We really don’t know because we haven’t seen them enough to know who can spell Love and Davis. I respect your opinion as much as anyone here, but I think that their confidence is pretty low because they haven’t been given a chance. I just think it would be positive to get some fresh legs out there. Dean and Roy did it. Thanks for the feedback and you knowledge is respected.
Very quick stuff (dook game)...
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Look, I know everyone one of those coaches personally, I have played the game at its highest level, and have over 50 years of experience in relation to the game of basketball. Trust my opinion or not, that’s yours or anyone else’s decision to make. I am telling you, it is not coaching that plagues this team. Do coaches make mistakes? Of course they do and often in every game. People whose patience is very limited often find that coming to a certain conclusion about anything too soon causes them to have to question their discernment . Hubert needs time, and I can guarantee you that He is going to get it.
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Maybe they wouldn't have won the game for us - although you never know - but their defensive assistance would have been nice to have. And both might have brought some scoring when our other guys were struggling.
Their back court of Roach, Keels and Moore went 11-17. I suspect Harris could have disrupted some of that. Does Moore go 5-6 with Ant in his face?
If you have Garcia available, maybe you can keep Leaky on Griffin by putting Dawson on Banchero. Or maybe Dawson can disrupt Griffin.
I kind of look at it this way too- I feel that Love and Davis’s confidence is very low right now. They need refresh and refocus during the game.
Fresh legs would be welcome of course, the question still remains, if you need to win games, just who do you bring in from the bench that have showed that they can be equal to whom they replace?
I was there and I dont agree with that at all. Dooks guards arent exactly Ja Morants and Bacot is a much more physically imposing guy than Williams is.
we put bacot on banchero and he picked up 2 fouls within the first 2 minutes which put our best player on the bench most of the first half. We put our worst defender on Griffin who was having the game of his life and it resulted in a 10-0 run to start the second half. So yes thats coaching. Weve had much more talented teams than them through the years and theyve stolen games from us like in 2012, 2016. When have we ever had a clearly less talented team and ever beat them? The Redick senior night game? This is a good Dook team but they arent world beaters. A backcourt of Moore, Keels and Roach is not scaring the other title contenders.
I think your correct, and their confidence should be low as they are seeing players
blow by them and score at will and then handcuff them with their defense and not allow them to create any shot for themselves. Again, I reiterate, it's a talent issue. Not that our players are NOT talented, they are, it's just that they are playing against players more talented than they are. It is very plain to see.
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You are welcome to post what you saw, and you make some good points on the defensive side of the ball. However, we will just have to disagree when it comes to the talent between those 2 teams and the others we have lost to in the same fashion over the course of this season. It will happen again before we finish this regular season, and if we make the NCAAT, it will happen again there given that we play the same way in all of those losses when the talent is unequally distributed. And I agree that dook's team are not world beaters, but they are substantially more talented than we are this year.
Actually Williams wingspan is quite imposing it hampered Bacot offensively all game.. people keep complaining about Bacot being on Banchero .. if you put Leaky on him then that leaves Manek on Griffin which didn’t work out or are you putting Bacot on Griffin…sure Bacot got in early foul trouble but either way there was going to be a huge mismatch since Leaky couldn’t guard them both..
The what if game? All of what you mentioned would not have resulted in winning this game, maybe would have mitigated the score somewhat, but win....? NO.
I have to agree……I was at the game and Duke’s got talent at every damn position. Not just talent….that team is put together real well.
I agree. I’m not a fire Hubert guy. I think he needs to realize this team is one inside guy, three shooters and one defensive player. I think we need to play faster….but we can’t because Bacot and Manek wouldn’t last 10 minutes.
Being 0-7 in quad 1 wins has us on the outside looking in. No team has made the tournament without a Q1 win. We have three chances left. VT, Clemson and duke. Not sure if any of those are wins. We have a lot of work left to do.
That's ok, it's your time and your life, you decide those things. Probably nothing that would interest you most likely.
No one if there is no bench development. UNC generally develops a bench .. a "blue team" as you well know. Do you want to win games today or develop the program? College athletics in the past has been a DEVELOPMENTAL process and you can't develop players if you don't give some game time PT .. is what it is and it's a glaring weakness of this group.
I don't know why most folks here think that giving time to the bench players will make drastic improvement in our play and somehow magically produce a bench worthy of substitutions in any game. Do you think that those players on the bench were chomping at the bit to get in a game of this magnitude, when our starters were panicking and had the deer in the headlights look the entire game?
Let me make some aware of a few things, other than Puff & McKoy getting 8 & 7 minutes in this game, Styles got 3 and Dunn 2. I was there and both Styles and Dunn were relieved to get back out of this game, I saw it and watched them talk and shake their heads about the prolonged intensity of play. I know the look; I've seen it so many times before and the group I was with new exactly what they were feeling at that moment-relief. They are just not ready to contribute consistently enough to help the team win games and playing them more minutes just to get them minutes can be more damaging than maturing for them.
Maybe we will agree to disagree .. had there been better bench development earlier then the "fear factor" of going in to a big game may not have been so intimidating, and that is a coaching thing. Of all the years I've been watching UNC bball .. since maybe 1965 or so I've never seen less bench development as I have this year. We almost look like a dook team with the short rotation. jmo
If what you say is true, then you missed the 1st year Roy was here. He went 19-12 and lost to dook by 25 and did not use his bench very much at all, in fact Hubert has used a lot more bench than Roy did his 1st year.
The Dunn requests confuse me. He is a two, we are struggling with ball handling getting into attack areas with on ball pressure. He has looked like a deer in headlights early on when off the ball. If people are calling for more Dunn minutes I would think it would be for Walton's minutes. I do not see how he helps the ball pressure issue.
