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gunslingerdick said:
Moreover, he continues to disregard Hillary's transgressions that IMO, make her twice as unfit for the position as Trump. It's basically an endorsement for a criminal over a "reality TV star and dubious entrepreneur". That's insane to me.
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I agree, Hillary is quite possibly one of the biggest criminals running but Trump has a lot of issues that concern me, all the racists, childish insulting aside, with this information that has started coming to light on how he handled and quite possibly "scammed" those at Trump University. Neither one is a kitten walk for a candidate and for the life of me I do not understand why those that support Trump (even IF he is the only one with the R or the "lesser of two evils") do not at least acknowledge some of his very questionable behaviors (things he says that are downright outrageous) and the he possibly has quite a few financial skeletons in his closet besides the university issue. The fact that he was a reality tv personality does not bother me. He actually was quite decent on that show and never was as rude as he is now or racist, he was arrogant but so what, a lot of men and women are.

Does anyone on this board that truly supports him completely see any reason why some of us have complete and total distrust in this man?? Do you not understand WHY we question everything he says and does? I don't like Hillary either and would never trust her if my life depended on it but damn, these trump butt kissers are making me question the intelligence of quite a few people that I personally know.
 
JuleZ '02 HEEL said:
DSouthr I have to admire how you can complain about the media/public criticisms of Trump and then in the same breath completely mischaracterize and/or oversimplify the candidates on the other side of the aisle, all in complete seriousness. Well done. That's why the discourse on this board is so effective and fruitful.
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Hey, what can I tell ya, its a gift ! LOL
 
strummingram said:
A Socialist and a Communist? If you really believe that, this is pointless to even try to discuss. if Hillary Clinton were a true Socialist, she wouldn't be int he pockets of just about every Wall Street entity and every munitions/war industrialist's pocket. I might give you that Bernie Sanders is a "Socialist", especially through the filter of American political understanding. But, "Communist" is not Josef Stalin's Soviet Union or Mao Tse Dong's Red China. Those were dictatorships, period. They are no more an example of Communism than the USA is an example of a representative Republic now.

If the Democrats had Charles Manson as their nominee, it would be an embarrassment. And, you know what? Donald Trump would STILL be an embarrassment as a nominee also. It's interesting to me how people are hard-wired to react with "well, what about the OTHER side?" when confronted with an obvious disaster. When your response is "Well, theirs is worse."... you've lost. No, WE'VE lost!
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LOL, well, Bernie is a self admitted socialist, I kinda think when it comes from his own lips we should believe him?

Hillary IMO is absolutely a communist, it takes a village to raise a child, government solves all problems, you don't own that (her potus said that while she was his SOD). And by the way, notice how she refuses to release transcripts of her PAID for speeches to Wall Street tycoon functions, notice how much Wall Street funnels in to her campaign? Not to mention the absolute fact that her husband spent 8yrs in the white house pandering to wall Street, ushering in the very deregulation that brought on the financial markets melt down as well as the trade deals that shipped our middle class jobs out of this country. She panders to the poor as if she is their only hope while she and her husband have their hands deep in Wall Streets pockets!

I doubt there has ever been a more joined at the hip with Wall Street candidate than Hillary. Matter of fact just this morning I read an article on MSN that says Wall Street wants Hillary to win because she would be better for them than either Bernie or Trump.
 
DSouthr said:
Hillary IMO is absolutely a communist, it takes a village to raise a child, government solves all problems, you don't own that (her potus said that while she was his SOD). And by the way, notice how she refuses to release transcripts of her PAID for speeches to Wall Street tycoon functions, notice how much Wall Street funnels in to her campaign? Not to mention the absolute fact that her husband spent 8yrs in the white house pandering to wall Street, ushering in the very deregulation that brought on the financial markets melt down as well as the trade deals that shipped our middle class jobs out of this country. She panders to the poor as if she is their only hope while she and her husband have their hands deep in Wall Streets pockets!

I doubt there has ever been a more joined at the hip with Wall Street candidate than Hillary. Matter of fact just this morning I read an article on MSN that says Wall Street wants Hillary to win because she would be better for them than either Bernie or Trump.
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Do you even understand what communism is? Serious question.
 
chick_bleeds_carolina_blue said:
I agree, Hillary is quite possibly one of the biggest criminals running but Trump has a lot of issues that concern me, all the racists, childish insulting aside, with this information that has started coming to light on how he handled and quite possibly "scammed" those at Trump University. Neither one is a kitten walk for a candidate and for the life of me I do not understand why those that support Trump (even IF he is the only one with the R or the "lesser of two evils") do not at least acknowledge some of his very questionable behaviors (things he says that are downright outrageous) and the he possibly has quite a few financial skeletons in his closet besides the university issue. The fact that he was a reality tv personality does not bother me. He actually was quite decent on that show and never was as rude as he is now or racist, he was arrogant but so what, a lot of men and women are.

