Not to my knowledge. To me, it seems instead that Missouri generally has a problem with racism, whether real or perceived. Campus protests are very common. When I was at UNC, the issue du jour was the athletic department's relationship with Nike and Nike's use of sweatshop labor. There were endless protests about this, and some (though not all) of the protesters' demands were ultimately met. While it certainly seems as if the issue at Mizzou is overblown, it's hard to say without knowing what it's like for minority students there. And I think activism (of all political stripes) is generally good for young people still trying to figure out who they are.
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I don't fully understand what that is supposed to accomplish.
I hear that a LOT from a few of my ultra-liberal friends. It's almost like it's supposed to be some liberating experience. I just think I can be empathetic toward people who have been maligned without self-incriminating myself, when I'm not responsible for what's happened. This insistence of pointing-out and focusing on race only seems to perpetuate RACE as being a reality at all. If the objective is for all of us to see each other as people, instead of black or white people, then at some point we have to try and drop the terminology so we don't keep reminding ourselves of it.
I do not think it's a state-wide thing -- I think it mostly stems from St. Louis being in Missouri (Ferguson is basically part of St. Louis for anyone who still doesn't know that lol). And as all know, St. Louis has for a long while had major crime and race-relations issues.
This may be out of line but I'm going to take a swing at it anyway. What would MLK and other activists from back in the day think about these "new wave" black protests? I mean.....those folks back in the day were peacefully protesting AWFUL stuff like the Emmitt Till murder and actual race-inspired crimes. These folks at Mizzou are protesting very, very minor things where no one was physically hurt.
My generation has lost all perspective of what came before us.
Wow. Sad but not surprising that she has had threats made against her. What a mess.
Yeah, she "resigned" from an appointed advisory board position of the journalism school.
She HAS NOT resigned from her paid position as an assistant professor.
She doesn't have the required decency or shame needed to actually resign. And the fact that she was obstructing JOURNALISTS from performing JOURNALISM while holding an advisory board position for the JOURNALISM school is irony that is almost certainly lost on her.
You don't like classic rock. You don't get James Bond. And now you're dishing celebrity gossip.
Have you told your parents?
I don't know what "dishing" means. But to quote Cal from Talladega Nights, "I'm not sure I understand your TACTICS! So I'm going to act real hostile until I figure them out."
While Click did NOT resign a professor who held class and had an exam despite the "supposed unproven" threats on campus has resigned. The professor told his students that he was holding class and holding the exam because he was not going to let the idiots making the "supposed threats" win. He told his students that the best way to defeat them is to stand up to them. Students, professors and journalist came out against him in articles and on Twitter. His reply, he cancelled class, cancelled the test and told them they could attend and take test later and then announced his resignation...by many accounts of black and white students this professor was very well liked!!!! damn shame that this cluster has come to this!!!!!
The sign for the Black Culture Center at MU has been vandalized. Clearly the Chief of Police at MU has failed to make the campus safe and free of racism. He should resign immediately.
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Of course it has. This is all one big fraud just like Ferguson and trumped up by the same crowd. Bet there were no racial incidents in the first place. Looks completely contrived. At least something happened with Ferguson, a huge bully and criminal who happened to be black beat up an officer, tried to steal his gun and then charged the officer who subsequently shot him, as was completely proper and correct. The officer did his job.
Doesn't even look like anything happened at Mizzou. Just some PC bullies manufacturing a crisis.
Did anyone see the comments by Brice and Marcus regarding the Mizzou situation? Was not impressed at all.....Brice basically said that he was impressed with the Mizzou football team for what they did and said that the Carolina Hoops team was probably more powerful, other than the Chancellor at UNC, and that they could do what they wanted.....http://northcarolina.247sports.com/Bolt/Paige-Johnson-realize-influence-It-speaks-volumes-40997362
I didn't take it that way at all. They were responding to a direct question, and basically acknowledged that athletes have a large amount of influence due to their visibility. And that it's important to use that in the right way, to stand up for what they believe. I don't have any problem with that, and thought they both handled the question pretty appropriately.
