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When Roy retires I want Popovich

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I know its a pipe dream but a man can dream. One of the greatest coaching minds and has a positive influence on his players outside of basketball. Reminds me of Roy. I can see why the two are pretty good friends. I know this article isn't directly about Carolina ball but it's good to hear players say a coach has influenced there life outside of basketball which many have said about Roy.

http://theundefeated.com/features/san-antonio-spurs-gregg-popovich-is-the-nbas-most-woke-coach/
 
Two pretty good minds on the bench right now with Brad Frederick (director of basketball operations) and Hubert Davis (assistant coach)...
speaking of dreaming...
 
Popovich is a year and a half older than Roy. Even if Roy were to retire after this season (which I doubt will happen), Popovich will be 68 years old, and I'd assume he's content with ending his coaching career with the Spurs.

An NBA coach we should target is Brad Stevens (before Duke gets him).
 
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Stevens and Shaka are the only two on my shortlist of guys I'd want.
 
heelmanwilm said:
Pop is vastly underrated as a coach and imo is one of the greatest all time. But yea he would be too old and i agree with @dadika13
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Pop underrated? Pretty sure everyone agrees he's a top 5 coach of all time.

But Pop coaching UNC is as far fetched as it comes. When he leaves SA he's retiring, not going to coach a bunch of college kids.

Again, Stevens and Smart are the two we should be targeting. Not that Stevens has any reason to leave Boston.
 
dadika13 said:
Not that Stevens has any reason to leave Boston.
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I agree and disagree. What he's building in the Celtics is great - but at the same time, no team outside of Golden State and Cleveland will be winning a title in the next 5 years (and I'd be surprised if any team other than Cleveland goes to the Finals from the East in the next 5 years).

If Stevens realizes that he's playing for 2nd place in the East every year because of how lame the NBA is - he could want to get into a situation that actually has a semblance of competitive balance.
 
Tom79 said:
Two pretty good minds on the bench right now with Brad Frederick (director of basketball operations) and Hubert Davis (assistant coach)...
speaking of dreaming...
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Tom, these threads just make my head hurt. Inevitably here comes the talk of outsider coaches, whether it's Stevens, Shaka or whomever. They are all fine coaches, and many would likely be successful here, but the minute UNC goes outside the family and more importantly, the Dean Smith system, it will cease to be Carolina Basketball. Period.That is something I hope to never have to endure.
 
gary-7 said:
Tom, these threads just make my head hurt. Inevitably here comes the talk of outsider coaches, whether it's Stevens, Shaka or whomever. They are all fine coaches, and many would likely be successful here, but the minute UNC goes outside the family and more importantly, the Dean Smith system, it will cease to be Carolina Basketball. Period.That is something I hope to never have to endure.
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At some point that will happen. There is no way to prevent it. And I assure you that there are few people as traditional and nostalgic as I. But the reality is that if we attempt to cling to the old "Carolina Way", we will be left in the dust. I'm no happier about it than you are. But that's the reality.
 
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gunslingerdick said:
At some point that will happen. There is no way to prevent it. And I assure you that there are few people as traditional and nostalgic as I. But the reality is that if we attempt to cling to the old "Carolina Way", we will be left in the dust. I'm no happier about it than you are. But that's the reality.
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Well, no, it doesn't necessarily have to happen and no, we won't be left in the dust if we stay in the family and system, which is to this day the best ever invented. It is not at all about nostalgia for me, it's about a way of coaching and playing the game of basketball.
 
gary-7 said:
Well, no, it doesn't necessarily have to happen and no, we won't be left in the dust if we stay in the family and system, which is to this day the best ever invented. It is not at all about nostalgia for me, it's about a way of coaching and playing the game of basketball.
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Name two choices of "family guys" that would be legit options for us when Roy retires.
 
See my post above, hmm, slinger?
Any of the Dean kids are now "aging out" and some of Roy's kids are still within the framework. I would consider Brad "family" as he learned the system from Roy, who learned it from Dean...Hubert same thing.
Now there are some folks mumbling about Stack doing some good things in coaching in his stint (and he is) but for some reason I'm not convinced he would be a choice some in the admin would go for...but he does punch out dookies for not paying poker debts...
There are a number of our former players that could be great in CH. Bobby anyone? Or King? Look what he did up at Monmouth...deep run last season.
 
Tom79 said:
See my post above, hmm, slinger?
Any of the Dean kids are now "aging out" and some of Roy's kids are still within the framework. I would consider Brad "family" as he learned the system from Roy, who learned it from Dean...Hubert same thing.
Now there are some folks mumbling about Stack doing some good things in coaching in his stint (and he is) but for some reason I'm not convinced he would be a choice some in the admin would go for...but he does punch out dookies for not paying poker debts...
There are a number of our former players that could be great in CH. Bobby anyone? Or King? Look what he did up at Monmouth...deep run last season.
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No offense to King Rice and Bobby Frasor, but neither of them deserve consideration at this point. No chance. And honestly, I like Hubert too and I'm sure Roy is trying to get him prepared for something. But there is no way in hell that I would be ok with a guy that's never been a head coach taking over the reigns to our program. No way. And Stack? What does he coach? AAU? C'mon...
 
