What's all the hubbub about today with NC govt and transsexuals?

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

And, no, I do not believe there would be old men molesting boys because molestation would not likely exist in a society that places no shame on natural inclinations. Without hot, there is no cold.

I agree with you on the rest of your stance here, that we should be more open with that and not as veiled, etc.

But I don't see the logic in the quoted part. An older man wanting to touch a little boy is a natural inclination of some (at least if we go by the evidence that is out there that homosexuality and things of that nature are ingrained in the person's DNA and not a "choice"). If we lived in a society that didn't shame them for diddling little kids, I'd assume they'd take advantage of that and diddle away.

 

[strummingram]

I agree with you on the rest of your stance here, that we should be more open with that and not as veiled, etc.

But I don't see the logic in the quoted part. An older man wanting to touch a little boy is a natural inclination of some (at least if we go by the evidence that is out there that homosexuality and things of that nature are ingrained in the person's DNA and not a "choice"). If we lived in a society that didn't shame them for diddling little kids, I'd assume they'd take advantage of that and diddle away.

Well... imagine, if you can, where that behavior MIGHT be a totally acceptable behavior. Consensual is vital. I believe that a society that lacks shame also lacks the casualties of it. It's a bit existential because we can't comprehend it objectively.

Also, stop confusing homosexuality with pedophilia.

 

[prlyles]

Well... imagine, if you can, where that behavior MIGHT be a totally acceptable behavior. Consensual is vital. I believe that a society that lacks shame also lacks the casualties of it. It's a bit existential because we can't comprehend it objectively.

In Ancient Greece it was common for older men to have young boy lovers but you never heard what effect it had on the young boys.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

Well... imagine, if you can, where that behavior MIGHT be a totally acceptable behavior. Consensual is vital. I believe that a society that lacks shame also lacks the casualties of it. It's a bit existential because we can't comprehend it objectively.

Ok I guess this is where we diverge. I don't think it should be acceptable to have 45 y.o Uncle Jimmy touching 6 y.o. Little Timmy - even if Timmy "consents" because I don't think Timmy is capable of making a rationale decision at that age. If Uncle Jimmy wants to touch him - Timmy might say "sure" without really thinking of what he's doing, he just wants to make Uncle Jimmy happy.

Also, stop confusing homosexuality with pedophilia.

I'm not confusing the two - an older man touching a young boy is both.

 

[strummingram]

In Ancient Greece it was common for older men to have young boy lovers but you never heard what effect it had on the young boys.

If there's no fear, there's no harm.

But, I'm not sure about the natural inclinations. You see homosexuality in nature, but I rarely see adult dogs mating with puppies. I dunno... I'm learning as I go.

 

[strummingram]

It's been quite recent in our history that girls of 11, 12 13 were married. 19th century even early 20th century.

 

[chick_bleeds_carolina_blue]

The "stupid law" was passed to protect the women and girls in our lives from the millions of perverts who would take advantage of being able to go into restrooms and locker rooms with them. Not sure about you but I remember being 14 years old, I would have paid good money to have free access to the girls locker room. I'm glad we didn't and I'm certainly thankful for any law that will keep my daughters from having to deal with the kind of dude we all would have been if there were no rules.

Listen closely: the example/fear of any molestation or simple peeping/recording has NOTHING TO DO WITH TRANNIES.

Oh dear Lord! What the hell do you think women are doing in there that would make an idiot WANT to come in there???? Wanna know what we do in there? We take a piss behind a closed door, we wipe our kid's asses for them and we change our tampons!!!! We aren't in there stripping for each other, feeling each other up or any remotely close to what you tiny ding-dongs think we are doing.

I had a man follow me into a bathroom about 25 years ago when I was 25 years old and I told him to leave or the things I'd do to his genitals he absolutely would not enjoy and he left then I got security to escort him out of the mall. So it's going to happen no matter what. We need to teach our daughters how to handle it if it happens and we also need to address why men find it thrilling to do such things. That's the problem. Gays and TG are not!

 

[HeelFan58]

Which people?

are you people?

 

[HeelFan58]

I cannot imagine a woman not minding some male tranny dropping a steaming , paint peeling load in the female bathroom.

 

[Raising Heel]

I cannot imagine a woman not minding some male tranny dropping a steaming , paint peeling load in the female bathroom.

Because as everyone knows, girls don't poop.

