Interesting. I would have guessed that a higher percentage of black people would want to remove them.
Thoughts on Confederate Removals?
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Holy shit, disregard the whole poll. People clearly aren't listening to the questions. 4% of black people and 7% of latinos said they agree with the white supremacy movement!
"From what you have heard or seen about each of the following do you mostly agree or mostly disagree with their beliefs: The white supremacy movement?"
Mostly agree /Mostly disagree /Vol: Don't have an opinion either way /Unsure
White 3% 88% 3% 6%
African American 4% 90% 2% 4%
Latino 7% 76% 8% 8%
lol, nobody is crying here, i assure you...doesn't look like progress to me unless every news channel is fake news.
you really sound upset about this...there's a pill for it in case you didn't know.
But then he wouldn't have earned as many Rivals Points™.Agreed on all your points, brother, but you could have easily stuck this in the Silent Sam thread
You're rapidly becoming unbearable to read. Not because of your overall lack of intelligence, but because you're just turning into an internet bully. You might need to step away for a bit.
Good point. The institution of slavery in this country has had no long-term socioeconomic impact whatsoever.
So we're gonna do something that the majority of every "type" of person disagrees with (including the race of people that are supposedly negatively impacted by this)?
Did you honestly think that poll helped your argument? It looks like it shoots it right in the foot to me.
You're welcome to re-read the poast to which I originally responded. My response was completely warranted, thank you very much.
I'm going to have to shamefully admit that I am enjoying the fight between @TarHeelNation11 and @gteeitup in this thread.
"Many visitors to Ulysses S. Grant National Historic Site are surprised to learn that slaves lived and worked on the nineteenth century farm known as White Haven. During the years 1854 to 1859 Grant lived here with his wife, Julia, and their children, managing the farm for his father-in-law, Colonel Dent. At that time no one suspected that Grant would rise from obscurity to achieve the success he gained during the Civil war. However, his experience working alongside the White Haven slaves may have influenced him in his later roles as the Union general who won the war which abolished that “peculiar institution,” and as President of the United States. The interpretation of slavery at White Haven is therefore an important part of the mission of this historic site."
https://www.nps.gov/ulsg/learn/historyculture/slaveryatwh.htm
http://pres-slaves.zohosites.com/
wow, i don't think you understand what a bully is if you think that...have you seen the characterizations and the name calling on here?
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it's entertaining, i guess...looking forward to school starting, though.
Yes, but Grant also is documented as at least owning one http://www.snopes.com/confederate-history-slave-ownership/
BTW, Lee never owned slaves. Just FYI. Also, historians are mixed on the issue, but it is believed Sherman may have owned or rented a slave for a brief period.
Sorry, I'm still trying to get past the fact that it was called White Haven.
Oh I'm not offended by it. I just think you're being a dick for no real reason. @GACMAN brought an interesting perspective and you shot him down needlessly. JMO. You do you, fam. Lord knows I'd be a bully too if I lived in Cola. I'd be miserable 25/8
That's absurd. So because a few dozen racist marched in C-ville last week, we're not progressing?
Look, if you or anyone else here is thinking there will one day be no racism, y'all need a reality check. There will always be racism. There will always be prejudice. We need to focus more on helping people determine their own self worth than we do on eradicating something that cannot be eradicated. And in fact, the more we focus on racism, the more it will grow.
Yes. As did he. Or he was complicit. Either way, it doesn't appear he was the beacon of righteousness that we were made to believe.
You are being willfully ignorant if you think only a few dozen racists marched last weekend? Leaving out the fact a neo-nazi killed an innocent woman is even worse.
You are willfully ignorant if you think the people who marched in Charlottesville represent the view of the average white American.
I don't think was very righteous. He ran one of the most corrupt administrations this country has ever seen. But he was a pretty effective general for the good guys.
It was implied. GSD's point was pretty clear. "Dozen" was a figure of speech.
Also, **newsflash** the march wasn't just about a statue. Shocker, I know.
The American Civil War is a pretty amazing phenomenon. Americans are a very, VERY unique breed because we come from every other breed and we're bred together.
As someone who has spent virtually my whole life as a Civil War "buff" (hate that term), and descended from a famous Rebel general, and I know my lineage in great detail to the war. I had a great-great grandmother endure an attack by Union soldiers much like the scene with Natalie Portman in Cold Mountain. I participated in a dozen or more Civil War reenactments. I was an extra in "Gettysburg" and at the 130th Anniversary Gettysburg reenactment. I even marched in Myrtle Beach to keep the Rebel Flag on top of the Capitol Building in 1993.
I'm ashamed of much of that now. I don't regret it, but I am ashamed of it. The reenactments and marching, especially. I'm not ashamed of my lineage. But, I am very much ashamed of the institution of slavery that they were fighting to keep alive. I understand that war is rich men getting poor men to fight for property, resources and influence. But, without the institution of African slavery, there would never have been a Civil War.
Sorry for the long diatribe. But, if I can accept that these symbols are praising (directly or indirectly) the institution of slavery, and a superior white race, that it was being fought to preserve, and know that is a bad idea, then anyone can. If Nazis are using them as symbols to embolden them HERE, then they served their purpose and can be removed. I don't want Nazi ideology to get more popular. If taking Jefferson off of Mt. Rushmore helps to stem Nazi ideology of white race supremacy, then take it off.
As someone who has spent virtually my whole life as a Civil War "buff" (hate that term), and descended from a famous Rebel general, and I know my lineage in great detail to the war. I had a great-great grandmother endure an attack by Union soldiers much like the scene with Natalie Portman in Cold Mountain. I participated in a dozen or more Civil War reenactments. I was an extra in "Gettysburg" and at the 130th Anniversary Gettysburg reenactment. I even marched in Myrtle Beach to keep the Rebel Flag on top of the Capitol Building in 1993.
I'm ashamed of much of that now. I don't regret it, but I am ashamed of it. The reenactments and marching, especially. I'm not ashamed of my lineage. But, I am very much ashamed of the institution of slavery that they were fighting to keep alive. I understand that war is rich men getting poor men to fight for property, resources and influence. But, without the institution of African slavery, there would never have been a Civil War.
Sorry for the long diatribe. But, if I can accept that these symbols are praising (directly or indirectly) the institution of slavery, and a superior white race, that it was being fought to preserve, and know that is a bad idea, then anyone can. If Nazis are using them as symbols to embolden them HERE, then they served their purpose and can be removed. I don't want Nazi ideology to get more popular. If taking Jefferson off of Mt. Rushmore helps to stem Nazi ideology of white race supremacy, then take it off.
Punish all of white America, duh. We must apologize for our white privilege.
Oh I'm not offended by it. I just think you're being a dick for no real reason. @GACMAN brought an interesting perspective and you shot him down needlessly. JMO. You do you, fam. Lord knows I'd be a bully too if I lived in Cola. I'd be miserable 25/8
@GACMAN brought insults and hypocrisy, but that's your opinion.
offended by what?...just wtf are you talking about, anyway?...we have different opinions now on being dick and obama inciting tensions and division; that's not even counting sports.
and you live in atlanta, right?
Nice side step.
And for the record, it's well known that the South had the far better Generals. They were simply outnumbered 3:1.
Yes!! And we must talk about it...all the time. Because to the clueless, talking about it will fix it. So we should make movie after movie about it. We should highlight anytime a person of color is done wrong and dissect it to unveil the institutional racism that exist.
What do you think i'm arguing for? I posted the poll link because I thought it had some interesting info. The only arguments i've made in this thread and the other is that a) we can't discard the perspective of others b) we should be looking for compromises before things get destroyed/lost.
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