WHY?!?!?

[tarheelinfl]

Both Roy, and his mentor Dean disliked calling TO's because it allows the other team to set their defense and also contest the inbounds pass giving yet another opportunity for a turnover.

I can see Dean not wanting to call TOs, because back then a team only got 3 per game. But up until this season RW has always had 5, including one "use it or lose it" in the first half.
As I've said before calling a TO is not a guarantee to stop the other team's run, or get your team hot, but just might be worth calling one every now and then to see if anything changes! Going down 28 to KU in 2008 FF, with no TO will always be in my mind!

 

[JimmyinVA]

Both Roy, and his mentor Dean disliked calling TO's because it allows the other team to set their defense and also contest the inbounds pass giving yet another opportunity for a turnover.

let's get this straight: dean often called a time out in late game situations to set up a play. yes, he was reluctant to call time outs earlier in the game but his reason was to SAVE THEM to use them at the end of the game. huge difference -- roy isn't saving anything, he just doesn't like time outs.

 

[soap - new and improved]

let's get this straight: dean often called a time out in late game situations to set up a play. yes, he was reluctant to call time outs earlier in the game but his reason was to SAVE THEM to use them at the end of the game. huge difference -- roy isn't saving anything, he just doesn't like time outs.

I never said Dean (or Roy) doesn't ever call late game timeouts. I said specifically, both Dean and Roy disliked calling TOs because it allows the other team to set their defense.

But let's let Roy explain it in greater detail

"Our rule is, and for every team I’ve ever coached, is if it’s less than seven seconds, we’ll call a timeout. If it’s more than seven seconds, we’re going to run,’’ he explained. "Why give the other team a chance to call timeout, and set their defense?"

That was Dean Smith’s philosophy when Williams was an assistant at UNC, he said, and he took that strategy to Kansas, where he coached for 15 years before returning to Chapel Hill.

"Why would you call a timeout?" Williams asked. "To get a play set, that’s one answer. We knew what we were going to run. Why else would you call a timeout? To get somebody else in the game. I had the guys I wanted in the game.

" … So when you call a timeout, at that stage in the game with 20 seconds left, you just allow the other team to full-court pressure you, or to change to a zone. You don’t know what they’re going to do. So I have no problem with anyone second-guessing me … I knew what we were going to do, the team knew what we were going to do, that’s why we go to practice every day."

 

[Archer2]

Hard to argue with what Roy said there, Soap.

Going down 28 to KU in 2008 FF, with no TO will always be in my mind!

Absolutely no excuse for not using 1 or 2 there, even with TV timeouts. It's the most disappointed I've ever been with Roy.

 

[Steat]

Its not an excuse at all, but youd have to be pretty blind not to see that hes easily our guy most equipped to deal with Monk defensively. Lets just say that Id roll with Theo on Monk over anyone else on our roster in a heartbeat.

If it makes you feel better to say that Pinson would have slowed Monk down so be it. Who has Pinson shutdown?
If it makes anyone feel better that if Hicks and Meeks would have played more minutes than so be it.
If it makes anyone feel better that Williams and Britt would have have shot better than so be it.
It it make anyone feel better saying that if Kendall Marshall would not have gotten hurt in the championship run a few years ago the Heels would have won the title than so be it.
If it makes anyone feel better that if Joe Berry would not have hurt his ankle in the first half of the champioship game last year the Heels would have won the title than so be it.

Bottom line, the Heels still lost the game and the only people that care about how the Heels lost are some UNC fans. And for 99999999% of the universe, they don't give a damm. The Heels have not stopped any shooters like Monk in the last 10 years from getting their points and Pinson certainly has not shut anyone down when he has guarded a star player. You have unheralded players from teams like Butler and Davidson come in and put up 30+ points on the Heels. It ain't happen yet.

The Heels still lost....Pinson has not yet proven he could shut down any star player.

 

[heelmanwilm]

This your first unc game?

 

[Archer2]

If it makes you feel better to say that Pinson would have slowed Monk down so be it. Who has Pinson shutdown?
If it makes anyone feel better that if Hicks and Meeks would have played more minutes than so be it.
If it makes anyone feel better that Williams and Britt would have have shot better than so be it.
It it make anyone feel better saying that if Kendall Marshall would not have gotten hurt in the championship run a few years ago the Heels would have won the title than so be it.
If it makes anyone feel better that if Joe Berry would not have hurt his ankle in the first half of the champioship game last year the Heels would have won the title than so be it.

Bottom line, the Heels still lost the game and the only people that care about how the Heels lost are some UNC fans. And for 99999999% of the universe, they don't give a damm. The Heels have not stopped any shooters like Monk in the last 10 years from getting their points and Pinson certainly has not shut anyone down when he has guarded a star player. You have unheralded players from teams like Butler and Davidson come in and put up 30+ points on the Heels. It ain't happen yet.

The Heels still lost....Pinson has not yet proven he could shut down any star player.

Damn, somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed.

 

[SKYBLUEWITCHEESE]

There's this little thing called "inbounding the ball" which is pretty difficult in late game situations in the half court, and creates an unnecessary problem if you call a time out there. We had the ball, experienced upperclassmen in the game, and Roy called the play from the sidelines. These aren't middle school kids.