Does anyone on this board that truly supports him completely see any reason why some of us have complete and total distrust in this man?? Do you not understand WHY we question everything he says and does? I don't like Hillary either and would never trust her if my life depended on it but damn, these trump butt kissers are making me question the intelligence of quite a few people that I personally know.
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I am sure Trump has skeletons in his closet but it isn't as if Hillary has none of her own, both her and Bill have more than anyone's fair share. I am sure that Trump, early in his campaign said them things he would like to take back, he is not a guy that seems willing to say, I made a mistake. But Hillary is still trying to defend why she told the world our ambassador was murdered over a video and how she didn't think she was doing anything wrong using her private server to do government business. She can't admit she was wrong either so it is kinda tit for tat in that respect.

I am not a fan of some of the more childish things Trump has said but I also think calling him a racist is stepping over the line as well. Is he racist because he wants to stop Muslims from coming in to this country unchecked? Is he racist because he wants to stem the tide of illegal immigration coming across our southern borders? Is he racist for thinking that people that are here illegally should leave? Those positions to me are not racist but more common sense positions.
 
DSouthr said:
LOL, well, Bernie is a self admitted socialist, I kinda think when it comes from his own lips we should believe him?

Hillary IMO is absolutely a communist, it takes a village to raise a child, government solves all problems, you don't own that (her potus said that while she was his SOD). And by the way, notice how she refuses to release transcripts of her PAID for speeches to Wall Street tycoon functions, notice how much Wall Street funnels in to her campaign? Not to mention the absolute fact that her husband spent 8yrs in the white house pandering to wall Street, ushering in the very deregulation that brought on the financial markets melt down as well as the trade deals that shipped our middle class jobs out of this country. She panders to the poor as if she is their only hope while she and her husband have their hands deep in Wall Streets pockets!

I doubt there has ever been a more joined at the hip with Wall Street candidate than Hillary. Matter of fact just this morning I read an article on MSN that says Wall Street wants Hillary to win because she would be better for them than either Bernie or Trump.
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Do you realize what you described is in no way communism? Most people would call what you described as Capitalism.

Communism: a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.

Capitalism: an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.
 
prlyles said:
Do you realize what you described is in no way communism? Most people would call what you described as Capitalism.

Communism: a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.

Capitalism: an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.
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Boss, your correct definition of communism is exactly what I spoke to. It takes a village, so the state owns your kids and not you. You didn't build that business, you owe the success of it to the state. The rich have to much so they should pay more so lets tax them harder so the proportion of what they have is closer to every one else? Those are absolute communist positions and that is by your definition of the word. Government regulations that restrict and control private business. Government take overs of banks and auto companies, government picking winners and losers among private businesses?
 
DSouthr said:
Boss, your correct definition of communism is exactly what I spoke to. It takes a village, so the state owns your kids and not you. You didn't build that business, you owe the success of it to the state. The rich have to much so they should pay more so lets tax them harder so the proportion of what they have is closer to every one else? Those are absolute communist positions and that is by your definition of the word. Government regulations that restrict and control private business. Government take overs of banks and auto companies, government picking winners and losers among private businesses?
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You're confusing regulation with ownership. Not even in the same ballpark.
 
"Not to mention the absolute fact that her husband spent 8yrs in the white house pandering to wall Street, ushering in the very deregulation that brought on the financial markets melt down as well as the trade deals that shipped our middle class jobs out of this country. "

Just one question. Cuba is one of the purist forms of communism on the planet. Do they have a stock exchange, like Wall St.? Do you know WHY they don't have a stock exchange like Wall St.? I dislike Clinton every bit as much as you do and you can call her a lot of things that would be true but YOU CAN'T CALL HER A COMMUNIST.
 
DSouthr said:
LOL, well, Bernie is a self admitted socialist, I kinda think when it comes from his own lips we should believe him?

