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Quick stuff (dook game)...

Dave & Dunk - I appreciate the optimism and have tried to maintain it thus far as well. I also posted pregame that we shouldn't get our panties in a wad when we get blown out at Duke. Horrible matchup of size and talent on their home floor.

What has really turned the corner on my thinking is that we are on our 23rd game of Hubert's 4th season. We finally saw a zone and a game where we switched defenses. Both slowed dook, at least long enough for them to try to figure out what we were doing.

Size is difficult to deal with on the basketball court, but not impossible. I'll never forget playing against a 7' 2 dude in college (I'm 6'7). You can't just look at the mismatch and walk off the court. You have to figure out how to utilize whatever advantage you have. So I'll ask again, what happened to utilizing our strengths that we talked about before the season began. We knew we were going to be small and we talked about pressing and running waves of people at opponents. What I have seen so far this year is half court sets (actually it's usually just one play) and us pounding the ball into the floor until we have 8 seconds left in the shot clock.

Unfortunately, all of the issues plaguing this team ultimately come down to coaching. From composition of the team, to the way utilize our players, to lineups, to sub patterns, team chemistry, and of course the X's and O's all stop with Hubert.

As I just said in another thread, I take no joy in saying that I believe Hubert needs to be replaced.
First, THANK YOU for such a quality reply, there isn't a single thing in your reply that I can see as wrong. You asked a great question, let me reply,

"So I'll ask again, what happened to utilizing our strengths that we talked about before the season began"

You seem to recall exactly what I was saying pre-season, kudos for that! Full court token to hard press, to hard press and traps for a FULL 40Min of hell akin to Nolan Richardson's plan. I still very strongly believe that would have made a major difference in the results so far this season. The problem Nocal is that was MY THINKING, clearly Hubert saw it differently. Now there havebeen some things that have played in to that, Tyson was/is IMO a buster, RJ slow start shooting, Seth concussion, Cadeau not learning how to stay away from foul trouble and far to risky passes, the same sketchy JWit, Jalen playing so soft far to often played a large part in that but those things if anything may have been helped had we played differently in the way I suggested. Sol where did it go, it din't go any where because it never arrived.

Yes, there are things that can at least help neutralize size but we can agree, that longer guy has a huge advantage, the smaller guy just has way less margin for error. And when it gets to the point that the smaller team has to play mostly half court offense it becomes twice as hard. What does a boxer do when he is facing a much larger opponent, he doesn't go at him straight on and trade blows, he uses his speed, dances, counter punches, he wears down that bigger guy. Not so different in basketball.

To be such a small team we don't have a lot of deadly jump shooters that are consistently deadly, we don't have the guard length to be able to shoot over a lot of defenders, and as a team we are not really quick. To play the way I want you do need a mature developed team, we start 2 freshmen and a soph that honesty needs continued maturation. Can you imagine being a freshman right out of high school, you at 6'7" having to deal with that 7'2" lotto selection in the next NBA draft? You know full well how that will simply wear you down and how it can easily get in to your head.

I am VERY concerned with Hubert's development as a head coach, I expected him to learn from his mistakes more, he may be more hard headed that Roy and that from me is saying a ton. I have not been shy to talk about the short comings I have seen from Hubert, I do not feel he should have got the job, I have been clear about that, UNC just is not a job where we can have OJT for the head coach but here we are, 3.5yrs of OJT and if we stay with Hubert the OJT will still be happening. I said some where over the last couple days that in my opinion it takes about 10yrs of success for a coach to be ready for the UNC job. Your approach to offense and defense have to be solid in your mind, not made up as you go, this is not playing football in a sand lot. But we have started that journey now, should never have been started but here we are, same deal with Matt, hired far to early in his career. UNC has now invested 3.5yrs in Hubert's development, I do feel like we need to be absolutely sure before we waste that investment.

Couple more things I would add, first, I do think we will see a MUCH MUCH different, define that as MUCH BETTER, approach to the portal recruiting, I would at least as I type this like to see what Hubert can do when he is bidding on a more level playing ground. I remain VERY CONCERNED with this staff's ability to evaluate talent and that buck stops with Hubert. For example, I have said for his whole time at UNC that Jalen is a 4, he just is not a guy I want to see defending 5s, just a serous lack of physicality, to easily moved out of position by those big men. Lubin and JWit are much more physical and Jalen can jump shoot when he is confident, he has lost so much confidence playing at a position he is just over-whelmed by. I saw some baby steps in the right direction last night, better late than never, to little and to late for this season, yeah, likely so.

Cade Tyson

If we do have a new commitment to NIL, I would pose this question - What have we seen over the last four years to make us confident Hubert can develop and coach up a team full of good players? I witnessed a preseason #1 team opt out of the NIT and I can’t not remember that happened. This year appears to be another example of a top 10 preseason team that will miss the ncaa tournament.
Very fair points, he also led a flawed roster that was awful the year before, with a mass portal exodus find their groove and get to the National Championship game. He had 1 year portal adds last year that meshed and overachieved to many as a 1 seed, and lost a one bucket here or there game to Bama the final 4 squad in the sweet 16.

That would be the conundrum.😆
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Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Wes Miller looks like a coach that has definitely had his team quit on him at Cincinnati. He has a paid good class coming in, but it is going to be hard for him to last with zero prior sucess and the hot mess this year after paying in the portal, suppose to be good this year to make up for his start, totally going sideways in Cincy.

