What's all the hubbub about today with NC govt and transsexuals?
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I was trying to figure this out at as well - since I saw a commotion blowing up my FB feed on this topic. I think there's more to it.
It seemed like they were trying to remove sexual orientation from being a protected thing (i.e. employers could now discriminate based on sexual orientation) - which is ridiculously stupid, IMO - and definitely a step backwards.
But it also had something to do with bathrooms. This is the part I didn't understand. It seemed like the law made you use the proper bathroom (according to your gender), which got some people upset because sometimes people identify with the opposite sex than they are. But unless I'm missing something there, that part seems to be reasonable. I know women in NC wouldn't want me strolling into their bathrooms and locker rooms on the reg because I claimed I felt like a woman that day.
It seemed like they were trying to remove sexual orientation from being a protected thing (i.e. employers could now discriminate based on sexual orientation) - which is ridiculously stupid, IMO - and definitely a step backwards.
But it also had something to do with bathrooms. This is the part I didn't understand. It seemed like the law made you use the proper bathroom (according to your gender), which got some people upset because sometimes people identify with the opposite sex than they are. But unless I'm missing something there, that part seems to be reasonable. I know women in NC wouldn't want me strolling into their bathrooms and locker rooms on the reg because I claimed I felt like a woman that day.
It's a HUGE deal for our State, right now.
As the father of two girls (also have nieces) I cannot stomach the fact that any "man" can waltz into the restroom where these girls are doing their business. I'm not worried about the Trannies as much as the perverts who will see this as an opportunity - and rest assured, they will.
It's just amazing that this is a topic. Although given the moral decline of our society, I'm not sure why I'm surprised?!?
As the father of two girls (also have nieces) I cannot stomach the fact that any "man" can waltz into the restroom where these girls are doing their business. I'm not worried about the Trannies as much as the perverts who will see this as an opportunity - and rest assured, they will.
It's just amazing that this is a topic. Although given the moral decline of our society, I'm not sure why I'm surprised?!?
Im still really confused about this whole thing. Why are people protesting bathrooms?
Seems to me if you look like a chick, then go to the girls bathroom. If you actually have a penis, you will find you need to walk into a stall like everyone else and shut the door. However if you look like a dude, go to the boys bathroom. In the event you have a vag, walk into the stall and close the door and have a pee.
What am I missing here?
Seems to me if you look like a chick, then go to the girls bathroom. If you actually have a penis, you will find you need to walk into a stall like everyone else and shut the door. However if you look like a dude, go to the boys bathroom. In the event you have a vag, walk into the stall and close the door and have a pee.
What am I missing here?
lol at "moral decline of our society"
transgenders are not a threat to your race or any other...i don't care either way, not bothered by this because my wife and i educate our children daily...the fact that there's a bill like this is pathetic...having said that, NC is finally behind SC in humanity.
transgenders are not a threat to your race or any other...i don't care either way, not bothered by this because my wife and i educate our children daily...the fact that there's a bill like this is pathetic...having said that, NC is finally behind SC in humanity.
Explain please. I fail to see how bathrooms, unless it means no indoor plumbing, contribute to a heightened or lowered state of humanity.
What about this law is offensive? I honestly don't get it either way. Why does anyone care?
Doesnt a tranny use the bathroom that is for the gender that he or she is assuming? So doesn't this law say that a tranny that looks like a woman uses the woman's bathroom and a tranny that looks like a man uses the men's?
You seem like you're really, really fearful of any type of sexual deviants or even those who just have an active sex life that includes watching pornography, an activity that even the most devout Christian people I know regularly do. What's up?
If you are a man but identify as a woman, cut your damn pecker off! That solves the problem. Same for women. Remove the breast and get a pecker. Don't half ass it. If you truly believe you belong as the opposite sex make the change.
I don't want men in the same restrooms as my 3 daughters and 4 granddaughters either.
I don't want men in the same restrooms as my 3 daughters and 4 granddaughters either.
ok, maybe humanity is strong...i just don't care and i don't know of any legitimate reason why anyone would.
Exactly- I don't understand why anyone from a flaming tranny to a flaming homophobe cares.
Someone needs to explain to me why the LGBT is in an uproar or else I am going to chalk this up to stereotypes.
The bathroom thing is totally legitimate to me. It seems wrong to have people who are anatomically men going into a women's bathroom. Just because they identify as female, that doesn't make it any less an invasion of the other women's privacy.
But let's step back for a second and ask this question.....how many North Carolinians (men who identify as women and vice versa) does this actually affect? Has to be less than 5,000 I would imagine. So all this back and forth on both sides of the issue, about something that affects so few people? Weird.
If y'all wanna argue about something, we can discuss the Georgia religious freedom bill that governor Nathan Deal just vetoed because he's got no spine and bowed to the threats of Fortune 500 companies.
But let's step back for a second and ask this question.....how many North Carolinians (men who identify as women and vice versa) does this actually affect? Has to be less than 5,000 I would imagine. So all this back and forth on both sides of the issue, about something that affects so few people? Weird.
If y'all wanna argue about something, we can discuss the Georgia religious freedom bill that governor Nathan Deal just vetoed because he's got no spine and bowed to the threats of Fortune 500 companies.
Which bathroom should this person use?
the closest they can get to
If there is a pecker there the men's. If not the women's, simple as that.Which bathroom should this person use?
check this out. 1 in every 2000 births has ambiguous genitalia. today the parents can get dna testing (not covered by insurance) to decide what surgical procedure but before dna testing was available, and still the majority of time today, they had to guess the gender. Wonder how many guessed right? About half i would say. So when u consider that 4 mil people are born a year that means 2000 per year have had their sex decided by basically a flip of the coin. And furthermore how many get told later by their parents? None? So the notion that there is a significant population of americans who are genetically one gender while physically another deserves consideration.
