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Eyewitness testimony isn't evidence?
That was after the fact, right? And the university president's only fault, it appears, was that he was white.
So maybe you should revise the title of this thread to say "Zero evidence that university president did anything wrong whatsoever."
Not sure which "campus authorities" the Federalist talked to (why didn't they cite names) but the swastika story has been confirmed in police reports: http://www.usnews.com/news/us/artic...onfirms-university-of-missouri-swastika-story
I don't disagree with any of that. The problem with this thread is its title and the absolutely absurd link/story that accompanied it.Ok, but still so what? Who did it? The protestors perhaps? This is what passes for disturbing incidents? Moreover this just plays into the racists on both sides. The anti-white racists can now insist any racist epithet should mean the people in charge should be dismissed regardless of the fact they are not responsible, and just think of what some white supremacists could do now. They could go around and cause a huge stink just riding up and yelling the N-word at a college kid.
The whole thing is absurdly farcical and stupid and playing right into the hands of those with bad motives.
We can argue all day about the severity of the incidents and how to address them, but the suggestion that the issues at Missouri have been completely manufactured is tin foil hat material.How so?
Not when the witness is the one who was supposedly the object of the abuse with no corroboration. And not when the witness just this week claimed that the KKK was on campus, throwing rocks thru windows and terrorizing people, and that the police were there, and they were escorting the KKK around campus while they harassed black people. Then when there was no proof of any of that, he walked it all back. It never happened, yet there he was on social media, MAKING IT UP OUT OF WHOLE CLOTH. That person is the same as the one that claimed the yahoos in the truck called him the n word. THE STUDENT GOVERNMENT PRESIDENT. He's so very oppressed.Eyewitness testimony isn't evidence?
We can argue all day about the severity of the incidents and how to address them, but the suggestion that the issues at Missouri have been completely manufactured is tin foil hat material.
Not when the witness is the one who was supposedly the object of the abuse with no corroboration. And not when the witness just this week claimed that the KKK was on campus, throwing rocks thru windows and terrorizing people, and that the police were there, and they were escorting the KKK around campus while they harassed black people. Then when there was no proof of any of that, he walked it all back. It never happened, yet there he was on social media, MAKING IT UP OUT OF WHOLE CLOTH. That person is the same as the one that claimed the yahoos in the truck called him the n word. THE STUDENT GOVERNMENT PRESIDENT. He's so very oppressed.
I call him a liar and a rabble rouser.
When did a swastika become a symbol of white racism against blacks?
I'm a white guy, and I would recoil from a guy with a swastika. That symbol is and should be universally despised. I guess it's a short jump from promoting a master race, to declaring all other races are inferior, so I can kind of see the connection, but if I were wanting to make a display to be racist against blacks, I'd want to make sure it was a little more clear who I am insulting.Well, I think a swastika has become sort of an accepted symbol of white supremacy in general. If you're a black person walking down a street and you see a white person with a prominent Swastika tattoo, or on their T-shirt, or whatever, you're probably going to recoil just a smidgen. The percentage of blacks int he USA is a lot higher than the percentage of Jews. White supremacists have managed to "adopt" many symbols to represent them, including the Stars and Stripes. But, suffice it to say, the swastika displayed by someone here is not likely to be recruiting black people to join their ranks.
I'm a white guy, and I would recoil from a guy with a swastika. That symbol is and should be universally despised. I guess it's a short jump from promoting a master race, to declaring all other races are inferior, so I can kind of see the connection, but if I were wanting to make a display to be racist against blacks, I'd want to make sure it was a little more clear who I am insulting.
I would still be likely to attribute that to anti Semitism.
Claiming there's a Master Race, and associating a symbol to it, doesn't leave much room for interpretation.I'm a white guy, and I would recoil from a guy with a swastika. That symbol is and should be universally despised. I guess it's a short jump from promoting a master race, to declaring all other races are inferior, so I can kind of see the connection, but if I were wanting to make a display to be racist against blacks, I'd want to make sure it was a little more clear who I am insulting.
I would still be likely to attribute that to anti Semitism.
The feces? You have a police report, and then you have a conservative website citing "campus authorities" instead of actually naming its sources. You also have a group of black students planning a homecoming event who have verified another incident.First, we have conflicting reports it even happened.
But we do have two white students arrested for making death threats online. Is that not evidence of actual racial animus?Second, we have no reports of who did it. Most likely the group wanting to stir things up did it, if you look at past incidents and subsequent manufactured outrage.
You're conflating the issues again. I've never supported his resignation. In fact, if you read the other threads on the topic, I've argued against it. For the last time, the issue is that the title of this thread is demonstrably incorrect and so is the idiotic article you linked.And lastly, assuming the worst, that someone drew a swastika in the middle of the night with feces, is that really something to fire the university president over? Is that really some "issue" deserving of all of this?