Careful with "family" wants.

Paging DaveChumpelle???

WYA AmyChumer??? Nothing to say in defense of your boy Hubert? Not gonna whine and blame NIL for the 20th time this year? He sure showed his coaching chops last night waiting to make adjustments down 25!

I guess you must be texting Hubcap to get your excuses coordinated and ready for the next week lol. Can't wait to see what horsesh*t you come up with next.

Hubert Davis

[from USA Today]
Nearly four years into his tenure, it’s fairly clear he isn't a top-10 coach, a top-20 coach or a top-30 coach. So why would North Carolina allow that to continue?​
Because he’s a really classy guy? Because he’s an alum? Because he made a national championship game? If that's the standard, Bruce Weber, Ben Howland, Paul Hewitt and Mike Davis would have had job security for life. Alas, that’s not how the world works at programs that are serious about basketball.​
North Carolina has a lot to think about over the next couple months. Maybe it's time to aim a little higher.​
Finally, someone in the media is ready to call it like it is and not sugarcoat shit.

I haven't forgotten the ridiculous gaslighting from the UNC Alumni-Media Complex telling us how this was such a great hire lmao.

UNC's Coaching Staff

Lebo had a .487 winning percentavge at ECU before being fired. He went on to help coach a high school team before a 1 year stint as an assistant in the g league before Hubert hired him. Just another friendship hire. We have way to many jobs for the boys.


Sullivan is the most frustrating player i've seen at UNC in my 50 years. Its not a coincedence we look like a terribly prepared team every game. We don't recognize shooters or execute offensively. Thats due to coaching.
Wait a minute. Are you saying that Pat Sullivan was more frustrating than Caleb love?!

Hubert Davis

It sucks for Hubert because, by all accounts, he is a great person. So is my Aunt Anne but she can't coach worth a shit either. I have to believe Bubba has already started his search to replace Hubert.
don't sell her short. At this point, maybe at least give her a look.

Sorry, I feel bad picking on Hubes like that. But something's got to give. I think that what has to give to save Hubert (for the time being) is some NIL money and someone who knows how to spend it.

Hubert Davis

[from USA Today]
Nearly four years into his tenure, it’s fairly clear he isn't a top-10 coach, a top-20 coach or a top-30 coach. So why would North Carolina allow that to continue?​
Because he’s a really classy guy? Because he’s an alum? Because he made a national championship game? If that's the standard, Bruce Weber, Ben Howland, Paul Hewitt and Mike Davis would have had job security for life. Alas, that’s not how the world works at programs that are serious about basketball.​
North Carolina has a lot to think about over the next couple months. Maybe it's time to aim a little higher.​

The only answer I have for that is that if we had pulled the trigger this early on Dean Smith, he might have ended his career with a 50-36 (58%) record and not even a single 20-win season to his name.

Ditto at Duke where in K's first 4 years he went 52-57 (49%).

For comparison, Hubert's current W-L percentage is 69%. That's the 2nd worst in my lifetime (only ahead of Doherty) but not actually too shabby. And he might end the season above 70%.
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Hubert might get sacked this year, but I'm guessing he will get one more year. Regardless, I don't know why anyone would think Bubba would fire him mid-season. If he wouldn't pull the trigger on Mack after JMU, then I can't see him doing that to Hubert, especially considering the ACCT gives everyone a second chance to salvage a crappy season and still make the dance.

Hubert Davis

Let me ask the board a question with humility and sincerity (not trying to incite anyone or anything other than a legitimate conversation).

What does Hubert Davis do well as a head basketball coach?

To all accounts, he is a wonderful person and that translates well when sitting in a living room of a recruits home with his family. That said, he hasn't been a great recruiter, but I would say he's average to good in that department.

I struggle to add to this list....
Recruiting out of HS = A-
Recruiting out of portal = B (higher if you blame NIL)
Developing players = C-
Pregame prep = C-
Halftime adjustments = B
In-game adjustments = C-
Leadership = C-

Quick stuff (dook game)...

NorcalTarheel from reading your post it is obvious you are one of the few here who have played some organized ball so you know size does matter on the court.

I guess I might be in the minority here but I do not see how a coaching change now with NIL making the big difference on who goes where. Why does anyone think otherwise the real reason that elite ACC coaches like Coach K, Coach Williams as well as the great coaches at Syracuse, Virginia and Miami all left coaching even if it was something they loved so much…
My thought on the coaching change is that, with the right hire, comes more NIL money. We only have to look at our own football program to see how that works. I also, unfortunately, believe that nil is only a small part of our problem. Unless we somehow get the number one recruiting and portal classes every year, we are always going to have to depend on coaching to recognize, game plan, and overcome strengths of other teams and our own weaknesses. I don't see Hubert doing that.

I think that part of the reason all of those elite ACC coaches retired is because the ACC was THE elite college basketball league and had more elite coaches. I don't disagree that most didn't want to deal with this professional League model that nil has brought to us. With the exception of Bennett at Virginia and maybe Jay wright at Villanova, most of those coaches were nearing retirement age anyway.

However, it works out and whatever decisions are made, none of which are mine thank goodness, I will pull for Carolina basketball until the day I die. It's just a little harder these days.

Go Heels!!!!
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