Hillary IMO is absolutely a communist, it takes a village to raise a child, government solves all problems, you don't own that (her potus said that while she was his SOD). And by the way, notice how she refuses to release transcripts of her PAID for speeches to Wall Street tycoon functions, notice how much Wall Street funnels in to her campaign? Not to mention the absolute fact that her husband spent 8yrs in the white house pandering to wall Street, ushering in the very deregulation that brought on the financial markets melt down as well as the trade deals that shipped our middle class jobs out of this country. She panders to the poor as if she is their only hope while she and her husband have their hands deep in Wall Streets pockets!

I doubt there has ever been a more joined at the hip with Wall Street candidate than Hillary. Matter of fact just this morning I read an article on MSN that says Wall Street wants Hillary to win because she would be better for them than either Bernie or Trump.
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What you described of Hillary isn't communist. It's a corporate shill. She's an ideal candidate for the Oligarchy in which we live. But, she's not a Communist at all. She's really not much different from what we have had in DC for the last 30 years. She'll toe-the-line for military intervention. She'll make sure TBTF banking institutions are protected. She's going to pander to Liberals about things like planned parenthood and minimum wage, but she's a very centrist Democrat. This is a woman who began her political career as a Goldwater volunteer.

Sanders' version of Socialism is not the tyrannical government overlord that most envision. His is a bit more refined, and it's supposed to be completely in the peoples' hands, even though it's implemented through government operations... in theory, of course. I think Sanders lays-out his ideas vividly, but he will need a lot of help to get them pushed-through. If you read his suggestions objectively, they're favorable, actually. But, when it's presented as "Radical Socialism" then it scares most anyone who hears it.

Donald Trump is just a horribly dangerous gamble. I've not heard him offer a single measure or point that appeals to me in any way. He has no electoral experience. Never been elected for any political office at all... ever. I just think that's going a bit too cowboy to make your first-ever office be the POTUS.
 
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DSouthr said:
I am sure Trump has skeletons in his closet but it isn't as if Hillary has none of her own, both her and Bill have more than anyone's fair share. I am sure that Trump, early in his campaign said them things he would like to take back, he is not a guy that seems willing to say, I made a mistake. But Hillary is still trying to defend why she told the world our ambassador was murdered over a video and how she didn't think she was doing anything wrong using her private server to do government business. She can't admit she was wrong either so it is kinda tit for tat in that respect.

I am not a fan of some of the more childish things Trump has said but I also think calling him a racist is stepping over the line as well. Is he racist because he wants to stop Muslims from coming in to this country unchecked? Is he racist because he wants to stem the tide of illegal immigration coming across our southern borders? Is he racist for thinking that people that are here illegally should leave? Those positions to me are not racist but more common sense positions.
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I hope you did not confuse my statement as being I support Hillary, I do not. I do not support Trump either. I am really bummed that those are pretty much our choices. Gary Johnson I like and will probably vote for him if he stays in the race but I am sure he won't have a chance in Hades of winning but I cannot vote for either one of those other two, no way.
 
tarheel0910 said:
That doesn't surprise me. It really is sad that journalism has gotten this bad. This is a non story that was only reported on to make Trump look bad. I bet you they're not tracking goggle trends when Hillary supporters use "big words."
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they don't know any.
 
strummingram said:
A Socialist and a Communist? If you really believe that, this is pointless to even try to discuss. if Hillary Clinton were a true Socialist, she wouldn't be int he pockets of just about every Wall Street entity and every munitions/war industrialist's pocket. I might give you that Bernie Sanders is a "Socialist", especially through the filter of American political understanding. But, "Communist" is not Josef Stalin's Soviet Union or Mao Tse Dong's Red China. Those were dictatorships, period. They are no more an example of Communism than the USA is an example of a representative Republic now.

If the Democrats had Charles Manson as their nominee, it would be an embarrassment. And, you know what? Donald Trump would STILL be an embarrassment as a nominee also. It's interesting to me how people are hard-wired to react with "well, what about the OTHER side?" when confronted with an obvious disaster. When your response is "Well, theirs is worse."... you've lost. No, WE'VE lost!
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your hot air has raised the temp on the internet by at least 10 degrees. Do you ever fukin get tired of blowing hot air?
 
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JuleZ '02 HEEL said:
And I've responded to your challenge by saying that I'm not interested in defending Hillary or Bernie. It's largely a waste of time and an exercise in frustration to try to have an actual discussion on this topic in this forum due to the polarization. So I might post a meme or a jab here or there, but you guys can have at it with the rants and raves; I'll be over in the fun threads.

