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UNC vs Clemson game thread

Call me fiery/confrontational whatever but I would have much preferred to see Roy go back at him and tell him to calm his ass down and be professional or get out of my damn face with that bullshit. Our team needs an edge and Roy can help instill that from the top.
There is no doubt Roy is over-the-top apologetic and complimentary to other teams and coaches, critical of his own....some of his trying to emulate Dean a bit, some of it is what I guess he thinks passes as folksy aw-shucks endearing southern modesty.

I can't stand it. Its sort of like when he says the other coach outcoached him after certain losses. What is that sort of comment supposed to accomplish? Letting us know he "feels bad" or "feels he performed poorly"? I'd prefer he just have more of an edge, a bit more of a "defend our guys and our program".... without being over the top like Bobby Knight or Coach K.
 
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There is no doubt Roy is over-the-top apologetic and complimentary to other teams and coaches, critical of his own....some of his trying to emulate Dean a bit, some of it is what I guess he thinks passes as folksy aw-shucks endearing southern modesty.

I can't stand it. Its sort of like when he says the other coach outcoached him after certain losses. What is that sort of comment supposed to accomplish? Letting us know he "feels bad' feels he performed poorly"? I'd prefer he just have more of an edge, a bit more of a "defend our guys and our program".... without being over the top like Bobby Knight or Coach K.
Roy's professional demeanor is what I like about him the most. He gets riled-up for the guys and cheers them on. I think he genuinely felt some culpability to have that kind of reaction. And, he may have known that his reaction to Brownell's reaction made Brownell look worse!
 
Call me fiery/confrontational whatever but I would have much preferred to see Roy go back at him and tell him to calm his ass down and be professional or get out of my damn face with that bullshit. Our team needs an edge and Roy can help instill that from the top.

I agree 100%......if you have a problem with me come see me after the game...don't do it in the hand shake line! Had a coach do that to me one time as he was shaking my hand he would not let go...stared complaining to me....I pulled my hand away and told him to back off and stop acting like a dang fool!!!! Punk
 
KM said something mean to the Clemson players... Are you serious??? THAT is what this guy is pissed about ?????Oh my God This guy Brownell just went down a few notches in my book.... grow a set will ya???
 
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Without a doubt.

I actually think it Roy did a pretty good job considering he had no idea what was coming. I would not have handled it that well. I know that.


How many of us including myself have questioned the toughness of KM? So if the guy gets an edge then we should be congratulating that. It is time he talked some trash and perhaps gets an edge to his passive game. There is no way he will jump higher because of an attitude but to toughen up will improve his game immensely. I have no idea what he said so my opinion could change if the details are over the top but for a coach to go ballistic over a kids taunt makes me wonder about his stability.
 
Absolutely. Roy not calling TOs in one thing. Has Roy instilled the fear of God in his players too that they can't call one single TO even to certainly save a possession / turnover. Infuriating.

The 'heels had the possession arrow, if tied up they would have retained the ball, without a precious TO! :)
Teams never seen to be aware of this.
 
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The 'heels had the possession arrow, if tied up they would have retained the ball, without a precious TO! :)
Teams never seen to be aware of this.

That's not really a valid point. It flips the possession arrow, so would still effectively be worth half a turnover. I'd much rather use a timeout.
 
Roy shoulda told him to stop bringing in a Rugby team to play basketball, and to go pack sand where the sun don't shine! Klempsum ALWAYS fouls constantly, no matter who coaches them. Maybe it's those ugly orange jerseys that makes 'em do it. I would hate having to wear one of those too.
 
I'm with ya.
Never going to happen, but I'd start Berry Jackson Pinson Williams and Bradley when TP gets back.

Its not like right now Meeks is giving us anything unless he gets some unguarded layup. And neither Hicks nor Meeks work nearly hard enough right now to post up, get the ball, then finish strong. I have more faith in Maye finishing strong, than I do in Meeks. And at least Bradley tries to dunk it when he gets it down low.... even if he has a guy defender hanging on him.

What game were you watching? Meeks had 14 points and 16 freaking rebounds! Add 4 assists 2 steals and 2 blocks. 4-5 from the line, and was fouled without call on at least half his misses. If Meeks wasn't battling his ass off we would have lost by double digits.
 
I'm with ya.
Never going to happen, but I'd start Berry Jackson Pinson Williams and Bradley when TP gets back.

