Zero evidence of any racist incidents on Mizzou campus
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Not considering the eyewitnesses who used such trumped and flimsy charges to get a man fired and ruin his career when even if the charges were true, which is highly dubious, there is no evidence the university president did anything wrong whatsoever.
So maybe you should revise the title of this thread to say "Zero evidence that university president did anything wrong whatsoever."
That was after the fact, right? And the university president's only fault, it appears, was that he was white.
This is just another ploy to stir up racist tensions and it is working. It should be called out for what it is, and those behind it perhaps brought up on honor court charges and dismissed.
Not sure which "campus authorities" the Federalist talked to (why didn't they cite names) but the swastika story has been confirmed in police reports: http://www.usnews.com/news/us/artic...onfirms-university-of-missouri-swastika-story
Ok, but still so what? Who did it? The protestors perhaps? This is what passes for disturbing incidents? Moreover this just plays into the racists on both sides. The anti-white racists can now insist any racist epithet should mean the people in charge should be dismissed regardless of the fact they are not responsible, and just think of what some white supremacists could do now. They could go around and cause a huge stink just riding up and yelling the N-word at a college kid.
The whole thing is absurdly farcical and stupid and playing right into the hands of those with bad motives.
I don't disagree with any of that. The problem with this thread is its title and the absolutely absurd link/story that accompanied it.
We can argue all day about the severity of the incidents and how to address them, but the suggestion that the issues at Missouri have been completely manufactured is tin foil hat material.
Not when the witness is the one who was supposedly the object of the abuse with no corroboration. And not when the witness just this week claimed that the KKK was on campus, throwing rocks thru windows and terrorizing people, and that the police were there, and they were escorting the KKK around campus while they harassed black people. Then when there was no proof of any of that, he walked it all back. It never happened, yet there he was on social media, MAKING IT UP OUT OF WHOLE CLOTH. That person is the same as the one that claimed the yahoos in the truck called him the n word. THE STUDENT GOVERNMENT PRESIDENT. He's so very oppressed.
I call him a liar and a rabble rouser.
Really? This wouldn't be the first time a college fell for an absolute hoax. First, we have conflicting reports it even happened. Second, we have no reports of who did it. Most likely the group wanting to stir things up did it, if you look at past incidents and subsequent manufactured outrage.
And lastly, assuming the worst, that someone drew a swastika in the middle of the night with feces, is that really something to fire the university president over? Is that really some "issue" deserving of all of this?
I don't think so. If you have thousands of college kids at a university, guess what? Someone will be a racist, another a drug addict, another sexist, etc,....it's going to exist. Not every person and certainly not every college kid is a saint.
And, anyone crying over what someone wore at Halloween gets no sympathy from me either. To me, that's like complaining that an SNL skit was too racist, or that it was too sensitive subject matter, or too satirical.
Halloween is mainly for children, but to whatever extent adults indulge, it is glaringly obvious that whatever is being worn is typically intended to be satire, making fun of, showing light of, and any other terminology that applies. Occasionally, the rare combination of clever and racist find one another. Take it on an individual basis. If a person wears black-face and has a tree limb fixed over their head and a noose around their neck from the tree limb, it's going to offend someone. Is it in poor taste? Absolutely. You can even ostracize the person who did it. Shame them. But, try to realize it is Halloween and at least now you know just how insensitive the person who wears it can be. It's certainly not the accepted norm or the general attitude held by the majority.
And, holding institutions, like a public university, accountable for moronic things individuals do is usually curing the headache by cutting off the head. People do dumb things. People do things to be cruel to other people. It really sucks when the cruel things become popular and others start doing it. But, the easiest, and most effective, thing you can do is not mimic them. And, don't give them a bigger audience, especially if you think that's exactly what they'd enjoy!
Halloween is mainly for children, but to whatever extent adults indulge, it is glaringly obvious that whatever is being worn is typically intended to be satire, making fun of, showing light of, and any other terminology that applies. Occasionally, the rare combination of clever and racist find one another. Take it on an individual basis. If a person wears black-face and has a tree limb fixed over their head and a noose around their neck from the tree limb, it's going to offend someone. Is it in poor taste? Absolutely. You can even ostracize the person who did it. Shame them. But, try to realize it is Halloween and at least now you know just how insensitive the person who wears it can be. It's certainly not the accepted norm or the general attitude held by the majority.
And, holding institutions, like a public university, accountable for moronic things individuals do is usually curing the headache by cutting off the head. People do dumb things. People do things to be cruel to other people. It really sucks when the cruel things become popular and others start doing it. But, the easiest, and most effective, thing you can do is not mimic them. And, don't give them a bigger audience, especially if you think that's exactly what they'd enjoy!
He should be kicked out of school and his fraud referred to the local police and DA for action. They won't prosecute but the school should send a message. Falsely claiming the Klan is terrorizing people as student body president and so disrupting the entire school should be an honor code violation or something. Kick him out. Expose him and reinstate the university president and tell the football players you realize they were hoodwinked but now they know, they play ball as is a condition of their scholarship or be dismissed as well.
Well, I think a swastika has become sort of an accepted symbol of white supremacy in general. If you're a black person walking down a street and you see a white person with a prominent Swastika tattoo, or on their T-shirt, or whatever, you're probably going to recoil just a smidgen. The percentage of blacks int he USA is a lot higher than the percentage of Jews. White supremacists have managed to "adopt" many symbols to represent them, including the Stars and Stripes. But, suffice it to say, the swastika displayed by someone here is not likely to be recruiting black people to join their ranks.
