Who stays?

[ruffin66]

5 possible candidates to pass up 2016-17, not counting losing someone to be closer to home, etc.
Meeks, draft value low even though he might be the second coming of Wes Unseld. He needs to have a good year.
Hicks, not a first rounder yet. Could be after a good season filling the void Johnson leaves.
Berry, also not a first rounder yet. Already says he is coming back.
Jackson, not a lottery pick, maybe not a first rounder. Too big of a gamble to come out this year when he could be the guy next year.
Roy Williams, probably wants another chance at a championship. Got out-coached several times this year, including the last game, but still one of the best, in spite of his nagging, little health problems and the strategy lapses.
IMO all back for another good year.

 

[uncfan in ky]

Don't be shocked to see Jackson , Hicks, Meeks declare for the draft just to go thru the NBA combine.

 

[heelmanwilm]

They'd be smart to go thru the process. If anything for the experience and to be prepared next time. Meeks wouldnt be drafted.

 

[mikeirbyusa]

Roy Williams, probably wants another chance at a championship. Got out-coached several times this year, including the last game, but still one of the best, in spite of his nagging, little health problems and the strategy lapses.
IMO all back for another good year.

smh!

Some of you just can't resist the back-handed crap can you?

 

[Bur-Heel]

They're all going to declare to take advantage of the new rules just to get some feedback on where they stand..on the other hand,seems like the op is taking shots at the team and coach as a whole..remind me of who your team is again?

 

[dgheel57]

5 possible candidates to pass up 2016-17, not counting losing someone to be closer to home, etc.
Meeks, draft value low even though he might be the second coming of Wes Unseld. He needs to have a good year.
Hicks, not a first rounder yet. Could be after a good season filling the void Johnson leaves.
Berry, also not a first rounder yet. Already says he is coming back.
Jackson, not a lottery pick, maybe not a first rounder. Too big of a gamble to come out this year when he could be the guy next year.
Roy Williams, probably wants another chance at a championship. Got out-coached several times this year, including the last game, but still one of the best, in spite of his nagging, little health problems and the strategy lapses.
IMO all back for another good year.

How do you figure he got out coached the last game? Did you watch the game?Do you want me to count how many times,both Bryce and Kennedy missed easy shots near the bucket they usually make(especially Bryce)and Roy had no control over the questionable calls. The nova guy made a shot that would've most likely had gone in with a guy in his face.It was that good of a shot. In a best of 5 series I would take Carolina everytime.

 

[gteeitup]

okay, after much thought and consideration, instead of leaving raidar, i've decided to stay.

thank you to @HeelFan58 @gary-7 @DSouthr and @Archer2 for your consistent wisdom and thoughtful advice...i love your spirit, peace.

 

[gary-7]

They're all going to declare to take advantage of the new rules just to get some feedback on where they stand..on the other hand,seems like the op is taking shots at the team and coach as a whole..remind me of who your team is again?

More than likely the reason JB's dad clarified his comments is the likelihood he will do the combine, which given the reality of the current format would be wise for Kennedy, JJ and Hicks as well.

As i posted before, the Berrys' plan was always for JB to come back, but he may as well do the test run. Kennedy recently told friends he was 90% coming back (where before he was set on leaving). The "feeling" around the team is that Hicks would come back, but Jackson is another matter. I have the impression that the combine will be crucial with his decision.

There's a decent chance we get them all back, but also a chance we lose 1.

 

[tarheel0910]

I'll go ahead and let everyone know that I won't be declaring for the draft.

 

[MCPO_Tarheel]

..... Got out-coached several times this year, including the last game, but still one of the best, in spite of his nagging, little health problems and the strategy lapses.
IMO all back for another good year.

I respectfully disagree.

10 minutes into the first half of the championship game, it was clear Villanova was going to bring it all night long. The first team to fold was going to get blown out.... obviously Villanova didn't, nor the Heels. That's great leadership, motivating, and coaching to give the Heels a chance to win.

 

[heelmanwilm]

I'll go ahead and let everyone know that I won't be declaring for the draft.

Well u cant go to your left and your mid range jumper is suspect

 

[heelmanwilm]

okay, after much thought and consideration, instead of leaving raidar, i've decided to stay.

thank you to @HeelFan58 @gary-7 @DSouthr and @Archer2 for your consistent wisdom and thoughtful advice...i love your spirit, peace.