Bernie's goals/agenda are largely unrealistic.
Hillary's record is questionable.
But "equally jokey?" No. Both are infinitely more qualified than Trump, a reality TV star and dubious entrepreneur who has offered nothing of substance throughout his campaign. Both have actually been elected to and held office, requiring them to speak to, work with, and address the needs of their constituents, and to work with and compromise with their colleagues on both sides of the aisle, and to have some idea of how the government actually works. Trump just says, "The Mexicans will be happy when I bring in all these jobs." That's not policy, it's just theater.
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"Hillary's record is questionable"? LMFAO kind of like Manson's record is questionable.
 
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I figure this country is already fubar with 19 trillion in debt and figure if Obama couldn't ruin it in 8 why not turn Trump loose for 4. Besides, I like the way he talks, says what's on his mind without thinking etc. All other pols responses are carefully worded to tell their constituents what they want to hear.The Donald just let's it rip, first thing on his mind. With Hillary she even gets pre-briefed on what is going to be asked. I am sick and tired of establishment party politics. Dem, Rep. whatever, nothing gets done and everyone is out for themselves and no one seems to care. Hell, you don't even have a media outlet you can trust anymore...fubar, I tell ya!
 
deandisciple said:
I figure this country is already fubar with 19 trillion in debt and figure if Obama couldn't ruin it in 8 why not turn Trump loose for 4. Besides, I like the way he talks, says what's on his mind without thinking etc. All other pols responses are carefully worded to tell their constituents what they want to hear.The Donald just let's it rip, first thing on his mind. With Hillary she even gets pre-briefed on what is going to be asked. I am sick and tired of establishment party politics. Dem, Rep. whatever, nothing gets done and everyone is out for themselves and no one seems to care. Hell, you don't even have a media outlet you can trust anymore...fubar, I tell ya!
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Impressive use of satire. I hope.
 
I think it is cool that he isn't pc, and pretty much don't care what he says. It is entertaining compared to the carefully crafted lies of most other pols. As a reality TV star isn't he supposed to be entertaining? What most don't get is "the system" is now a joke in of itself. I have popcorn ready and waiting to see what the rest of the year has in store for my entertainment.
 
Vegas odds continue to narrow. At the rate it's going, it looks like it'll either be even by November, or Trump maybe even a slight favorite. Who would have thought that a year ago? Wow
 
To answer JuleZ, no one knows what his campaign is predicated on. If I had to guess I would call it the anti-politician. You see there are some of us are fed up with politics and the my side is better than your side mentality. As far as I am concerned, if Barry Sorento couldn't destroy this country then certainly Trump can't.
 
HeelFan58 said:
there you go with the numbers again....:cool:
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deandisciple said:
To answer JuleZ, no one knows what his campaign is predicated on. If I had to guess I would call it the anti-politician. You see there are some of us are fed up with politics and the my side is better than your side mentality. As far as I am concerned, if Barry Sorento couldn't destroy this country then certainly Trump can't.
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Kind of like nobody knew what Obama's was predicated on either. OH...OH it was" hope and change"......speaking of demagoguery. You can't take the dem out of demagoguery.
 
HeelFan58 said:
Kind of like nobody knew what Obama's was predicated on either. OH...OH it was" hope and change"......speaking of demagoguery. You can't take the dem out of demagoguery.
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I completely agree. BO had very little substance in his campaign for President. It was all about the social movement aspect of it. He played that up. As far as policy and ideology, unfortunately, we weren't privied to that until he was in office. I'm not sure that it would have mattered though because I believe the people that voted for BO would have voted for him even if they had known his sinister plans.
 
I too agree that B.O has screwed up a lot of things in this country. I even believe he was and is doing it on purpose. My point is that even with all his efforts to bring the economy down with debt etc. we still hang on...
gunslingerdick said:
One could argue that BO has ruined the country. He at least ruined a lot of shit I liked about it.
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deandisciple said:
As far as I am concerned, if Barry Sorento couldn't destroy this country then certainly Trump can't.
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That's even better. It's like owning a Ferrari and driving it through a creek and then looking at a river and thinking "Well, the ditch didn't ruin it, I'll bet the river won't either. Here goes nothing!"
 
strummingram said:
That's even better. It's like owning a Ferrari and driving it through a creek and then looking at a river and thinking "Well, the ditch didn't ruin it, I'll bet the river won't either. Here goes nothing!"
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we already made it thru the river....or at least we can see the other side.
 
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