not change anything other than what may be done to the womens program.
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I don't think so roseheel, the thinking was we could submit the womens and soccer stuff that we found and it would allow for a simple add to the NOA we had in hand and not have that delay the time line down the road. Truth is well at least IMO, UNC was not really going to fight the NOA that we received, they wanted some clarification on a couple points but I don't think that was going to be a long drawn out battle if it did not include any men's basketball or football scholly reductions or post season bans. The general feeling was we would have to pay a fine and have probation for a time as well as implement programs to prevent this type of thing that have already been put in place. To modify by adding the woman's stuff and soccer should not change anything other than what may be done to the womens program.
http://www.scout.com/college/north-carolina/story/1663061-the-ncaa-s-1-a-dilemma
Sorry to link to a page on TOS but I just read this article laying out the NCAA's problem in punishing us and felt it should be required reading for any interested in this topic. It lays out the issue really well and I think it fits in really well with the impermissible benefits discussion I have been talking about on replies in this thread.
Sorry to link to a page on TOS but I just read this article laying out the NCAA's problem in punishing us and felt it should be required reading for any interested in this topic. It lays out the issue really well and I think it fits in really well with the impermissible benefits discussion I have been talking about on replies in this thread.
The University has already implemented many of the suggested changes so I'm feeling the "amendment" to the NOA isn't harsh as to results/penalties and so forth. I am thinking that the NCAA has picked up the corner of Momma's nice Persian rug and found a dust bin of stuff that is not UNC related.
If you watched Bledsoe when he committed to UK you'd know there was NO WAY he was passing any college class. He could barely speak English. It was painful to watch & listen to.
No penalty, small penalty, big penalty?
Decision soon or dragged out?
My own gut tells me the men's basketball program will receive a small penalty or none at all - with predictable whining from the usual suspects.
But I worry that the decision will drag on and on, continuing to have a negative impact on recruiting and school image.
Question for those who know more, can there be a ruling on the men's basketball program by itself, or do we have to wait for a ruling on all aspects of this mess? From what others have said, the women's basketball program and soccer are more likely to feel the pain. As a consequence, they may not be in any hurry to resolve things. But I think all of us MBB fans want this done with yesterday.
Decision soon or dragged out?
My own gut tells me the men's basketball program will receive a small penalty or none at all - with predictable whining from the usual suspects.
But I worry that the decision will drag on and on, continuing to have a negative impact on recruiting and school image.
Question for those who know more, can there be a ruling on the men's basketball program by itself, or do we have to wait for a ruling on all aspects of this mess? From what others have said, the women's basketball program and soccer are more likely to feel the pain. As a consequence, they may not be in any hurry to resolve things. But I think all of us MBB fans want this done with yesterday.
Given Roy's preference for having and playing a deep bench, that would hurt UNC a lot more than it would many other schools.
Which is to say that some might consider it a slap on the wrist but for a depth-oriented team style, it really isn't.
I honestly do not see us getting anything specific to men's basketball or football. I think the athletic department may get hit with the lack of institutional control only because the NCAA can not hit the academic side of the school with anything. That I suspect will be a big fine and probation, the women's team IMO gets hammered with likely both schollys and a post season ban for at least a year, maybe 2.
But in the last NOA there was nothing specific about men's BB or FB and I would think to hit them specifically it would take specific allegations against those 2 teams to get specific punishment. The NCAA is not going to ban EVERY sport that UNC participates in under NCAA sanction and to specifically punish a single sport there would have to be specific charges in the NOA pertaining to that specific team and that did not exist in the last NOA we got.
Why are you scared of unisex bathrooms?
I hope that other program is whoever you pull for.
Get the hell out of here will you? There's a whole thread on the main board about this. Go troll somewhere else
sure i can, i just did.
be glad i didn't blame the ncaa for intentionally dragging this out to hurt carolina...cause you know, those people exist out there, in the same world i live in.