 

[bleeduncblue]

Why is there an age that is ever too young to see a perfectly natural and universal part of a human male? They will see dogs, cats, horses, etc., but THEIR OWN SPECIES is inappropriate! It's no wonder people are perverted. They're literally taught to feel ashamed.

I am actually addressing bleeds assertion that children should be "protected" from knowing what naked adults look like.

At 5 or 8 years old, no, girls should not be exposed to the naked male body. Has nothing to do with being ashamed, not even sure where you get that. It's like saying a 5 year old should be allowed to watch an ISIS beheading ... ummmm, no .... certain things can do damage to a young brain. You can disagree, that's fine - but you're in the minority, based on the rules of the planet.

I suppose you're okay with child pornography too, right? Since there shouldn't be any rules with nudity and such.

 

[HeelFan58]

Ok I guess this is where we diverge. I don't think it should be acceptable to have 45 y.o Uncle Jimmy touching 6 y.o. Little Timmy - even if Timmy "consents" because I don't think Timmy is capable of making a rationale decision at that age. If Uncle Jimmy wants to touch him - Timmy might say "sure" without really thinking of what he's doing, he just wants to make Uncle Jimmy happy.



I'm not confusing the two - an older man touching a young boy is both.

so a man who is attracted to young boys is not a homosexual? Point blank question. Are you a supporter of "men who love boys" and think it is natural as they do?

 

[bleeduncblue]

Oh dear Lord! What the hell do you think women are doing in there that would make an idiot WANT to come in there????

So naive about the male species!

And don't forget, this law applies to locker rooms too .... inform me on what women do in there as well ... I'm sure it's all innocent and no man would care to see.

 

[Raising Heel]

so a man who is attracted to young boys is not a homosexual? Point blank question. Are you a supporter of "men who love boys" and think it is natural as they do?

He literally just said an older man touching a young boy is both homosexuality and pedophilia. He also made it very clear he doesn't approve of the latter.

 

[HeelFan58]

What about Bruce Springsteen, Boston, and Pearl Jam?

at least some of their music is decent although they are total douche bags Every song Boston did sounded the same. Jonas and Lovato are just pure lame. Most of these "artists" are nothing more than sheep following along with what ever is the perceived cool agenda of the day.

 

[strummingram]

At 5 or 8 years old, no, girls should not be exposed to the naked male body. Has nothing to do with being ashamed, not even sure where you get that.

Because that is the ONLY thing it can be! You let them see male BABIES, right? Baby boys have penises, too. Do you think that their going to be traumatized by seeing a human body? There's absolutely NOTHING unnatural about it.

It's like saying a 5 year old should be allowed to watch an ISIS beheading ... ummmm, no .... certain things can do damage to a young brain.

There's nothing natural about murder. That is a COMPLETELY inaccurate comparison. And, believe it or not, your TV probably guarantees that your child of 5 or 8 has already seen multiple murders. So, that effectively buries that assertion of yours.

I suppose you're okay with child pornography too, right? Since there shouldn't be any rules with nudity and such.

No, I'm not "okay with child pornography", you fvcking asshOle! Pornography is the result of people who insist on hiding and shaming our bodies. Can you understand that? It is the RESULT of that. It creates the whole basis of non-consensual sexual behavior. Non-consensual behavior is what this is all about. You're so immersed in fear that you can't even sort the cause and effects of any of it.

 

[HeelFan58]

He literally just said an older man touching a young boy is both homosexuality and pedophilia. He also made it very clear he doesn't approve of the latter.

he said perversions result from shame , guilt and fear and without those it wouldn't exist , so if there is no shame , guilt or fear are there no perversions.? Really?

 

[Raising Heel]

There's nothing natural about murder. That is a COMPLETELY inaccurate comparison. And, believe it or not, your TV probably guarantees that your child of 5 or 8 has already seen multiple murders. So, that effectively buries that assertion of yours.

Bleed doesn't post here enough to know you were going to pounce all over that one, strum. LOL.

 

[Raising Heel]

he said perversions result from shame , guilt and fear and without those it wouldn't exist , so if there is no shame , guilt or fear are there no perversions.? Really?

For crying out loud. You quoted @Hark_The_Sound_2010 but are addressing @strummingram. Your access to the message boards should come with a breathalyzer.

 

[strummingram]

Bleed doesn't post here enough to know you were going to pounce all over that one, strum. LOL.