The feces? You have a police report, and then you have a conservative website citing "campus authorities" instead of actually naming its sources. You also have a group of black students planning a homecoming event who have verified another incident.
But we do have two white students arrested for making death threats online. Is that not evidence of actual racial animus?
You're conflating the issues again. I've never supported his resignation. In fact, if you read the other threads on the topic, I've argued against it. For the last time, the issue is that the title of this thread is demonstrably incorrect and so is the idiotic article you linked.
They're both students at schools in the University of Missouri system.I think the 2 white dudes arrested were NOT students...they lived like 75 miles away......I may be wrong but I ded see that reported!
As RH pointed out, one incident was reported by a group of people, none of whom was the student body president. And another incident was documented in a police report. I get that you don't believe any of these people. But maybe the title of the thread should have been "I don't believe black Mizzou students' accusations of racism." Or better yet, post that in the thread we already have on this topic. Why start a new thread claiming "zero evidence" when that is blatantly false?Not when the witness is the one who was supposedly the object of the abuse with no corroboration. And not when the witness just this week claimed that the KKK was on campus, throwing rocks thru windows and terrorizing people, and that the police were there, and they were escorting the KKK around campus while they harassed black people. Then when there was no proof of any of that, he walked it all back. It never happened, yet there he was on social media, MAKING IT UP OUT OF WHOLE CLOTH. That person is the same as the one that claimed the yahoos in the truck called him the n word. THE STUDENT GOVERNMENT PRESIDENT. He's so very oppressed.
I call him a liar and a rabble rouser.
For the last time, the issue is that the title of this thread is demonstrably incorrect and so is the idiotic article you linked.
Yeah, okay.The intent of randman's thread was to say that there's "zero evidence of any extraordinary racists incidents on Mizzou campus".
BS. The article he linked was specifically denying that any of the events that have been reported ever occurred. And here's what randman said in the other thread, in case you're still doubtful as to what he meant:The intent of randman's thread was to say that there's "zero evidence of any extraordinary racists incidents on Mizzou campus".
BS. The article he linked was specifically denying that any of the events that have been reported ever occurred. And here's what randman said in the other thread, in case you're still doubtful as to what he meant:
"This is all one big fraud just like Ferguson and trumped up by the same crowd. Bet there were no racial incidents in the first place. Looks completely contrived. . . . . Doesn't even look like anything happened at Mizzou. Just some PC bullies manufacturing a crisis."
You're giving him entirely too much credit.Ok, I'll amend his statement to be exact:
"This all one big fraud just like Ferguson and trumped up by the same crowd. Bet there were no extraordinary racial incidents in the first place. Or at least I bet there was nothing worthy of the protests that have transpired. Looks completely contrived.....Doesn't even look like anything happened at Mizzou that doesn't happen in Everywhere, America. Just some PC bullies manufacturing a crisis."
As RH pointed out, one incident was reported by a group of people, none of whom was the student body president. And another incident was documented in a police report. I get that you don't believe any of these people. But maybe the title of the thread should have been "I don't believe black Mizzou students' accusations of racism." Or better yet, post that in the thread we already have on this topic. Why start a new thread claiming "zero evidence" when that is blatantly false?
I get all this. But this isn't what randman said. He (and the article he linked) were stating that there was no evidence that any of these things ever occurred. I never once said any of this was the fault of the university or the president, and I'm not defending the protesters' demands or tactics. I'm just saying its ridiculous to go the extra step and say there were no racist incidents on the campus.Oh no, I believe that the incident on campus with the drunk student happened, I think there were several witnesses to that one. Black guys get called the n word, white guys get called crackers and honky and pinkys. How is any of that fault of the university?
There's no proof of the truck incident, but I took him at his word, and I had no reason to disbelieve him until he completely fabricated the KKK scare- THEN his credibility with me took a large hit. Wouldn't that cause you to at the very least take his story with a grain of salt? He is not the student body pres, he's student govt pres, not that it matters. And he fabricated a huge lie about the KKK being on campus being escorted by policemen. In light of the fact that he made that up, how much credence would YOU give his earlier claim? Serious question.
Why are there no pictures of the feces swastika? I'm not categorically saying it didn't happen, but where is the proof other than the police report? With everyone having a camera in their pocket at all times, don't you think there would be at least ONE picture of it? If the police wrote it down, I'll accept that is was there, but there is no proof of who did it. None. There's no proof it WASN'T a white racist, but none that it was, either. It's the rush to judgment that troubles me.
As to the student government president, my understanding is that he was just repeating what he heard about the KKK being on campus. At least that's what he said when he apologized for it. Not a smart thing to do, but it's qualitatively different than making up an outright lie..