Fair enough....I was pissed from reading all the other stuff about Mizzou so maybe I was reading into to much!!!!
I did and started a thread on the basketball board. Looks like it was deleted. I love Paige and think he's been a great representative of the school and needless to say a great player and Brice has been a very good player as well. Not sure I've seen too many comments from him like with Paige but like how Brice can get emotional and have some passion, although perhaps that can hurt his play at times if he gets down. But regardless, was disappointed with their comments. I think what happened at Mizzou should be condemned in the strongest possible terms and is flat out wrong, and I am talking of those that ginned up a fake controversy not the supposed minor racial incidents which may or may not even be real.
They said they thought what happened, the way it went down, was great. To me, that would be no different than saying if the Klan organized protests and got the president of the university fired, that hey, that was great too. Different side of the same evil coin.
Neither one said "what happened" was great. They were referring specifically to the players backing up a fellow student, and standing up for what they believe in.
Paige said:
"You realized that you can really impact people. You are really a voice for the university...when you step back and see a fellow student, especially in the Missouri case, going on a hunger strike, you realize how important it is to stand behind your peers. I am really happy with how that went."
"It's not always the easy thing to do --- to stand up for something like that. We, as players, we get here and we listen to what we are supposed to do. We play the games. We go to class and everything. And sometimes you forget or lose sight of the impact or influence that we have."
"So to be able to use that to our advantage, as players, to be able to speak for something that we believe is right is very cool and I am glad they did that."
Johnson's quotes were about the influence of college sports and specifically, the money involved.
Read the quotes. Context matters.
They were asked a very loaded question and gave what I think were very mature answers. If you want to read into it more than what's there, and be upset with anyone that doesn't just blast off on everyone involved, then that's your prerogative. But those answers were about as diplomatic and well-spoken as you're going to get from a couple of college athletes speaking on a very racially charged topic.
Paige said:
"You realized that you can really impact people. You are really a voice for the university...when you step back and see a fellow student, especially in the Missouri case, going on a hunger strike, you realize how important it is to stand behind your peers. I am really happy with how that went."
"It's not always the easy thing to do --- to stand up for something like that. We, as players, we get here and we listen to what we are supposed to do. We play the games. We go to class and everything. And sometimes you forget or lose sight of the impact or influence that we have."
"So to be able to use that to our advantage, as players, to be able to speak for something that we believe is right is very cool and I am glad they did that."
Johnson's quotes were about the influence of college sports and specifically, the money involved.
Read the quotes. Context matters.
They were asked a very loaded question and gave what I think were very mature answers. If you want to read into it more than what's there, and be upset with anyone that doesn't just blast off on everyone involved, then that's your prerogative. But those answers were about as diplomatic and well-spoken as you're going to get from a couple of college athletes speaking on a very racially charged topic.
I didn't like Brice's or Paige's comments at all. I'm sure it was a loaded question and I'm sure the interviewer was basically steering them into a particular response. But I was disappointed in Marcus especially. He's been the face of our program and school for a couple years now. He's held in high esteem. I would have appreciated a response where he basically dodges the question. I get that he couldn't come right out and say the whole thing is nonsense (even if he believed it to be so). But he shouldn't have given it any credence whatsoever. Honestly, it kind of changes my opinion of them a little bit. I'm not going to turn my back on them and not root for our team because of it. But I also won't celebrate them quite like I did before.
Yet again, he is referring specifically to the athletes using their position of influence to stand up for a fellow student. You are trying to make his comment encompass the whole situation. Context.
He is referring to a specific incident, right? The situation at Mizzou, not just the idea itself of sticking up for another student. That specific situation is what he says he is very happy with how it went down. Imo, the way it down was wrong and should be condemned and was fraught with fraud.