I mean, I get that a parent wants to protect their child. That's a natural instinct. But, this aversion to our own bodies is worse than I thought with some people. They're so repressed that they instinctively expect the WORST!

My father had NO modesty. Now, he had 2 sons. But, I saw my mother naked when I was a baby on up through my entire life. It never bothered me. In the proper context, there is NOTHING to be ashamed of. I'm not encouraging people to walk around naked in public, but, if they did, I wouldn't be seeing anything I haven't already seen in abundance!

As far as pedophiles go, I don't get it. I've never understood how a prepubescent child evokes any kind of sexual impulse in someone. I don't even like it when women shave themselves bald. It doesn't look "womanly" to me. I've never understood how that became trendy. But.... I had to accept the trend.

 

[HeelFan58]

For crying out loud. You quoted @Hark_The_Sound_2010 but are addressing @strummingram. Your access to the message boards should come with a breathalyzer.

so I clicked on the wrong post. Get the **** over yourself douche bag.

 

[strummingram]

he said perversions result from shame , guilt and fear and without those it wouldn't exist , so if there is no shame , guilt or fear are there no perversions.? Really?

Yes, REALLY! That is the whole basis for having a conscience! When people do things and feel no shame or guilt about it, then how can they observe or feel anything resembling perversion? If you're a sociopath, it might be a different story. But, guess what? Sociopaths and psychopaths don't play by the same rules anyway. Signs on bathroom doors don't apply to them. But, I bet they even use public restrooms for the obvious reasons they exist.

 

[Raising Heel]

so I clicked on the wrong post. Get the **** over yourself douche bag.

I've never seen anybody confuse poasters/poasts before, yet you've managed to do it twice. You need to get your shit together before barking at anybody else.

 

[HeelFan58]

I've never seen anybody confuse poasters/poasts before, yet you've managed to do it twice. You need to get your shit together before barking at anybody else.

Funny ... he answered. You must be a woman cause only a woman holds every mistake you ever made against you. I feel sorry for your husband.

 

[strummingram]

Funny ... he answered. You must be a woman cause only a woman holds every mistake you ever made against you. I feel sorry for your husband.

That's clever. Calling a man a woman in an attempt to insult them. You're like... Fonzie cool, aren't you?

 

[Raising Heel]

That's clever. Calling a man a woman in an attempt to insult them. You're like... Fonzie cool, aren't you?

At least his insults have progressed beyond "high school girl."

Baby steps. Baby steps.

 

[Raising Heel]

Funny ... he answered.

Because I tagged him for you. I'm awesome at the interwebs. You're welcome.

 

[bleeduncblue]

....you fvcking asshOle!.

wondered when we'd get there. I love you too!

 

[bleeduncblue]

Part of my issue is that I work with an organization who rescues kids that are victims of sex trafficking in 3rd world countries - I have seen the worst of the worst and therefore have a built in propensity for guarding against the sickness that exists in the States too. I won't apologize for being overprotective of what my girls see as children. And I support any law or rule that keeps men and women in their appropriate restrooms and showers, regardless of what they "feel" like. Simple as that.

 

[tarheel0910]

That's clever. Calling a man a woman in an attempt to insult them. You're like... Fonzie cool, aren't you?

 

[chick_bleeds_carolina_blue]

So naive about the male species!

And don't forget, this law applies to locker rooms too .... inform me on what women do in there as well ... I'm sure it's all innocent and no man would care to see.

Changing clothes? Showers? Believe me I know how deviant the male mind can be. Men have a false sense on a lot of things. They believe they are all the best and size absolutely matters, both of which crack women up. Women, on the other hand, do mislead men often causing them to believe these things, I will admit but that's an entirely different topic for another time.

I just believe this whole HB2 thing is addressing the wrong thing. It's making the REAL problem a bigger problem.

 

[Raising Heel]

Part of my issue is that I work with an organization who rescues kids that are victims of sex trafficking in 3rd world countries - I have seen the worst of the worst and therefore have a built in propensity for guarding against the sickness that exists in the States too. I won't apologize for being overprotective of what my girls see as children. And I support any law or rule that keeps men and women in their appropriate restrooms and showers, regardless of what they "feel" like. Simple as that.

It's understandable how that experience would shape your perspective. Sex trafficking is sick and disturbing. Fortunately this isn't a 3rd world country, nor does the transgender bathroom issue engender that kind of evil.

