Nah man. Spring semester started on the 10th. Ant hasn't been available since spring semester started.
Based on the timing, he failed fall classes and was ruled ineligible for spring semester.
What's with all the cloak and dagger about Harris and May?
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Based on the timing, he failed fall classes and was ruled ineligible for spring semester.
You missed his point. He has been available because he’s been playing. He is giving our coaches and school the benefit or your doubt.
I don't think anybody is "jumping on" anything. The facts are:
1) This team has laid down 3 times in 17 games and performed poorly against overmatched teams at least twice.
2) Hubert says absurd, borderline delusional things in press conferences.
3) IF he knew that Harris was going to be academically ineligible effective January 10th and kept playing him, that was an egregious mistake and casts him in a very bad light.
We're all pulling for Hubert to succeed (at least I am). I like Hubert, but he was not qualified for this job, and is proving every day just how much he has got to learn about being the head coach. It's not fair to him, the team, or the fans that he is having to learn this job on the fly.
He has NOT been available since Spring semester started on January 10th. This suggests he has been ruled academically ineligible for Spring semester.
If that's the case, then Hubert was lying when he said after the GT game that he hoped Harris would be available for Tuesday night's curb stomping. There's no other way to say it, and if he was lying, just how long is his leash gonna be? How long do you tolerate that type of bizarre behavior?
The amount of untruthful things Hubert has said during press conferences could be its own separate thread.
So, it is perfection you expect from Hubert in his year 1? I don't recall Dean being held to a standard of perfection, don't recall Roy being held to a standard of perfection. Those men made coaching mistakes to. Both great men, great coaches, hall of fame coaches but not perfect.
You say IF Hubert knew about the grades (this is called setting up the straw man argument) then you proceed to speculate as if it is now absolute fact, that your IF was absolute? You THEN become critical over your own speculation that you portray as absolute fact?
Man please don't act as if you never heard coach speak before, I loved Dean and Roy and they were BOTH really good at coach speak. How often did you ever hear Dean speak badly about a individual player, you didn't, he took blame on his self for the teams poor games because that was his nature. Hubert's nature is to build up his players rather than tear them down as was as well the nature of both Dean and Roy.
Yes, this team has had 3 bad losses and I am not happy about them either nor do I absolve Hubert from any blame in those losses. But this is a work in progress, we have had wins that folks here loved and yet even in those wins the core issues are there but we played a team that was not able to hit us in the mouth. Keep in mind, the problems that Hubert is having to try to work thru are the same problems that Roy felt he could not solve and because of this he stepped away. I am going to give Hubert time to work on this, time to get HIS recruits in the mix and not have to do portal patch work and hope it helps. I am going to give Hubert the time to build his own core of his recruits and get some experience in how HE wants his team to run. Then we can see what Hubert can be as a head coach.
Maybe you are pulling as hard as I am for Hubert to succeed but for me having a degree of patience and not looking to drive the bus over Hubert at every opportunity seems the better path for one that sincerely wants Hubert to succeed is more reasonable, it is for me. When I read what you have said about Hubert, both here as well at TOS, along with the Kerwin Afro guy, what I read, the manner in which I read it is a lot of hard shots at Hubert at every turn, just how what you are saying is striking me. Could Hubert have handled this deal with BOTH Sean and Ant better, yeah, maybe but this is the kind of area any first year head coach will struggle in and Hubert has to learn from. Keep in mind, Hubert is still (and will for a while) walking in Roy's shadow while wanting to integrate some new era concepts that has come with both ups and downs, that will take a while to smooth out.