Well wadaya know.....http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...i-student-body-prez-payton-head-linked-obama/
This guy leading the protest is not legit. Nor is the protest. http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...sident/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
I'm a white guy, and I would recoil from a guy with a swastika. That symbol is and should be universally despised. I guess it's a short jump from promoting a master race, to declaring all other races are inferior, so I can kind of see the connection, but if I were wanting to make a display to be racist against blacks, I'd want to make sure it was a little more clear who I am insulting.
I would still be likely to attribute that to anti Semitism.
If it was anti-semitism, that poses a problem for today's campus radicals since they tend to be anti-semitic themselves.
These campus leftists don't seem to mind swastikas as long as they are targeting Jews and Israel.http://www.timesofisrael.com/when-does-anti-israel-become-anti-semitic-on-campus/
Claiming there's a Master Race, and associating a symbol to it, doesn't leave much room for interpretation.
I never truly understood the "race" aspect and Judaism. I guess "racial" means different things to different people. I always thought most Jews, especially Ashkenazim, as being basically "white." Sephardi Jews are Middle Eastern, but, that's not Europe. I try not to put much effort in rationalizing the thought processes of people who've convinced themselves that only human beings with the same shade of skin color, and other aesthetics, are, by some natural law, superior to the rest of the human beings. On the inside, we are made of identical stuff. I envy blind people sometimes.
The feces? You have a police report, and then you have a conservative website citing "campus authorities" instead of actually naming its sources. You also have a group of black students planning a homecoming event who have verified another incident.
But we do have two white students arrested for making death threats online. Is that not evidence of actual racial animus?
You're conflating the issues again. I've never supported his resignation. In fact, if you read the other threads on the topic, I've argued against it. For the last time, the issue is that the title of this thread is demonstrably incorrect and so is the idiotic article you linked.
I think the 2 white dudes arrested were NOT students...they lived like 75 miles away......I may be wrong but I ded see that reported!
They're both students at schools in the University of Missouri system.
One of them posted "Don't go to campus tomorrow" and "I'm going to stand my ground tomorrow and shoot every black person I see" and "We’re waiting for you at the parking lots. We will kill you."
This was all addressed to the protestors in Columbia so it's irrelevant IMO where they live or even whether they're students.
As RH pointed out, one incident was reported by a group of people, none of whom was the student body president. And another incident was documented in a police report. I get that you don't believe any of these people. But maybe the title of the thread should have been "I don't believe black Mizzou students' accusations of racism." Or better yet, post that in the thread we already have on this topic. Why start a new thread claiming "zero evidence" when that is blatantly false?
But I think you get his point. You're arguing that the thread title is misleading because there was indeed some sort of unsettling situation regarding race on Mizzou campus. But to argue that is stating the obvious. There's an unsettling situation regarding race happening outside my office window right now...and yours too. And pretty much on any block in any city in America, right now. The intent of randman's thread was to say that there's "zero evidence of any extraordinary racists incidents on Mizzou campus". But I'm not that literal. I knew exactly what he was trying to say. And I have to think you did. Which is why I'm puzzled that you're taking such issue with the thread title.
BS. The article he linked was specifically denying that any of the events that have been reported ever occurred. And here's what randman said in the other thread, in case you're still doubtful as to what he meant:
"This is all one big fraud just like Ferguson and trumped up by the same crowd. Bet there were no racial incidents in the first place. Looks completely contrived. . . . . Doesn't even look like anything happened at Mizzou. Just some PC bullies manufacturing a crisis."
Ok, I'll amend his statement to be exact:
"This all one big fraud just like Ferguson and trumped up by the same crowd. Bet there were no extraordinary racial incidents in the first place. Or at least I bet there was nothing worthy of the protests that have transpired. Looks completely contrived.....Doesn't even look like anything happened at Mizzou that doesn't happen in Everywhere, America. Just some PC bullies manufacturing a crisis."
Oh no, I believe that the incident on campus with the drunk student happened, I think there were several witnesses to that one. Black guys get called the n word, white guys get called crackers and honky and pinkys. How is any of that fault of the university?
There's no proof of the truck incident, but I took him at his word, and I had no reason to disbelieve him until he completely fabricated the KKK scare- THEN his credibility with me took a large hit. Wouldn't that cause you to at the very least take his story with a grain of salt? He is not the student body pres, he's student govt pres, not that it matters. And he fabricated a huge lie about the KKK being on campus being escorted by policemen. In light of the fact that he made that up, how much credence would YOU give his earlier claim? Serious question.
Why are there no pictures of the feces swastika? I'm not categorically saying it didn't happen, but where is the proof other than the police report? With everyone having a camera in their pocket at all times, don't you think there would be at least ONE picture of it? If the police wrote it down, I'll accept that is was there, but there is no proof of who did it. None. There's no proof it WASN'T a white racist, but none that it was, either. It's the rush to judgment that troubles me.
I get all this. But this isn't what randman said. He (and the article he linked) were stating that there was no evidence that any of these things ever occurred. I never once said any of this was the fault of the university or the president, and I'm not defending the protesters' demands or tactics. I'm just saying its ridiculous to go the extra step and say there were no racist incidents on the campus.
As to the student government president, my understanding is that he was just repeating what he heard about the KKK being on campus. At least that's what he said when he apologized for it. Not a smart thing to do, but it's qualitatively different than making up an outright lie. In any event, I don't really care whether people believe them or not. I was just taking issue with randy's statement that there was no evidence of any of the events occurring, when there most certainly is. Whether you trust that evidence is another story.
Why would you believe him when he said he was just repeating what he heard? How do you know it wasn't an outright lie?