 

[Steat]

Damn, somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed.[/QUOTE

LOL....No, but I did sleep in a Holiday Inn last night.
It becomes comical when we say things like Pinson would have shutdown players like Monk when there is a "history of opposing players having career games" against the Heels. Pinson along with many other UNC players have shutdown very few players over the years. Until Pinson plays and shuts someone down like Monk it is only speculation. History is not on our side. It has always been Roy's philosophy to outscore the other teams and there is nothing wrong with this. But when some of fans deveop amnesia and all of sudden think the Heels will become defensive stoppers in the middle of the season it becomes comical. Despite Monk's 47 points, the Heels had the lead by 2 with the ball with 57 seconds left. The Heels had a chance to win the game despite Monk's 47 points. If the Heels sink a shot on the posssesion with 57 second left they win the game and Monk's 47 points is forgotten. Oh, it's me getting into the "if" scenarios. Sorry abou that..lol

Bottomline, that was a darn good game. The Heels played their hearts out and for this one game, I ain't complaining. Next!

 

[Archer2]

LOL....No, but I did sleep in a Holiday Inn last night.
It becomes comical when we say things like Pinson would have shutdown players like Monk when there is a "history of opposing players having career games" against the Heels. Pinson along with many other UNC players have shutdown very few players over the years. Until Pinson plays and shuts someone down like Monk it is only speculation. History is not on our side. It has always been Roy's philosophy to outscore the other teams and there is nothing wrong with this. But when some of fans deveop amnesia and all of sudden think the Heels will become defensive stoppers in the middle of the season it becomes comical. Despite Monk's 47 points, the Heels had the lead by 2 with the ball with 57 seconds left. The Heels had a chance to win the game despite Monk's 47 points. If the Heels sink a shot on the posssesion with 57 second left they win the game and Monk's 47 points is forgotten.

I agree about Theo not being a shut down defender, but he is a very solid defender with the ability to defend 3 positions, something no other player on our team can do. His versatility and high energy are what make him effective.

UNC 48.8%FG 37.9%(3)FG 40.3FG%Def 32.2%(3)FG%Def 44.7TReb
UK 49%FG 34.2%(3)FG 39.8%FG%Def 28.6%(3)FG%Def 43.3TReb

That's two evenly matched teams guys, one more talented, one more experienced. No wonder it was such a classic game.

Bu

 

[coryfly]

There's this little thing called "inbounding the ball" which is pretty difficult in late game situations in the half court, and creates an unnecessary problem if you call a time out there. We had the ball, experienced upperclassmen in the game, and Roy called the play from the sidelines. These aren't middle school kids.

Yep, and the key point still is that we got what we wanted. Hicks on the block drew the double team and had Berry wide open. He should be able to score on Gabriel anyway, or at least get a better shot. He didn't do that or kick out like he should have. Still, the 'play' put us in a great position. They have to execute.

 

[mikeirbyusa]

 

[Butterbutt44]

If it makes you feel better to say that Pinson would have slowed Monk down so be it. Who has Pinson shutdown?
If it makes anyone feel better that if Hicks and Meeks would have played more minutes than so be it.
If it makes anyone feel better that Williams and Britt would have have shot better than so be it.
It it make anyone feel better saying that if Kendall Marshall would not have gotten hurt in the championship run a few years ago the Heels would have won the title than so be it.
If it makes anyone feel better that if Joe Berry would not have hurt his ankle in the first half of the champioship game last year the Heels would have won the title than so be it.

Bottom line, the Heels still lost the game and the only people that care about how the Heels lost are some UNC fans. And for 99999999% of the universe, they don't give a damm. The Heels have not stopped any shooters like Monk in the last 10 years from getting their points and Pinson certainly has not shut anyone down when he has guarded a star player. You have unheralded players from teams like Butler and Davidson come in and put up 30+ points on the Heels. It ain't happen yet.

The Heels still lost....Pinson has not yet proven he could shut down any star player.

You just went on a ridiculous 3 paragraph rant about something no one ever said. I stated I wouldve taken my chances with Pinson defending Monk over any of our other players. No where did i state that he wouldve "shut down Monk" or anything like that. However I like his chances a hell of a lot more than anyone else we tried. I hope the tirade made you feel better, though.

 

[Archer2]

Nice, Mike. And if Kendall hadn't been knocked out of the NCAAT by Cretin, he had a good chance to win another title, certainly no guarantee, but we were playing at a very high level and I would have loved to see us match up against UK again in the finals. And we came within a whisker of winning it all last year. This, despite dealing with a neverending NCAA investigation which affected his ability to recruit.

Regardless, Roy's weaknesses are far outweighed by his strengths. And it's not even close. So when he doesn't call a TO when I wish he would, doesn't mix up his defenses as much as I wish he would, or uses some unorthodox lineups early in the season, I give him a pass for the most part because I appreciate the big picture.

 

[KendallMarshallUNC5]

Not sure why people are complaining about Roy not calling a timeout. For fans who pay attention or have been following UNC for any period of time know that Roy is not going to call a timeout in that situation. He always goes with trusting his players to make the play in the moment.

HOF coach that I love but that's the one thing I don't agree with. HOWEVER, he's not going to change. So stop being surprised haha.