You werent ready

 

[ChapelHeeled]

5 possible candidates to pass up 2016-17, not counting losing someone to be closer to home, etc.
Meeks, draft value low even though he might be the second coming of Wes Unseld. He needs to have a good year.
Hicks, not a first rounder yet. Could be after a good season filling the void Johnson leaves.
Berry, also not a first rounder yet. Already says he is coming back.
Jackson, not a lottery pick, maybe not a first rounder. Too big of a gamble to come out this year when he could be the guy next year.
Roy Williams, probably wants another chance at a championship. Got out-coached several times this year, including the last game, but still one of the best, in spite of his nagging, little health problems and the strategy lapses.
IMO all back for another good year.

Actually, Roy Williams did one of his BEST coaching jobs down the stretch with this years team... Remember that Miami was DOWN 38 points (at one point) this season to the Tar Heels. Oh yeah, Miami was pretty good as well. Additionally, Roy's team also beat all of the ACC teams that he lost to as well. So then, please tell me again how he was out-coached...?

 

[DSouthr]

okay, after much thought and consideration, instead of leaving raidar, i've decided to stay.

thank you to @HeelFan58 @gary-7 @DSouthr and @Archer2 for your consistent wisdom and thoughtful advice...i love your spirit, peace.

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[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

Additionally, Roy's team also beat all of the ACC teams that he lost to as well.

UNC lost to Louisville on 2/1. I thought I did a good job following the team this year, but I must have missed a game. When did UNC beat Louisville?

 

[mikeirbyusa]

okay, after much thought and consideration, instead of leaving raidar, i've decided to stay.

thank you to @HeelFan58 @gary-7 @DSouthr and @Archer2 for your consistent wisdom and thoughtful advice...i love your spirit, peace.

Well DERN!

 

[mikeirbyusa]

UNC lost to Louisville on 2/1. I thought I did a good job following the team this year, but I must have missed a game. When did UNC beat Louisville?

We only played them once, don't be a smartbutt.

 

[Realfreedom]

Job interviews are not easy. If I was on their position I would declare, workout, not hire an agent and then come back. Honestly that is the best thing for each young man to do. I know Roy and the staff attempt to help each young man know what the league thinks about them, but why not let the league do that work.

They get the experience of working out for the NBA guy's so next year it will not be as stressful. They get more time to work on what the NBA wants them to work on. Then they come back to school for a shot at a natty. Maybe Jackson leaves, but I don't think anyone else.

 

[Steat]

Justin should leave if if is projected in the first round. It would be good for recruiting and team morale. This allows Pinson to start and will increase the playing time for Robinson, Seventh and Williams.

The most critical returnee is Berry.

 

[mikeirbyusa]

Job interviews are not easy. If I was on their position I would declare, workout, not hire an agent and then come back. Honestly that is the best thing for each young man to do. I know Roy and the staff attempt to help each young man know what the league thinks about them, but why not let the league do that work.

They get the experience of working out for the NBA guy's so next year it will not be as stressful. They get more time to work on what the NBA wants them to work on. Then they come back to school for a shot at a natty. Maybe Jackson leaves, but I don't think anyone else.

Yep, with the new set-up WHY NOT? But I have a gut feeling we get all back and have a ball together again.

 

[mikeirbyusa]

But also Roy nailed this. He said it only works IF the NBA guys are totally honest with the guys. Giving them false hope does neither the NBA or us any good whatsoever, they need to be brutally honest with all the guys. But will they?

 

[JuleZ '02 HEEL]

@Raising Heel might stay if you ask him nicely.

 

[gteeitup]

But also Roy nailed this. He said it only works IF the NBA guys are totally honest with the guys. Giving them false hope does neither the NBA or us any good whatsoever, they need to be brutally honest with all the guys. But will they?

no...their philosophy, unfortunately, isn't based on what a player can offer today, like in the nfl.

mlb has it right, that's ideally what the nba and ncaa need to agree on.

 

[mikeirbyusa]

@Raising Heel might stay if you ask him nicely.

What would it take to get him to leave?

They have open PT @ DI and CrackRide!

 

[gteeitup]

@Raising Heel might stay if you ask him nicely.

following him on twitter should be enough for him...i don't follow hs kids or college kids, pros only.

 

[mikeirbyusa]

no...their philosophy, unfortunately, isn't based on what a player can offer today, like in the nfl.

mlb has it right, that's ideally what the nba and ncaa need to agree on.

You nailed it!

Sadly.

 

[dadika13]

Regarding Justin leaving early to "help recruiting", I couldn't disagree more.

I want 3-4 year players. We don't want to recruit kids cuz they think they can leave after a year to go pro. Basketball is changing. Duke and Kentucky had great runs 2 years back, but look at this year. UNC, Nova, Oklahoma, and Syracuse were filled with upperclassmen. Experience will be the great equalizer in the one and done era of college hoops.