Its not like right now Meeks is giving us anything unless he gets some unguarded layup. And neither Hicks nor Meeks work nearly hard enough right now to post up, get the ball, then finish strong. I have more faith in Maye finishing strong, than I do in Meeks. And at least Bradley tries to dunk it when he gets it down low.... even if he has a guy defender hanging on him.


You sir are a complete moron..... I think you must have been watching something else. At least do yourself a favor and look at the box score before making some ridiculous comments like that. Without him tonight we lose this game easily!!!!
 
I'm not here to start anything, but the word is (from someone right behind the bench) that Meeks said something "inappropriate" to either Brad Brownell or one of the assistant coaches. It wasn't the layup.
 
What happens if they foul him and then we miss front end of a 1-1??? Take the free points especially since we arent guaranteed at the line
There was no one within 30 feet of him. So lets say they run him down and foul him. They have maybe 3 seconds left then. He misses the front end of the 1 and 1... they have 3 seconds if they get the rebound and are down by 4 points. Yeah.

Anywho, it was not about Williams anyways. It was about Meeks. So the whole discussion is moot!
 
You sir are a complete moron..... I think you must have been watching something else. At least do yourself a favor and look at the box score before making some ridiculous comments like that. Without him tonight we lose this game easily!!!!
I would not start Williams. Meeks is not playing extremely well, but he is very servicable. I am very glad he is on our team, but he is not an All-American or anything.

You really cannot start Bradley and Meeks together. So you either have Hicks + Meeks or Hicks + Bradley or a small ball combination with Meeks or Bradley.

If we went small ball, I would probably rate Robinson higher than Williams at this point though Roy clearly disagrees. And, I think Roy would easily go Berry, Britt, Pinson, Jackson, Meeks if that was what he decided.
 
You sir are a complete moron..... I think you must have been watching something else. At least do yourself a favor and look at the box score before making some ridiculous comments like that. Without him tonight we lose this game easily!!!!
Thanks. Couple things. I get that nothing I say or you say will change how somebody does or doesn't play. So its all pretty useless.

I'll refine what bothers me - and again, the fact that it bothers me, I understand, will never change it. At this point Meeks is going to continue to play like he has in the past. He has good touch on his jump shots, and can be creative in scoring on baby hooks, reverse layups, etc.

I guess I just wish he had the ability / effort to score - say - on 50% of the in-close 2 foot shots (that say Hansbrough, Sean May would score 80-95% of the time - and I get that its grossly unfair to compare him to either of those guys - I'd like him to be 60-70% the player of those guys, though ).

IF he is getting fouled but they aren't called, why does that apply to him more than any other player from our or other teams? If he went up stronger instead of trying to tip the ball, or waiting for the defender to get in blocking position, he'd get more calls. And make more short shots.

I did look at the box score - and shot chart: Meeks was 5-14 (36%) on shots all 4 feet or closer to the rim. His nine misses don't include the shots where he got fouled. I think its reasonable to expect him to make more than36% of point blank range shots.

And I assume that at least half of his 10 offensive rebounds are rebounding his own misses he leaves short. They still count in the stat line as rebounds, but think of how much better off the Heels would be if he even converted just 3 or 4 of those 9 misses.
 
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I'm not here to start anything, but the word is (from someone right behind the bench) that Meeks said something "inappropriate" to either Brad Brownell or one of the assistant coaches. It wasn't the layup.
If KM did do this then it needs to be handled.....just not in the hand shake line....made Brad come across as a little whiney sore loser prick.....tell Roy you need to talk to him and handle it after the game....If I am Roy I would be more than willing to address it properly if I am not confronted with it like Brad did!!!
 
If KM did do this then it needs to be handled.....just not in the hand shake line....made Brad come across as a little whiney sore loser prick.....tell Roy you need to talk to him and handle it after the game....If I am Roy I would be more than willing to address it properly if I am not confronted with it like Brad did!!!

I don't disagree with you. I will say though, that I don't think Brad Brownell intended it to be caught on tape and tweeted all over the place. He dealt with it like a man should - right then and there, and then dropped it. I do think he thought the moment was more private than it really was.
 
Brownell lost his composure, so what if meeks had a couple words for his bench, it was a big time game that went to OT and emotions were high across the board. But you don't go waging your finger in Roy's face like some tuff guy, just take the loss and act professional. Meeks is not a guy that mouths off unprovoked, he was beat on all night.

