Very quick stuff (Clemson game)...

[Ozheelfan]

99% Hubert, because if he truly thought we was going to be where we need to be with Jwash as the 5 then there is no defending that, and it 99% on him.

Then you say well we got what we got and this team if we'll coached should be a team that ranges between 18 to 23 in the polls solid in the top 3 of the ACC and looking to be around a 4 or 5 seed in the dance, and a team that could win 1 game in the NCAA tournament and things go our way we could win 2. But our team could always be in games and never getting blown out by 20 to Clemson and I don't care if the game is played in Brad Brownell's driveway.

I agree and disagree..... the players are who they are, but what is worse is they've not been coached to their strengths.

The failure to get the most out of players is, in my opinion, worse coaching than the failure to land a quality big man in the portal.

Those two failures combined have resulted in this, what is shaping up to be the worst season since Doh was on the sidelines.

As I said on the Hubert thread, the nepotism hiring of a family member with barely enough work experience to do the job experiment is done... time to move on.

 

[notashelbyfan]

Totally dominated up front. 2nd modern Euro big, who will shoot the three, but can use touch on a smaller man in the post that absolutely had their way with our "bigs" if you can call them bigs. I personally love to watch big Euro's play the modern game, their eyes light up seeing our front line for sure.

I thought RJ was a straight dawg fighting the good fight yesterday. He has been REALLY good and efficient while being shadowed non stop in 5 of the last 6.

Can't say 1 other guy played well, but Ian is struggling SO badly. Just an awful game for him, he is the see saw talented freshman to a tee.

I just thought about something, we was never setting the world on fire this season but didn't we start to trend down hill faster and faster when Seth came back from the injury?

 

[Quest4Seven]

Lets see some of your predictions. Or you the kind that talks shit about what others put in but never have anything meaningful to add. Id much rather listen to @gary-7 and some of his inside the program knowledge than some dickfer that knows little to nothing.

Its not about the predictions. Its that when anyone disagrees with him he throws a fit and questions their knowledge when no one has had worse takes than him over the years. I appreciate him taking the time for these post game write ups though, even though the story of every game comes down to what any serious person said would be an issue back in April

 

[NathanFielder]

I'm curious to see what you and others think is appropriate amount of blame for Hubert? 60%, 80%?

Maybe around 75%. The buck stops with him. He makes decisions with the roster. He clearly missed thinking Washington is a starter and flopped with Tyson. Also, if you believe that teams take on the personality of the head coach, that's a pretty damning sentiment.

But it's also been a year where RJ has missed a lot of quality shots he probably made last season. Cadeau also had that wide open missed layup against Michigan State(?) that could've been win.

 

[TarHeelMark]

99% Hubert, because if he truly thought we was going to be where we need to be with Jwash as the 5 then there is no defending that, and it 99% on him.

Maybe around 75%. The buck stops with him. He makes decisions with the roster. He clearly missed thinking Washington is a starter and flopped with Tyson. Also, if you believe that teams take on the personality of the head coach, that's a pretty damning sentiment.

I'm probably somewhere between... maybe 80%. It's his roster, his schemes, his game-time decisions, adjustments, etc. The players need to be held accountable for their lack of effort, poor decisions, etc. but Hubert's poor roster construction and lineups that he puts on the floor certainly doesn't help their cause.

The comment of them taking on Hubert's personality is something I hadn't thought about but it makes me want to bump up to 85% on Hubert.

 

[GoNtheDistance]

Quick stuff…..fire Hubert.

 

[notashelbyfan]

As i said in another post we have been in an uncontrollable down hill dive since sometime after Trimble came back from injury, around that point Jackson's production fell off and the team has gotten worse and worse.

If there is chemistry issue this would be the 2nd time in 4 seasons chemistry issue have caused trouble, because I think in the year after the National Championship run it is pretty well known that there was something between RJ and Love

 

[chickenhunter]

You are behaving like a very little person at the moment.... nit-picking and going back through old posts is pretty lame. If you don't agree with Gary, fine, but why act like an asshole?

I dont think he's acting.

 

[JovialMuse]

I know it's easy to blame it all on in-game coaching right now and Hubert definitely deserves his fair share of the blame, but this notion that this team is full of capable players is a fallacy and has been a fallacy since the preseason when people said this team could be 10-11 deep.

This is the list of dudes who can really play at this level right now at least on a semi-consistent basis:
Cadeau, RJ, Jackson, Powell, Seth

That's it. Lubin, Washington, Withers probably aren't rotational players on good teams. Tyson and Claude are mid-major level players. James Brown is a 1 year away from being 1 year away project.

I'm not alleviating any of the blame on Hubert. This is his roster so he has to own it. But this team has very few players that are actually quality players. It's a 5-deep team. I'll say it's 6-deep because someone needs to start at the 5.

I hear you and while I believe we have a lot of flaws on the roster, roster construction is the staff's responsibility ultimately. But that list of players you mentioned are pretty darn good and would be starters or heavy rotation players on other top 25 teams. Yes, we're missing a bruiser inside but I've seen teams scheme their way around roster deficiencies. Baylor in 2021 blew out the field without anyone taller than 6'8" I'm fairly certain. UNC has also put some great teams on the court that were only 6ish players deep, albeit with a reliable big man. No, this team isn't as good as was predicted in the preseason, but I refuse to believe it's 14-11 and .500 in a terrible ACC bad either. The system is a big part of the problem IMO