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IMO, there are no "UNC family" guys that should be considered as of today. That may and very well could change. Hubert shouldn't even be in the conversation until he gets P5 coaching experience. The two closest to consideration right now would be Haase and King Rice but I wouldn't be thrilled with either one. Good thing is, we don't have to worry about this for several years and maybe Haase has Stanford as a consistent top 10 team by then.
 
gary-7 said:
Tom, these threads just make my head hurt. Inevitably here comes the talk of outsider coaches, whether it's Stevens, Shaka or whomever. They are all fine coaches, and many would likely be successful here, but the minute UNC goes outside the family and more importantly, the Dean Smith system, it will cease to be Carolina Basketball. Period.That is something I hope to never have to endure.
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I think we'll cease being Carolina Basketball one way or the other with the decision of who is the next coach. Either we hire a top notch coach that doesn't have the ties and we cease being "Carolina Basketball" because we (at least temporarily) diverge from the system, or we hire a mediocre or below coach because he has ties to the system and we cease being "Carolina Basketball" because we no longer are a tournament regular and start to routinely finish in the bottom half of the ACC.

I'd prefer the former to the latter, but to each their own.

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Name two choices of "family guys" that would be legit options for us when Roy retires.
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That's my issue. If there were solid options I'd be delighted to have them. Even if there were two candidates going for the job, and one was slightly better for the position, but the lesser of the two had Carolina/Dean/Roy ties I'd be willing to go with that one. But I just don't see anyone out there with the connections that even comes close to sniffing what I assume we'd be able to get for a coach if we opened it up to everyone.
 
But I just don't see anyone out there with the connections that even comes close to sniffing what I assume we'd be able to get for a coach.

Um, Brad and Hubert. They reside on the bench right now. In another 4-5 years one of them or both may well be elsewhere coaching. Top staff at top schools are perfectly well aware of what Roy has, and those two are being groomed nicely to take over.

And I only mentioned Stack since some of our younger crowd seem to think untested, less groomed former NBA Heels have some magic to offer.

Hubert shouldn't even be in the conversation until he gets P5 coaching experience. WHAT? Crazy dude, just crazy, he's been an assistant how many years now? What is he doing today at a power 5, eating popcorn? He is doing every single thing that Roy did as an assistant. There is a reason for it.

Another Heel worth a mention would be Sean.
 
Tom79 said:
Hubert shouldn't even be in the conversation until he gets P5 coaching experience. WHAT? Crazy dude, just crazy, he's been an assistant how many years now? What is he doing today at a power 5, eating popcorn? He is doing every single thing that Roy did as an assistant. There is a reason it.
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You serious about Hubert and Sean? If so, it's a dang good thing you're not the AD. What's crazy is someone thinking an assistant coach with no division 1 head coaching experience should be strongly considered for the BEST job in all of college basketball. Dude, Carolina is a blue blood. You hire the most proven low risk coach available when you have a vacancy. If that happens to be inside the family, great! When Roy retires that may or may not be the case. And I don't want to hear the Dean Smith example... this is 2016 and not 1961. Dean is an anomaly. Again, at Carolina you should have the best of the best wanting to interview, why settle for a high risk assistant when you can get a low risk proven commodity?
 
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Tom79 said:
Hubert shouldn't even be in the conversation until he gets P5 coaching experience. WHAT? Crazy dude, just crazy, he's been an assistant how many years now?
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Umm, all of 4 years. Which is two years more coaching experience than Jon Scheyer, and two years less coaching experience than Greg Paulus. I wonder if Duke is looking at those two as the successor for K, or if they plan on going out and getting someone proven.

Tom79 said:
Another Heel worth a mention would be Sean.
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Great, a guy that has what, 1 year of experience of any coaching variety - and that being the assistant to the director of player development.
 
heels05champs said:
You serious about Hubert and Sean? If so, it's a dang good thing you're not the AD. What's crazy is someone thinking an assistant coach with no division 1 head coaching experience should be strongly considered for the BEST job in all of college basketball. Dude, Carolina is a blue blood. You hire the most proven low risk coach available when you have a vacancy. If that happens to be inside the family, great! When Roy retires that may or may not be the case. And I don't want to hear the Dean Smith example... this is 2016 and not 1961. Dean is an anomaly. Again, at Carolina you should have the best of the best wanting to interview, why settle for a high risk assistant when you can get a low risk proven commodity?
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Was Roy an anomaly too when he went to a blueblood like KU and was highly successful?
 
gary-7 said:
Was Roy an anomaly too when he went to a blueblood like KU and was highly successful?
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Yes, he sure was. And this isn't 1988, it is 2016 where blue bloods hire proven coaches. Again, please explain why UNC would hire an unproven assistant coach with no track record of success? That is unnecessary high risk.