Folks to often seem to think this UNC job is the best in the country (UNC fans), that every coach with a resume should want it. Truth is it is one of the most difficult jobs in the country because you will be held to a hall of fame standard from day 1. Anything you change will come under an intense spotlight, anything you differently than the hall of fame coaches will be strongly second guessed by the national media as well as this fan base. It is the ultimate hot seat and it got to hot for our last hall of fame head coach to continue to sit in, truth is that was not so different from why Dean stepped away. Roy didn't come in and lead us his first season back at UNC to the final 4 and yet his second season back won a natty with primary the players that were here day 1 Roy took over as our head coach. Roy was given time to get things ironed out and fortunate for Roy he inherited a very talented group of players. Hubert inherited a team with very good talent as well but that talent is not mixing like we want it to and some of that talent is not fitting the positions on the court like Hubert needs it to and he does not have guys on the bench ready to solve this by benching starters. In Roy's first season as UNC head coach he already had Ray Felton as his PG, we do not have a Ray Felton on this team. Roy won nattys with Ray Felton, Ty Lawson, and Joel Berry as his PGs and we simply do not have anything close to that on this team. What we have is similar to what we would have had if Dexter (freshman and soph Dex) and Lmac were our starting back court, may look good in some games but would be awful in others.
Not saying this is fact but suppose for a moment that Ant's grades fell below UNC standards or below ACC standards and yet fell within what the NCAA has allowed? It is absolute fact that a player can be eligible to play for some programs and yet not be eligible to play for UNC. We lose recruits all the time because they can not get in thru our admissions but commit and play for other programs. Could Hubert be waiting on some appeal process at UNC or the ACC and not know how that appeal would turn out?
That is speculation on my part, not to be taken as absolute fact that it is what Hubert was doing. Just speculation on my part to suggest that it is possible that Hubert may not have known if Ant could be eligible or not and yet just as reasonable as saying Hubert may have known or absolutely did know and yet said something you couch as a lie.
I do want to add one more aspect to this, maybe it comes out in the next 10mins, maybe it comes out before I finish typing this but so far I am missing the official UNC statement that Ant Harris is ineligible due to grades. So far all I see are twitter rumors being treated as fact resulting in the proverbial bus being backed over Hubert? Maybe in the end the rumors are fact, maybe the kid is now ineligible, I don't know what mechanisms are at work as I type this but do any of you know any more about this than what has officially been shared?
The worst part of all of this in my view is this calling Hubert a liar. ANYONE that says they know exactly what Hubert knew prior to his PC discussing Ant is not honoring the truth. You don't know when Hubert learned of this, you do not know what or if any appeal process is under way that could result in him having eligibility and you will not know until UNC releases and official statement. Do any of you know for absolute fact what Bubba may have told Hubert concerning what he (bubba, Hubert's boss) wanted said?
BUT, let's just speculate a little bit more, what if Ant is rules ineligible due to grades and Hubert did not know the kid was struggling with grades in time to get things corrected. It has been flatly stated that Hubert should know at all times the state of his players grades. It isn't like Hubert or any of his staff has weekly meets with his players professors to check on their class work, we have student advisors that not only work with with tutoring and class selection for players but relay back to the coaches information about a kid's grades. Maybe there is a problem there that needs to be addressed but you (Hubert) can not know that until a problem blows up.
Now I have seen several offer that when Dean was or coach Gut was charged with insuring kid's grades stayed in line, Gut was know to at times pop in to a class room just to see if his player was where he was supposed to be, that did happen. But how long ago was that again and did not the AFAM stuff occur under BOTH Dean and Roy's tenure as our head coach? So you tell me how effective that actually was. AFTER AFAM, I can assure you the powers that be at UNC are not as comfortable with coaches interreacting with professors as they once were. That is not in any way intended to infer UNC coaches did anything wrong but more that the officials at UNC are so afraid of even the speculation of impropriety that they bend over backwards at times to make sure things are on the up and up.
Do you recall when Etimov came to UNC, we (UNC) with held his eligibility for most of that season and yet in the end the NCAA ruled him eligible (they may have penalized him a couple games but UNC held him out for most of that season. Was Dean slammed for holding the kid out, did you see words aimed at him like they are at Hubert now because Dean held the kid out as ineligible, no because Dean did not know how the NCAA would rule. What if there is an appeal underway right now that a final determination must wait on and Hubert not have that final determination prior to speaking at his PC? Hubert would have been telling the complete truth then, isn't that true? Yet he is accused of being a liar and I would expect that on a NC St site, on a duke site, on a Ky site... It is hard to read it on a UNC site...
