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pooponduke said:
And the irony of this is thicker than cement. Again, I'll concede any discussion about the prior election can wait (although there are some very, very interesting observations to be made in comparing some things/trends). But you never stop arguing over an event that ended 159 years ago and you want to tell @bluetoe to move on. That's some funny stuff.
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Civil war actually happened.

Fraud didn't. Paper recounts (often multiple, and often done by RED SoS) proved there was no mass fraud. It's a fabrication that you fell for.
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tarheel0910 said:
That's debatable. What isn't debatable is that Hispanics, as a whole, are more conservative on social issues. That would put them more in line with the GOP.
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Agree with this and don't understand why @blazers makes the pitch of Hispanics benefiting more from progressive policies. First, everyone benefits short term from any type of gift from someone else, but long term no one benefits from this when the entity doing the "giving" doesn't have anything to actually give. Hispanics are no different from anyone else and this class/categorical distinction stuff is a big part of the problem. Everyone benefits from policies that allows them to work hard and thrive. And from my perspective on Hispanics, all they want is the opportunity to do just that, like most Americans.

Which also brings up one of my pet peeves with the D's and media. Stop lumping all Hispanics/immigrants into one big basket. Immigrants come from all kinds of places and aren't just Hispanic. Further, there is a big, big, big difference between immigrants and illegals. Or, more accurately immigrants and criminals. They are not the same and should not be spoken of as one group. We desperately need to address the actual topic of immigration in our country, but criminally entering our country and then acting like those individuals are the same as the ones who legitimately applied and/or were processed at a legal port of entry is a false narrative being sold to us.
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strummingram said:
The democrats even conceded within 24 hours! They admitted they lost.

Hey! Let's bitch about the one we still lost 4 years ago!
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I'll give you that it's super early to revisit this topic and he should let the shine of the win diminish a bit before the past election gets explored once again, but the irony of this complaint from you is rich.

If Hillary gets to do Memoir Number 4, she'll do interviews to "bitch about the one we still lost [8] years ago!"

strummingram said:
He won yesterday... move-the-fvck-on.
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And the irony of this is thicker than cement. Again, I'll concede any discussion about the prior election can wait (although there are some very, very interesting observations to be made in comparing some things/trends). But you never stop arguing over an event that ended 159 years ago and you want to tell @bluetoe to move on. That's some funny stuff.

There will be all kinds of observations made about the breakdown of how Trump won this thing. Trends and comparisons to the prior election loss and the win in the one before that are natural and part of that process. Making observations about things like crazy, unusual turnout shouldn't be off the table or verboten to speak of just because one doesn't agree with the idea of some conspiracy or less than appropriate actions. Particularly in the absence of a compelling argument to explain something, there are always going to be theories to fill that void.
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gunslingerdick said:
I bet “like a baby” tonight.
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I get the sentiment, but I've never understood that saying. I don't know about you, but the babies I've been around in my life only had phases where they were good sleepers. More often, it was fitful and interrupted. That's why I said in my post way above that on that one occasion, I had "slept like a teenager." Guess I could also have said "slept like a college student".
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