Give me kids we can cheer for their full collegiate careers over an Okafor or Ingram who we get for a season.

 

[aah555]

While I'm not sure it makes sense for freshmen to declare if they're not ready, under the new rules, I think it probably makes sense for any borderline kid to declare and test out the process just so they know what they need to improve on and better prepare themselves for the draft process in year 2. With that said, unless someone pulls a Tokoto (e.g., declares despite having little to no chance at the first round), would imagine that all of UNC's guys will be back next season. Their respective stocks aren't particularly high and each of them have a real opportunity to improve their standing by seizing bigger roles on next year's teams -- with Paige and Johnson moving on to graduation. Jackson really is the only one on the entire list whose best case scenario would be late first round -- but the odds of that happening are very low.

 

[aah555]

Regarding Justin leaving early to "help recruiting", I couldn't disagree more.

I want 3-4 year players. We don't want to recruit kids cuz they think they can leave after a year to go pro. Basketball is changing. Duke and Kentucky had great runs 2 years back, but look at this year. UNC, Nova, Oklahoma, and Syracuse were filled with upperclassmen. Experience will be the great equalizer in the one and done era of college hoops.

Give me kids we can cheer for their full collegiate careers over an Okafor or Ingram who we get for a season.

Admittedly, the problem with relying upon freshmen to assume major roles is that the approach has greater voltality (recruiting misses; increased declarations) and inextricably tied to the quality of the freshmen class. In 2014-15 the recruiting class was very strong; and the teams that recruited those guys will be correspondingly strong (e.g., Duke and UK in 14-15). 2016-17 is expected to be the same way. In 2012-13 and 2015-16, by contrast, the freshmen classes weren't all that great and the teams that had a lot of freshmen fared poorly (in 12-13 UK went to the NIT and in 15-16, UK lost in the 2nd round, Duke lost 10+ games for the first time in nearly a decade, Cal lost in the first round, and LSU in the NIT). In the end of the day, I think recruiting the top-end players improves your chances at making final fours and national titles; but I also think it clearly leads to more volatility more from year-to-year.

 

[johnhelvete]

But also Roy nailed this. He said it only works IF the NBA guys are totally honest with the guys. Giving them false hope does neither the NBA or us any good whatsoever, they need to be brutally honest with all the guys. But will they?

I would guess there might be several teams that would love to get a Buddy Hield one year earlier in the second round and have him "blow up" in his rookie year instead of at Oklahoma and having to pay lottery pick money for Hield. A team could guarantee a certain player that they will select them in the second round, you will make x amount for two years etc. That might be enough for borderline players to stay in the draft because I do think a team can afford to make a "second round guarantee" to a player they really like. That sounds like the real risk with the new system in place, I dont see the NBA teams telling kids they are going to go 25-35 if they know they are really more in the 45-60 range/possibly undrafted.

 

[johnhelvete]

Regarding Justin leaving early to "help recruiting", I couldn't disagree more.

I want 3-4 year players. We don't want to recruit kids cuz they think they can leave after a year to go pro. Basketball is changing. Duke and Kentucky had great runs 2 years back, but look at this year. UNC, Nova, Oklahoma, and Syracuse were filled with upperclassmen. Experience will be the great equalizer in the one and done era of college hoops.

Give me kids we can cheer for their full collegiate careers over an Okafor or Ingram who we get for a season.

I think you need NBA caliber players on the team to compete for final fours. I would agree that OAD is overrated and ideally we would have 3 year players, but some of those 3 year players might end up being ahead of schedule and leave after two years, and I do think it would help recruiting to have players leave after 2-3 years that are selected in the first round.

 

[acarter0277]

But also Roy nailed this. He said it only works IF the NBA guys are totally honest with the guys. Giving them false hope does neither the NBA or us any good whatsoever, they need to be brutally honest with all the guys. But will they?

I think UNC has enough NBA connections to get honest feedback that Roy can share with all the players.

 

[JimmyinVA]

How do you figure he got out coached the last game? Did you watch the game?Do you want me to count how many times,both Bryce and Kennedy missed easy shots near the bucket they usually make(especially Bryce)and Roy had no control over the questionable calls. The nova guy made a shot that would've most likely had gone in with a guy in his face.It was that good of a shot. In a best of 5 series I would take Carolina everytime.

i agree. the second half of this season was some of roy's best coaching. losing the title game was not roy's fault, for reasons you have noted.

 

[JimmyinVA]

justin jackson got pushed around so much in college with his extremely skinny frame, it's hilarious to think of him in the nba. hey justin, food is good, man!