Think UK has regretted hiring Calipari?
Think Kansas has regretted hiring Self?
Think Texas is regretting hiring Shaka?

See the common theme here? They were all proven winners as Head Coaches.
 
gary-7 said:
Well, no, it doesn't necessarily have to happen and no, we won't be left in the dust if we stay in the family and system, which is to this day the best ever invented. It is not at all about nostalgia for me, it's about a way of coaching and playing the game of basketball.
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So no outsider can become part of that family? You're living in the past.
 
Isn't this a May-June thread? Hardly right in November!

That said, of the 'family tree' I think Jerrod Hasse is building up his resume the most. Lets see how he does at Stanford, but he's gotta do better than Dawkins.
I'd also like to see Scott Cherry get a shot at a bigger program, he's done very well at High Point.
 
Thus guy named Dean didn't have head coach experience, and neither did this guy named Roy when they took over blue bloods......just saying
 
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Dean let Roy run the JV program, something that prepared him very well to take the reins at KU, one of the most storied programs in the country. And now Hubert is running our JV program, which will prepare him just as well. So when Roy steps down a few years from now, I see no reason to look elsewhere.

Whether it's '88 or '16, good training is good training. As JV coach, Hubert holds tryouts, makes the cuts, schedules and runs practices, acts as a mentor, etc... He is also very active in recruiting for the Varsity team. IOW, everything a head coach does, Hubert does. I hope Roy coaches a few more years but when he decides to hang 'em up, I hope Hubert gets the call.
 
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Whether it's '88 or '16, good training is good training. As JV coach, Hubert holds tryouts, makes the cuts, schedules and runs practices, acts as a mentor, etc... He is also very active in recruiting for the Varsity team. IOW, everything a head coach does, Hubert does. I hope Roy coaches a few more years but when he decides to hang 'em up, I hope Hubert gets the call.
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His record in recruiting is not strong....
 
Once again you and I disagree, Dadika. I'm beginning to see a pattern.

Mark Few had no HC experience when he was hired as HC at Gonzaga. He's done real well there. Shaka Smart had no HC experience when hired as HC of VCU. I'd say he did well there.

Most college football coaches were coordinators before they got their first HC gig. It isn't rocket science.
 
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ACokeForRoy said:
I know its a pipe dream but a man can dream. One of the greatest coaching minds and has a positive influence on his players outside of basketball. Reminds me of Roy. I can see why the two are pretty good friends. I know this article isn't directly about Carolina ball but it's good to hear players say a coach has influenced there life outside of basketball which many have said about Roy.

http://theundefeated.com/features/san-antonio-spurs-gregg-popovich-is-the-nbas-most-woke-coach/
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Popovich is 67 and Roy is only 66.
 
If our program stops any of the following:

- Acknowledging the passer on an assist
- Tracking passes that should have been assists on missed baskets
- Letting the coaches know when they need a sub
- Giving walk-ons a chance, with or without a JV team
- Focusing on a balanced college experience versus an OAD chance at the NBA

Then I stop buying tickets/watching games.
 
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Archer2 said:
Once again you and I disagree, Dadika. I'm beginning to see a pattern.

Mark Few had no HC experience when he was hired as HC at Gonzaga. He's done real well there. Shaka Smart had no HC experience when hired as HC of VCU. I'd say he did well there.

Most college football coaches were coordinators before they got their first HC gig. It isn't rocket science.
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No one is saying that there haven't been coaches with no HC experience that have done well.

That wasn't my argument against Hubert.
 
Only UNC/Roy guy I'd consider right now is Haase. UNC will need to go outside the family, in my opinion.
 
heels05champs said:
Yes, he sure was. And this isn't 1988, it is 2016 where blue bloods hire proven coaches. Again, please explain why UNC would hire an unproven assistant coach with no track record of success? That is unnecessary high risk.

Think UK has regretted hiring Calipari?
Think Kansas has regretted hiring Self?
Think Texas is regretting hiring Shaka?

See the common theme here? They were all proven winners as Head Coaches.
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And none of that means a hill of beans in relation to our situation... and 2016 ain't a bit different from 1988 in hiring coaches. There's your common theme.
 
gary-7 said:
Any "difference" has NOTHING to do with the experience of who you hire. Good Lord.
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Of course it does. OAD vs. no-OAD, AAU relationships vs. none, Willing to deal with handlers vs. not. Those were not issues in 1988.

So you're saying we shouldn't factor any of those things into the next coaching hire? That doesn't make much sense to me.
 
I don't understand why there is so much love for Shaka Smart. Yes, he seems like a nice guy and I suspect he relates well with the young guys but he's never won a conference regular season championship. The best he's done is a tie for 2nd. Why would we want someone whose never coach his team to a championship? Let's hope Coach Williams will stay around more than a few years.
 
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