The worst part of all of this in my view is this calling Hubert a liar. ANYONE that says they know exactly what Hubert knew prior to his PC discussing Ant is not honoring the truth. You don't know when Hubert learned of this, you do not know what or if any appeal process is under way that could result in him having eligibility and you will not know until UNC releases and official statement. Do any of you know for absolute fact what Bubba may have told Hubert concerning what he (bubba, Hubert's boss) wanted said?
BUT, let's just speculate a little bit more, what if Ant is rules ineligible due to grades and Hubert did not know the kid was struggling with grades in time to get things corrected. It has been flatly stated that Hubert should know at all times the state of his players grades. It isn't like Hubert or any of his staff has weekly meets with his players professors to check on their class work, we have student advisors that not only work with with tutoring and class selection for players but relay back to the coaches information about a kid's grades. Maybe there is a problem there that needs to be addressed but you (Hubert) can not know that until a problem blows up.
Now I have seen several offer that when Dean was or coach Gut was charged with insuring kid's grades stayed in line, Gut was know to at times pop in to a class room just to see if his player was where he was supposed to be, that did happen. But how long ago was that again and did not the AFAM stuff occur under BOTH Dean and Roy's tenure as our head coach? So you tell me how effective that actually was. AFTER AFAM, I can assure you the powers that be at UNC are not as comfortable with coaches interreacting with professors as they once were. That is not in any way intended to infer UNC coaches did anything wrong but more that the officials at UNC are so afraid of even the speculation of impropriety that they bend over backwards at times to make sure things are on the up and up.
Do you recall when Etimov came to UNC, we (UNC) with held his eligibility for most of that season and yet in the end the NCAA ruled him eligible (they may have penalized him a couple games but UNC held him out for most of that season. Was Dean slammed for holding the kid out, did you see words aimed at him like they are at Hubert now because Dean held the kid out as ineligible, no because Dean did not know how the NCAA would rule. What if there is an appeal underway right now that a final determination must wait on and Hubert not have that final determination prior to speaking at his PC? Hubert would have been telling the complete truth then, isn't that true? Yet he is accused of being a liar and I would expect that on a NC St site, on a duke site, on a Ky site... It is hard to read it on a UNC site...
Utter horsesh*t. I'm not keen on anything but acting like we've got some collective sense as a fanbase. My record of calling it straight --- for better or worse --- concerning the current staff is crystal clear, so don't even think about going there, bubba.
But you at least did say the key word that exposes your agenda: "extrapolated". Translation in this case: Speculation that you want to believe.
You should make it. You're certainly going to the ends of the Earth to defend Hubert Davis. I'm sure they'd welcome you. This isn't about perfection. This isn't about whether or not Anthony Harris is eligible by NCAA, ACC, or UNC standards, and it isn't about Dean Smith. This is about the bizarre statements he makes regarding his players and how he, in my estimation, has mishandled the Harris situation.
You have no knowledge about the actual circumstances, but an agenda that's nonetheless crystal-clear, and frankly getting old.
If, and I repeat "if", you're actually a UNC fan, then I would suggest chilling and waiting for more info to come out. Once it does, then feel free to react --- hopefully in a reasonable manner.
It’s been pretty obvious for a while that kerwinsafro is a troll
But still no official statement on the reason why he is done for the year.
Just because I'm a fan (since Dennis Wuycik was our star) doesn''t mean that I have blinders on. As far as your opinions of my fandom, I couldn't care less. I was there when Ford won the ACC Tournament MVP. I was there when Isiah Thomas broke my heart. I was there when MJ hit the shot, and I was there when Hubert Davis went from nothing to the NBA, so you can kiss off, bro. Hubert is screwing up. He might get it right in the end, but he is screwing up big-time right now.
It's official. Harris is done for the year. This is gonna be worse than Doherty.
TAKE UP FOR HUBERT DAVIS NOW!!!
TAKE UP FOR HUBERT DAVIS NOW!!!
LET'S ALL GET REALLY MAD!! OMG, MY FAVORITE BASKETBALL TEAM IS NOT PERFORMING UP TO MY STANDARDS AND I WANT TO BLAME IT ON SOMEONE!