Moreover, I believe it stokes racism and resentment due to the fraudulent nature of the activists. The leader apparently somehow got to be the student body president on the racist campus. How did that happen if the school is so racist?
They were asked a loaded question and gave what I think were very mature answers. If you want to read into it more than what's there, and be upset with anyone that doesn't just blast off on everyone involved, then that's your prerogative. But those answers were about as diplomatic and well-spoken as you're going to get from a couple of college athletes speaking on a very racially charged topic.
It strikes me as irrational to expect a couple of black college kids to take the position you seem to expect them to have taken, and even more so to expect them to take that position publicly. Whether you think it's valid or not, those kids in Missouri felt discriminated against and/or threatened, and no black kid anywhere is going to go on record condemning them for it.
It strikes me as irrational to expect a couple of black college kids to take the position you seem to expect them to have taken, and even more so to expect them to take that position publicly. Whether you think it's valid or not, those kids in Missouri felt discriminated against and/or threatened, and no black kid anywhere is going to go on record condemning them for it.
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Reading between the lines here but kind of looks like the swastika was drawn by a black kid trying to intimidate a Jewish kid.
It's high time we all realize racism isn't just confined to white people, and that when minorities speak and act racist while often condemning even non-racist actions like not liking Obama as racist, that this spreads racist sentiment.
Bet there is more reason for some white kids, for example, to feel "threatened" and for real, by black youths, than the other way around. People don't want to talk about that. If a black youth mob goes on a rampage attacking innocent people just because they are white, it's sort of shushed up by the media when we all know if large groups of white kids gathered around to beat up black people, we'd have a presidential summit and a month-long inquest by the media into how racism is still so prevalent today.
Continually harping on white Americans for racist attitudes while saying nothing about minorities doing the same and much worse isn't helping heal the situation.
http://www.wnd.com/2015/11/mizzou-relents-releases-poop-swastika-report-images/
It's high time we all realize racism isn't just confined to white people, and that when minorities speak and act racist while often condemning even non-racist actions like not liking Obama as racist, that this spreads racist sentiment.
Bet there is more reason for some white kids, for example, to feel "threatened" and for real, by black youths, than the other way around. People don't want to talk about that. If a black youth mob goes on a rampage attacking innocent people just because they are white, it's sort of shushed up by the media when we all know if large groups of white kids gathered around to beat up black people, we'd have a presidential summit and a month-long inquest by the media into how racism is still so prevalent today.
Continually harping on white Americans for racist attitudes while saying nothing about minorities doing the same and much worse isn't helping heal the situation.
http://www.wnd.com/2015/11/mizzou-relents-releases-poop-swastika-report-images/
Good post. And I have to believe that they have not had the time to dig into the facts of the matter, and are just basing their opinion on the broad stokes from the media, and they've accepted that as the truth in the situation. They're commenting under the assumption that the hunger strike and everything else really was justified
You're right on..... the boy who cried wolf.... it didn't turn out so well for the boy. Q:? At what point do the full-time professional victimhood grievance industry participants become satisfied that they've been sufficiently accommodated? A: Never. Ever. Period.
Colleges are supposed to be held up as examples of free speech that make our nation great. No more. Now anyone who stands up for free speech gets shouted down, shut down, run out of town, by the PC fascists.
Wow they are very disappointed paris knocked them out of the news. They've started commenting on a "f----paris" hashtag on twitter. Unreal
They are like a toddler pitching a temper tantrum- they keep ratcheting up the noise in hopes someone will pay attention.
The only issue is that most of us don't quite understand what it is that needs our attention.
Since we were talking about Travis earlier I figured I would post this here. The right wingers here will love it.
http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...urns-out-to-be-blind-girl-s-dog-s-poop-111815
http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...urns-out-to-be-blind-girl-s-dog-s-poop-111815
Thank you for posting that Cory. I have not laughed so hard in some time. My wife, a Vandy grad herself, and I absolutely laughed all morning.
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