 

[bleeduncblue]

I could not care less what other states do or what other folks think, I have a God given responsibility to look out for MY family and that's what I'm doing when I support this law - and I know hundreds of other families who feel exactly the same.

Any of us can find quotes and statistics to support all kinds of subjective behavior, cause-and-effect circumstances, etc thanks to the internet.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/23/a-rape-survivor-speaks-out-about-transgender-bathrooms/

http://www.mrctv.org/blog/university-dumps-transgender-bathrooms-after-peeping-incidents

http://www.dailywire.com/news/5190/...bused-women-and-children-amanda-prestigiacomo

http://www.dailywire.com/news/5228/...n-ladies-room-heres-what-amanda-prestigiacomo



At the end of the day it boils down to what we think is right and wrong and taking a stand where it seems important. To each his own.

 

[Raising Heel]

First of all, that video about Target doesn't specify a single incident. It's also extremely weird because there's no actual video and it's read entirely by a robotic voice. It might be alluding to this story, which was complete fiction.

The other link of yours I checked was the dailywire.com story, which has also been debunked. Not even gonna bother with the other two links you provided.

I doubt you were initially uncertain how you felt about the issue but were swayed by these stories. Still, they're a perfect example of the fear-mongering that people have already alluded to in this thread. There is a damaging campaign of misinformation out there that appeals to people's basest instincts and that's really unfortunate IMO.

 

[tarheel0910]

It's understandable how that experience would shape your perspective. Sex trafficking is sick and disturbing. Fortunately this isn't a 3rd world country, nor does the transgender bathroom issue engender that kind of evil.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your opinion, but media matters is not a site that anyone should use for anything. The fact they quote "right wing groups" and then quote "experts" on the other side tells you all you need to know.

 

[prlyles]

 

[Raising Heel]

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your opinion, but media matters is not a site that anyone should use for anything. The fact they quote "right wing groups" and then quote "experts" on the other side tells you all you need to know.

Trust me, I'm not a fan of Media Matters' liberal propaganda either. I posted it anyway because I felt like the attestations stand on their own (assuming the statements are valid, which I admit I didn't try to verify). If police departments and state human rights commissions aren't receiving any complaints, that's a good indication it's a non-issue.

 

[bleeduncblue]

Trust me, I'm not a fan of Media Matters' liberal propaganda either. I posted it anyway because I felt like the attestations stand on their own (assuming the statements are valid, which I admit I didn't try to verify). If police departments and state human rights commissions aren't receiving any complaints, that's a good indication it's a non-issue.

That's the funny part, I'm supposed to take what you link as good testament toward your argument but you then dismiss what I provide. Okay.

Excuse me for not counting the Las Vegas police department as "experts" on the matter. And I love how your link uses people from states that are (9 out of the 10, statistically) liberal hotbeds. The fear mongers vs the bleeding hearts. Gotta love America!

 

[tarheel0910]

By the way @Raising Heel I hate you for posting something that made me feel like I had to reply. This has to be the worst thread ever. Seven pages about trannies and a debate on whether or not pedophiles are really a bad thing. You suck.

 

[Raising Heel]

Excuse me for not counting the Las Vegas police department as "experts" on the matter.

Why not? That city is a freak show, and who better to know about criminal activity related to the transgender law than law enforcement?

And I love how your link uses people from states that are (9 out of the 10, statistically) liberal hotbeds.

Well it's kind of hard to assess the impact of a transgender law ... by looking at states without a transgender law. Derp.

That's the funny part, I'm supposed to take what you link as good testament toward your argument but you then dismiss what I provide.

It's not my fault your links are crap. I already showed you why two of them are worthless. And guess what? I just read the link from the Federalist. The author is a a woman who was raped, but it wasn't by a transgender. Her assault didn't happen as the result of any transgender laws. She's simply a victim of sexual violence who doesn't like transgender restroom laws. Okay.

The three men she suggests we Google? They all dressed up like women to gain access to women's restrooms. None of them were transgenders, and none of their crimes were facilitated by transgender laws. They were just regular old perverts doing regular old pervert things:

Jason Pomares
Norwood Smith Burnes
Taylor Buehler

The mrctv.com link? It's about how two males at the University of Toronto violated women's privacy. In fact, it appears the University has had a spate of incidents where students' rooms were broken into and women were peeped on in the shower. None perpetrated by transgenders, none allowed to occur because of transgender laws.

Should I even bother with the other links?