MIkey, IMO this is a very important thread topic, I think we all have opinions and thoughts to share and for the most part it has been reasonable discussion. I don't mind of rival fans want to partake in this discussion but they can at very least be respectful when they do. They would simply not be allowed to create their own facts just to come out to the ending they so desire.
I honestly feel they are setting themselves up for a major let down and I do not see what is hard to understand about this being an academic problem rather than a athletic one. I think most of them, even if they do not want to admit understand that what they dream of us being punished like is not going to happen and I think most of them even realize that it shouldn't. They wanted to believe we created phoney classes just to keep athletes qualified to play and they see that actually did not happen but they already dreamed the dream and now they can not accept that it was only a dream, that the reality is not what they dreamed it would be.
All I can say, it sucks to be them !
I have to disagree slightly with you above. I think we should brace ourselves for the worst.
And believe me, most Duke and Kentucky fans want to see us get the hammer. Hold no illusions about that, they think we cheated and that we should be punished accordingly.
And believe me, most Duke and Kentucky fans want to see us get the hammer. Hold no illusions about that, they think we cheated and that we should be punished accordingly.
people, fans, admirers, need to brace themselves for abc'ers being even more upset at carolina.
just make sure you understand how to argue your point and touch every base...don't look foolish when explaining why nothing happened to men bball and football.
just make sure you understand how to argue your point and touch every base...don't look foolish when explaining why nothing happened to men bball and football.
First and foremost is the NCAA Championship game...
In my view UNC has already been punished (all, imo)...
12 and YOU are certain...?
Someone take out the garbage please... Thanks in advance...
The hell?
Just because I have a different opinion on this than you doesn't mean it's "garbage". Why should I be a blind optimist? I think this is pretty serious what we're facing. I'll rejoice if we don't get hit with anything serious, but that doesn't mean there still isn't a possibility
No reason to infight guys, of course we will not know until we know, this thread has tried to be about speculation based on known facts. It has not, at least in my part of it been about spin or media creation. It is fact that we have already received a NOA and the ONLY change to that NOA is/was supposed to be a modification for the issues we discovered in women's basketball and soccer. I speculate that the men's basketball and football teams will not have any specific wording that would cost them schollys or post season bans because in the last NOA there was not specific language indicating there would be, That is not to optimistic or pessimistic that is simple logic.
I am not speculating when I take the NCAAs new language of benefits that are not permitted and apply those to what the NOA contained. It either fits the definition or it don't based on the NOA and the investigations and in the case of men's BB and FB I do not see how it does. I believe I have been very clear in why I say this in my post early in this thread. So rather than question my statement here, go read what I said that framed this opinion and dispute that if you disagree.
Here is a little fact I have yet to discuss about this, a snippet has already been seen if you paid attention to the link I posted in another reply in this thread. UNC has been "discussing" the language in the original NOA with the NCAA ever since we originally received it the first time and all the way thru today. The school and the NCAA has been discussing and clarifying this all along, many seem to feel everything stopped when we sent them the additional information on womens basketball and soccer, it did not stop anything. This while Roy has been public in his belief that the men's teams would not get the hammer. I speculate that Roy may have been clued in based on that on going communication between the school and the NCAA? I could not imagine the school not sharing what it knows from that on going communication with Roy any more than I could buy that Roy on his own, knowing no more than any one here decided to roll the deice and gamble we would not get the hammer. Roy is just not the kind of guy to go off on his own and say something publically without knowing something pretty darn concrete.
Honestly right now (speculation) I believe the only point being worked out is how hard the women's teams will be hit. I think the NCAA is inclined to hit them really hard to try to pasify the media as much as they can because they know when they announce the men's teams are not going to be hit specifically there is going to be a media melt down and rival fan bases are going to go insane. The media has whipped up so much anti UNC BS that fed directly in to the passionate hatred of UNC by many fan bases that this has in some way become the NCAAs version of the OJ trial.