 

[DSouthr]

You nailed it!

Sadly.

THere isn't really much agreeing with the NBA, they want to dictate because the NBA knows the NCAA will just go along with what ever the NBA wants. Truth is the NBA now days considers the NCAA more as competition than partner. It was not always like this, there was a time the NBA and the NCAA acted as partners, the NBA understood back then that the NCAA was your totally free minor leagues, they delivered the NBA well taught and well seasoned players that understood the game and how to play it. But those days seem to have passed, at least in as much as the NBA's respect for what the college game gives them.

You had to realize, just as soon as the NBA installed their NBADL, they no longer looked at the NCAA as a partner but more a nessessary evil.

 

[DSouthr]

Yep, with the new set-up WHY NOT? But I have a gut feeling we get all back and have a ball together again.

My heart is saying Justin will be back but my gut is telling me it is a LOT closer than my heart wants to believe. My gut says 51-49 he enters and stays in the draft. Gut says 70-30 he enters his name without an agent. My heart does not agree, I hope my heart is right & my gut is wrong but unfortunately my gut has the better track record.

 

[Steat]

Regarding Justin leaving early to "help recruiting", I couldn't disagree more.

I want 3-4 year players. We don't want to recruit kids cuz they think they can leave after a year to go pro. Basketball is changing. Duke and Kentucky had great runs 2 years back, but look at this year. UNC, Nova, Oklahoma, and Syracuse were filled with upperclassmen. Experience will be the great equalizer in the one and done era of college hoops.

Give me kids we can cheer for their full collegiate careers over an Okafor or Ingram who we get for a season.

Jackson didn't sign on to be a 4-year player. The kid was ranked in the Top 20 in his class. If he is projected in the first round Roy "will" encourage him to leave. If he wants to come back, it is his decision, but Roy will not hold him back. As fans, we want everyone back, but I'm sure Pinson wants to start in his junior year. If you are projected round 1, Roy will not hold him back.

 

[dadika13]

Jackson didn't sign on to be a 4-year player. The kid was ranked in the Top 20 in his class. If he is projected in the first round Roy "will" encourage him to leave. If he wants to come back, it is his decision, but Roy will not hold him back. As fans, we want everyone back, but I'm sure Pinson wants to start in his junior year. If you are projected round 1, Roy will not hold him back.

Oh completely agree. I thought he was a OAD talent when he got on campus and no way Roy will hold him back.

Selfishly, I hope he doesn't test the waters because I think scouts are going to love him and we will lose him. That said, he's given us two really good years and will wish him the best no matter what he does. Love JJ.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Regarding Justin leaving early to "help recruiting", I couldn't disagree more.

I want 3-4 year players. We don't want to recruit kids cuz they think they can leave after a year to go pro. Basketball is changing. Duke and Kentucky had great runs 2 years back, but look at this year. UNC, Nova, Oklahoma, and Syracuse were filled with upperclassmen. Experience will be the great equalizer in the one and done era of college hoops.

Give me kids we can cheer for their full collegiate careers over an Okafor or Ingram who we get for a season.

Completely agree. While it might signal to future recruits, "hey, come here and within 2 years you'll be draftable", (1) we become a worse team if Jackson leaves and (2) I'm not really interested in having kids whose first thought about playing college ball is "how quickly can I get out of there". Does that mean we'll miss on OADs? Probably. But I'm ok with that. I like how Roy builds championship contenders every 3-4 years. It's fun for me to watch kids over the course of 3-4 years and have those championship aspirations build. I'm sure duke fans and UK fans like it their way - having mercenaries have a better chance at winning annually. But I don't watch the Heels just to hope for a title every year. If that was my thought process, then every year we don't win would be a disappointing year. I watch for entertainment value. I'm too old to care about arguing with 50 and 60 year old men on other websites about who's better. I'll leave that to the younger kids and the simpletons.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Jackson didn't sign on to be a 4-year player. The kid was ranked in the Top 20 in his class. If he is projected in the first round Roy "will" encourage him to leave. If he wants to come back, it is his decision, but Roy will not hold him back. As fans, we want everyone back, but I'm sure Pinson wants to start in his junior year. If you are projected round 1, Roy will not hold him back.

I'm going to need a link to an article where Jackson discusses his desire to be an early entry. Otherwise, how would you know what Jackson signed up for?

As far as him leaving, Roy shouldn't encourage him or discourage him. Roy's job should be to tell him the feedback he's gotten and leave it at that. One of the reasons people go to college is to mature and become independent thinkers. Let's hope Roy doesn't thwart any growth in those departments.