After all the misfortune Harris has endured to get to this point it amazes me that he would be so stupid as to let his grades, of all things, stop him from playing. Stupidity to the extreme!!
If anybody needed a drinking game to play, you could just take a drink each time someone on this board references Dean’s first year in defense of HD’s first year.
I mean the landscape of college basketball and college athletes in general were so similar in 1961 as what exist today…
I mean the landscape of college basketball and college athletes in general were so similar in 1961 as what exist today…
JERRY PALM has UNC out of the NCAA Tournament and GG visits the Dookies this weekend. I would like to be one of those flies on the wall when GG gets the brotherhood speech. Our coach needs to grow up and coach.
Concerning the amount of time that has passed from Ant not being available and Hubert's PCs to this official released statement from the school, can not that not be considered as when UNC knows for sure there are no further options via either its own admissions, ACC eligibility limits, and NCAA eligibility requirements. Point being is there any possibility that neither Hubert or UNC knew and were able to speak to this with absolutes until now? You know this possibility not only existed but is most likely what actually happened via the time line.
You want to dump on Hubert for his team not performing well at Miami, go for it, I didn't like it either. But calling Hubert a liar was way over the line of what should be acceptable.
I tried to tell everyone this a while back..he’s either a troll or literally the most negative person I have ever encountered lol
despite all the rumors that say GG is a lock, i dont believe it for a second, espically after his weekend at dook. that will be the nice final dagger to this season in a month or two when GG does the live instagram and puts on the D hat ....
That's an even worse argument, honestly. Why handicap ourselves and be short a player earlier than required, since it was going to happen anyway. There's nothing ethically wrong with playing him up until he's required to sit, especially since there's benefit to the team as a whole.
I don't think anyone would make this argument if it was Bacot.
But he’s played since the end of the fall semester. I just trust to believe our coach played him thinking he would check out at he said for the upcoming games, instead of jumping to conclusions and guessing.
Edit. So it seems he’s gone. Fine, let’s play basketball and move forward
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Except I proved I was a lifelong Tar Heel already. I started posting pic after pic of my personal Tar Heel memorabilia until the jerk calling me a troll crawled back in his pathetic hole.
But apparently your 2 brain cells missed that, and would rather attack me than discuss the situation at hand. Because apparently being a lifelong Tar Heel isn't enough. I have to be some sort of delusional cult member who refuses to acknowledge reality. I'm not allowed to have discussions about defense or suspended players.
I bleed Tar Heel blue. And I will continue to do so no matter how many times you try to insult me.
Yes it's a big deal for 2 reasons.
1. He had become our top reserve at the 2/3 spots in the last few games. That says Hubert believed in his ability to help this team more than Walton, McKoy, or Dunn.
2. It's going to hurt our APR. And while some of you might not understand how that's calculated or what that means, just know that UNC is dangerously close to a composite APR score that could see us banned from the 2023 NCAA Tournament.
So if this team tanks, and kerwin's afro transfers, will you take you name with him?
Kerwin isn't going anywhere no matter how poorly the team performs.
I do find it interesting just how cultish some of our fans behave though. Basketball discussions, scheme discussions, rotation discussions, criticisms of players or staff all result in a certain group of fans throwing out paranoid accusations and insults. "Oh he's giving an accurate analysis of how Miami ran the same screen and pop play to Waardenburg repeatedly and Hubert never adjusted his defense to deal with it... he must be a troll, let's all attack him instead of discussing the actual game."
Covid protocols according to InsideCarolina. Between the recent players who had covid, and the fact he has a bunch of young children, he was bound to catch it. His obesity would be considered a comorbidity, which means he could get sicker from Covid than the players did.
You're doing some hard core mental gymnastics to defend Hubert Davis. Hubert knows he's ineligible before Christmas and continues playing him as long as it's within the rules to do so, then proceeds to state in a press conference that he hopes he'll be back for the next game. Lying is not over the line, but it is only one of the things that it could be called. I personally think Hubert is the one who goes over the line almost every time he opens his mouth after a game. The players aren't stupid. They hear this asinine crap and it's got to lead to a loss of respect for the coach. You may not like it, but that's the truth.