I am not speculating when I take the NCAAs new language of benefits that are not permitted and apply those to what the NOA contained. It either fits the definition or it don't based on the NOA and the investigations and in the case of men's BB and FB I do not see how it does. I believe I have been very clear in why I say this in my post early in this thread. So rather than question my statement here, go read what I said that framed this opinion and dispute that if you disagree.
Here is a little fact I have yet to discuss about this, a snippet has already been seen if you paid attention to the link I posted in another reply in this thread. UNC has been "discussing" the language in the original NOA with the NCAA ever since we originally received it the first time and all the way thru today. The school and the NCAA has been discussing and clarifying this all along, many seem to feel everything stopped when we sent them the additional information on womens basketball and soccer, it did not stop anything. This while Roy has been public in his belief that the men's teams would not get the hammer. I speculate that Roy may have been clued in based on that on going communication between the school and the NCAA? I could not imagine the school not sharing what it knows from that on going communication with Roy any more than I could buy that Roy on his own, knowing no more than any one here decided to roll the deice and gamble we would not get the hammer. Roy is just not the kind of guy to go off on his own and say something publically without knowing something pretty darn concrete.
Honestly right now (speculation) I believe the only point being worked out is how hard the women's teams will be hit. I think the NCAA is inclined to hit them really hard to try to pasify the media as much as they can because they know when they announce the men's teams are not going to be hit specifically there is going to be a media melt down and rival fan bases are going to go insane. The media has whipped up so much anti UNC BS that fed directly in to the passionate hatred of UNC by many fan bases that this has in some way become the NCAAs version of the OJ trial.
Is there a reason why you're so hell bent on being hostile every time someone has a difference of opinion than yourself?
Just curious....
Do ya really think they actually think we cheated or is it just the perfect excuse for them to take free shots at us and have other fan bases agree with them? I actually don't believe most duke or Ky fans really believe we cheated, at least don't believe we cheated doing anything that is not going on at their school right now today.
I actually think most of them know that their athletes get special treatment when it comes to classes and the work done for them to pass. I think most of them actually do know that those programs their athletes cluster in are geared so that athletes do not have to stress over them like typical students have to stress over their majors.
I mean in 2016 with so much information available I would hope any rival fan would realize that scholarship athletes do get benefits that typical students do not get. I read recently that the duke 3yr sociology program that K had created for his players to graduate with their degree in 3yrs has 98% enrollment of scholarship athletes and only a token 2% of regular students? Heck, that 2% could well be team managers that are still associated with the AD dept. Duke fans are not idiots, well not all of them at least, well a couple here or there are not idiots at least. They know about these things, they just hate UNC and enjoy the op to get a free shot in on us. Ky fans much the same, they hate us but will take the free shot and try to spin things like they have the moral high ground, that is comedy in itself. Now wuffie fans, yeah, they may be dumb enough to believe we cheated but hey, thats NC State, what do ya expect!
Anyone have any info on what the new NOA will have in it?
Rumors are it will bury the MBB team.... Notice I said RUMORS.
Rumors are it will bury the MBB team.... Notice I said RUMORS.
I realize you specified "rumors", but could you give any more clarification on that? How could we go from "WBB gets the brunt" to "MBB gets buried"? That just seems extremely farfetch'd, but maybe someone else can chime in.
It can't be worse than the first one and that one wasnt going to bury ajything but womens bball.
well, i won't poast what he's said, but let's just say taking extra time might prove continued ignorance.
As in we should be worried that MBB is going to be buried in the new NOA? Or not worried?
I tend to agree with you. It seems like a complete 360 to go from MBB will get nothing to now (according to that Twitter feed) MBB will loose the 93 & 05 banner, 2-3 years no post season.
I'm thinking (hoping) it's a UK or State fan talking crap.
I'm sticking with what roy said,the bball program is fine.You guys can believe that twiiter crap all you want.