Well that person has a vagina. So which visual do u think would "harm" or confuse your granddaughter more, this person walking into a restroom and into a stall next to them or someone that appears to be a woman walking into a restroom and into a stall next to them?
I think the whole "potty" thing is even further proof of the culture's fear of sexuality and natural functions of our own bodies. I always find it fascinating how "lower life forms" drop poops and peeps wherever they want! No shame, no guilt, no fear! Just "exit here." It's awesome! Wouldn't it be great if we had no inhibitions about it? We used to be that way... when we were born and through infancy and toddler-hood. Then we were taught to be ashamed of it. I dunno, man, pooping and peeing are mandatory. That "privacy" thing is a result of being taught to be ashamed of it and ashamed of your own body.
There are more "primitive" cultures where parents have sex in full view of their offspring. Those cultures have virtually no understanding or conception of "rape." When you remove fear (guilt and shame are examples of fear), then things go much more smoothly.
There are more "primitive" cultures where parents have sex in full view of their offspring. Those cultures have virtually no understanding or conception of "rape." When you remove fear (guilt and shame are examples of fear), then things go much more smoothly.
Born a man, always a man. No amount of surgery can turn a man into a woman or vise versa. You may look like whatever gender you wish you were, but you're not. JMO
Read my post above cool. U can certainly be born one gender but physically appear to be another.
So explain to me this ambiguous genitalia thing (I'm not googling that shit).... I get that it's ambiguous at birth, but how quickly in life does it become clear? 3 years? 5 years? 10?
I'm just taking the stats you posted as true because I don't know and don't care enough to actually look them up. But, if 1 in 2000 are ambiguous, and your estimate of 50% being chosen incorrectly is roughly correct, that would mean that 1 in 4000 are effected by this. 1/4000 = 0.00025%. Now, I have no problem with being accommodating (within reason) - and I definitely can say that discriminating against these people (as is discriminating against any other group of people) is wrong. However, at 0.00025% I think you and I have a different definition of what is a "significant" proportion of the population.
Well, you already know that we are all basically females, except near the end of gestation. That extra chromosome shows up and we have the testes form. Have you NEVER seen a woman with a "larger-than-average" clitoris? That is basically a penis, in shape.
This whole affair, of course, started when the Charlotte City Council voted last month in favor of a non-discrimination ordinance which amended the existing city code, and now protects, among other things, gender identity and expression from discrimination in public and private institutions.
The problem many have with House Bill 2, not just here in our state but across the nation, is the fact that our noble politicians in Raleigh didn't stop there.
This sometimes serious, sometimes tongue-in-cheek Q and A explains what is included in House Bill 2 and its potential ramifications. The Bill itself is only four and a half pages, so you can check it out without getting too bogged down in political mumbo jumbo.
The good news? House Bill 2 will be the death knell for Governor McCrory and our Republican-controlled house and senate. Go Roy Cooper!
The problem many have with House Bill 2, not just here in our state but across the nation, is the fact that our noble politicians in Raleigh didn't stop there.
This sometimes serious, sometimes tongue-in-cheek Q and A explains what is included in House Bill 2 and its potential ramifications. The Bill itself is only four and a half pages, so you can check it out without getting too bogged down in political mumbo jumbo.
The good news? House Bill 2 will be the death knell for Governor McCrory and our Republican-controlled house and senate. Go Roy Cooper!
Thanks for that. So basically this law says that the only protected classes are those established on the Federal level. The beef should really be with the feds, not NC, right?
I now see why everyone is fired up- the Trial Lawyer lobby is involved as one can no longer sue for discrimination in NC state court.
So here'e the what if: What if a tranny decides he is being discriminated against at his workplace because of bathroom policy? Prior to this law, the tranny could sue. Now the tranny can't.
It's my understanding that HB2 covers a lot more than just who goes to what bathroom.
well i admit i'm taking huge liberties with assumptions here but just hear me out. i'm taking into account that the us is populated by people mainly born from 1940 to the present. So thats 75yrs. Of course a lot are dead. But still with the 4 mil/yr birth avg and 1/2000 being ambiguous thats 150k births. Assuming half the parents guessed wrong thats 75k people.
I did a lot of reading on this re jenner and evidently something happen in utero that interrupts the flow of testosterone to the fetus and disrupts the formation of the genitals. The pics run the gamut of masc looking men with tiny penises to voluptuous females with huge clits. We are all born female and our dna dictates whether or not we get the testosterone blast. Its never "fixed" naturally and this is where hermaphroditism comes from. But usually the parents are consulted at birth and they basically choose then whether to have a boy or girl and surgery completes what nature didnt. Anyway its not the sexual deviancy thing that so many people try to make it. I cant imagine what it would be like to have the dna of a woman and the package of a man.
Wait a minute. What exactly do you mean by "I'm out"?
Thats not the point, if you open this up then you can't tell anyone that they can't use this or that bathroom so who is going to stop a perv that is real a man and isn't looking to change that that he can't use this or that room!
You open it up for freaks to be able to use this law to support there messed up world they live in!
The picture you posted is not the issue that person can go into the men's room walk in a stall and sit down and piss and no one knows anyou differant but who is going to stop this guy
From claiming he is a woman to use the women bathroom just to get his rocks off to some young girls?
I don't have girls but if I did like @bleeduncblue I would be a nervous wreck it is a sad world when we compromise the safety of our children to satisfy a bunch of sicko!
But then again what should I expect when the media crowns Bruce Jenner as courageous!
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