Developing a bench has so many obvious benefits. It provides “experienced” backups when inevitable injuries or foul troubles occur, or personal issues arise(Garcia and Harris). It keeps players fresher for the home stretch. It’s good for morale. It’s also a great way to motivate starters. If they start playing hero ball, go brain dead, or don’t give consistent effort, they will sit on the bench.
I understand Puff’s injuries limiting his usage, but Dunn nor Styles are chopped liver. They can’t play worse than McCoy or Walton. Find them some minutes. We’re a bubble team this year, play for the future. Dunn and Styles can be important parts for us, provided they’re still around.
I understand Puff’s injuries limiting his usage, but Dunn nor Styles are chopped liver. They can’t play worse than McCoy or Walton. Find them some minutes. We’re a bubble team this year, play for the future. Dunn and Styles can be important parts for us, provided they’re still around.
Stayed away from the game thread during the game because I knew it was going to get ugly. It’s been obvious to most that we fare according to our guard play. When Love and Davis play well, we generally win. When they get intimidated, as they have basically every time we’ve faced a good backcourt, they get dominated and we get routed.
Let’s just suffice it to say that our effort, toughness, smarts, and game plan were very disappointing. The game was lost after the first 5 minutes. Very disappointing indeed.
Let’s just suffice it to say that our effort, toughness, smarts, and game plan were very disappointing. The game was lost after the first 5 minutes. Very disappointing indeed.
I am not saying put in the guys on the bench because they give you a better chance to win but to send a message to the starters. I remember several times Roy would take out starters when the effort was pathetic to let players know that certain level of effort/execution was expected. Too many games Caleb and RJ make the same mistakes or give the same lackadaisical effort and stay on the floor.
I would rather lose by 30 with completely overmatched guys who are out there busting their arse than lose by 20 with players not giving max effort.
This game was lost at the guard position. RJ and Love appeared to be unprepared and/or not dialed in to what needed to be done on either end of the court. When Caleb Love is having a bad shooting game he brings nothing else to the table. No defensive, very little assist, not leading the team. He goes into a hole until the game is over. He has to learn to be an all around player regardless if he is having a bad game. If he and RJ were dialed in from the tip I believe this game would have been in reach. Also I no idea what HD was thinking putting Armando on Paolo. I had been saying all week it should have been Leaky from the tip and back him up with Puff because of his length. Lastly I felt bad for Manek. He was playing on fumes in the second half and I don't think it was fair to him for HD to run him the way he did without getting any breathers on the bench. That's how injuries happen.
I'm not sure why people continue to harp on the Bacot/Banchero matchup to start the game. If you have Bacot checking Williams, who does Manek guard? I'll wait. I think Hubert took a chance that Bacot could force Banchero into taking mostly outside shots which he doesn't always make. That allows Manek to check Williams and Leaky to check Griffen. Hubert's dilemma is that he doesn't have 2 strong enough defensive players to check Griffen AND Banchero. Leaky can't guard them both at the same time.
HD should have started building playing time with Dunn and Styles early in the season so they wouldn't look so out of place at times when they do get a few minutes. I think they are too talented to let them rot on the bench. They could be viable contributors at this point of the season. I said it before, I believe one of them leaves the program at this season and there options will be plentiful.
Carolina basketball shouldn't have to wait for a coach to "get it" they should have made a hire that was right for a basketball program the caliber of Carolina!
When Dean left they hired Gut and by all means that was the thing to do he was an assistant to Dean for 100 years. But when he left we tried this when Roy said no and we got a top 5 all time coach out of that, but then we made the same mistake again, problem is there isn't a hall of famer that's a Carolina man sitting around waiting on a call. I hope he works out but you or no one else knows if he will "get it" or not. The only thing we can see is the product on the floor and it's loaded with McDonald's all Americans and we are getting run out of the gym when we play good teams.
No one here has issues with losing to a good team and teams that are better than us but we are losing by 20-25 and 30 points, that's a problem!
Well, waiting is what's in store, so prepare yourself for it. The last several years with a HOF coach was not the glory years either wouldn't you agree? As I stated earlier, in Roy's 1st year back he went 19-2 and lost to dook by 25, and the boobirds and cryptic complainers were out in force, and he had more talent on that team than is on the current team.
If you want a change in the coaching staff, that's your right to post it, but Hubert is not going anywhere, so you're just pissing into the wind so to speak because your complaints whether you think justified or not, aren't going to affect any changes, and that goes for all on this board with the same mindset. He has to have time to infuse the right kind of talent and he has a reasonably good start as of today. Some folks have to have or take issue with situations they know so little about because all they see are the W's & the L's with no knowledge of how a program is ran and the difficulties associated with it while also having to learn much that cannot be taught but only through experiencing it. And all of this is compounded by this being his 1st season on the job.
For the record...., I preferred Wes Miller as our next coach, but am 100% behind Hubert and I have the patience to prove it.
Since we were keeping it in family, Wes would've been my choice too. I still think he'll be the Heels coach one day, whether it's 5 years or 15 years from now.
Regardless, Hubert is the man now. I hope he's a quick on-the-job learner, and has great success. That patience thing, though.... that's the hard part.
My biggest fear is that Hubert will have us winning 19/20 games per year for years on end. In other words, never getting back to where we belong, just being a run-of-the-mill-make-the-NCAA-and-be-ecstatic-if-you-make-it-to-the-2nd-weekend kind of program. That would signal the end of Carolina basketball. Good enough to make the tournament, but never good enough to win anything. In other words, slightly above average.
Totally understandable.
Knowing Hubert as I do, he is in it to win it, so....., if it comes to the point that you have described, again, knowing Hubert as I do, he will let someone else coach the team, as his love for the program will not allow himself or the program to be mediocre.