Real lack of class by Brownell and he owes Roy the apology, hated to see Roy being the one to apologize.
 
I don't disagree with you. I will say though, that I don't think Brad Brownell intended it to be caught on tape and tweeted all over the place. He dealt with it like a man should - right then and there, and then dropped it. I do think he thought the moment was more private than it really was.

I would have thought by now Brownell would have known there were cameras in the building and his looking like a punk spoiling for a fight was going to be taped and shown. Just unprofessional way Brownell handled things, to good a coach for that nonsense.
 
I don't disagree with you. I will say though, that I don't think Brad Brownell intended it to be caught on tape and tweeted all over the place. He dealt with it like a man should - right then and there, and then dropped it. I do think he thought the moment was more private than it really was.

I'm not sure he dropped it exactly . . he sorta followed up his mid-court tantrum with a stare down instead of walking off the court w/ his players.

Oh well, no big deal, it just wasn't a real good scene if you ask me, and its understandable, given that there are some hard feelings between UNC & Clemson . .
 
I would have thought by now Brownell would have known there were cameras in the building and his looking like a punk spoiling for a fight was going to be taped and shown.
Yep, any reasonable person above ground would know that one of the first things they show at the end of the game is the coaches interaction with each other. I think he just got caught up in the heat of the moment.
 
He could have handled it less demonstrably , no need for the finger pointing etc. that caused it to be so obvious.
 
Of note Meeks 9 misses, resulted in 6 offensive rebounds for himself.....

Meeks had a good game for Meeks but let's be realistic about his rebounding numbers. Looks behind the numbers so to speak. He Showed great effort but I'd rather him punch it in on the first try and remove the excitement lol.
 
I'm not sure he dropped it exactly . . he sorta followed up his mid-court tantrum with a stare down instead of walking off the court w/ his players.

Oh well, no big deal, it just wasn't a real good scene if you ask me, and its understandable, given that there are some hard feelings between UNC & Clemson . .

I agree Billy...him standing at mid court and staring really is what got me fired up......looked like ole Brad was spoiling for a fight...he handled it poorly and should be the one to apologize!!!
 
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I would like the fair weather fans that called this a loss early to man up like we want Brownell to do! Either learn that UNC is never out of it until you hear the horn or grow some and fess up when you are wrong! Meeks played like a Man and along with Berry kept us in it. He clearly has tired legs which accounts for the missed bunnies. Ever tried to finish a move through a strong big when your legs are tired? The ball always falls a little short. Meeks has earned some respect, but clearly will never get it!

Unless it is in the final few minutes, wasting a TO for a possession is stupid!

Hopefully we pound the snot out of Moo and we can fill up our bandwagon again!
 
I'm not here to start anything, but the word is (from someone right behind the bench) that Meeks said something "inappropriate" to either Brad Brownell or one of the assistant coaches. It wasn't the layup.

Good. I don't know what was said, but I hope if we play each other again, Kennedy says something twice as bad. We gotta get a fire lit under that kids ass somehow.

That being said, I'm not all up in arms about Brownell's reaction. He was pissed and he showed it, that's fine. Roy shouldn't have done the awww shucks apology, but whatever on that too. I like it when some chippiness gets brought into games, no need to let the wussification of America creep into sports now too.
 
I would like the fair weather fans that called this a loss early to man up like we want Brownell to do! Either learn that UNC is never out of it until you hear the horn or grow some and fess up when you are wrong! Meeks played like a Man and along with Berry kept us in it. He clearly has tired legs which accounts for the missed bunnies. Ever tried to finish a move through a strong big when your legs are tired? The ball always falls a little short. Meeks has earned some respect, but clearly will never get it!

Unless it is in the final few minutes, wasting a TO for a possession is stupid!

Hopefully we pound the snot out of Moo and we can fill up our bandwagon again!
Are you talking about things said in game threads? Those types of comments are just made in frustration most of the time. I never take comments made during the course of the game that serious.
 
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Hearing now had to do w Kennedy mouthing off to clemsons bench. If that was the case I retract my statement about brownell being a whiny bitch.
Hard to believe. If anything, Kennedy is too easy going. He was probably just kidding around and someone took it wrong.

Then again, we all saw Roy seem to be apologizing. So either he agreed it wasn't trivial, or he was just taking Brownell's word for it.

I'm putting Brownell on my Punk List until I hear different.

Which will have about as much of an effect as my boycott of China.
 
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