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heels05champs said:

If we do have a new commitment to NIL, I would pose this question - What have we seen over the last four years to make us confident Hubert can develop and coach up a team full of good players? I witnessed a preseason #1 team opt out of the NIT and I can’t not remember that happened. This year appears to be another example of a top 10 preseason team that will miss the ncaa tournament.

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Very fair points, he also led a flawed roster that was awful the year before, with a mass portal exodus find their groove and get to the National Championship game. He had 1 year portal adds last year that meshed and overachieved to many as a 1 seed, and lost a one bucket here or there game to Bama the final 4 squad in the sweet 16.

That would be the conundrum.😆

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Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Wes Miller looks like a coach that has definitely had his team quit on him at Cincinnati. He has a paid good class coming in, but it is going to be hard for him to last with zero prior sucess and the hot mess this year after paying in the portal, suppose to be good this year to make up for his start, totally going sideways in Cincy.

Careful with "family" wants.

What Would Jesus Do? said:

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Nearly four years into his tenure, it’s fairly clear he isn't a top-10 coach, a top-20 coach or a top-30 coach. So why would North Carolina allow that to continue?​

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Because he’s a really classy guy? Because he’s an alum? Because he made a national championship game? If that's the standard, Bruce Weber, Ben Howland, Paul Hewitt and Mike Davis would have had job security for life. Alas, that’s not how the world works at programs that are serious about basketball.​

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North Carolina has a lot to think about over the next couple months. Maybe it's time to aim a little higher.​

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Finally, someone in the media is ready to call it like it is and not sugarcoat shit.

I haven't forgotten the ridiculous gaslighting from the UNC Alumni-Media Complex telling us how this was such a great hire lmao.

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Assasin3200 said:

Lebo had a .487 winning percentavge at ECU before being fired. He went on to help coach a high school team before a 1 year stint as an assistant in the g league before Hubert hired him. Just another friendship hire. We have way to many jobs for the boys.


Sullivan is the most frustrating player i've seen at UNC in my 50 years. Its not a coincedence we look like a terribly prepared team every game. We don't recognize shooters or execute offensively. Thats due to coaching.

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Wait a minute. Are you saying that Pat Sullivan was more frustrating than Caleb love?!

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What Would Jesus Do? said:

Recruiting out of HS = A-
Recruiting out of portal = B (higher if you blame NIL)
Developing players = C-
Pregame prep = C-
Halftime adjustments = B
In-game adjustments = C-
Leadership = C-

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Seems fair. A little higher marks on recruiting than I would give but not outrageous.

NorCalTarheel said:

It sucks for Hubert because, by all accounts, he is a great person. So is my Aunt Anne but she can't coach worth a shit either. I have to believe Bubba has already started his search to replace Hubert.

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don't sell her short. At this point, maybe at least give her a look.

Sorry, I feel bad picking on Hubes like that. But something's got to give. I think that what has to give to save Hubert (for the time being) is some NIL money and someone who knows how to spend it.

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The only answer I have for that is that if we had pulled the trigger this early on Dean Smith, he might have ended his career with a 50-36 (58%) record and not even a single 20-win season to his name.

Ditto at Duke where in K's first 4 years he went 52-57 (49%).

For comparison, Hubert's current W-L percentage is 69%. That's the 2nd worst in my lifetime (only ahead of Doherty) but not actually too shabby. And he might end the season above 70%.

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Hubert might get sacked this year, but I'm guessing he will get one more year. Regardless, I don't know why anyone would think Bubba would fire him mid-season. If he wouldn't pull the trigger on Mack after JMU, then I can't see him doing that to Hubert, especially considering the ACCT gives everyone a second chance to salvage a crappy season and still make the dance.

NorCalTarheel said:

Let me ask the board a question with humility and sincerity (not trying to incite anyone or anything other than a legitimate conversation).

What does Hubert Davis do well as a head basketball coach?

To all accounts, he is a wonderful person and that translates well when sitting in a living room of a recruits home with his family. That said, he hasn't been a great recruiter, but I would say he's average to good in that department.

I struggle to add to this list....

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Recruiting out of HS = A-
Recruiting out of portal = B (higher if you blame NIL)
Developing players = C-
Pregame prep = C-
Halftime adjustments = B
In-game adjustments = C-
Leadership = C-

IDUNK4HEELS said:

NorcalTarheel from reading your post it is obvious you are one of the few here who have played some organized ball so you know size does matter on the court.

I guess I might be in the minority here but I do not see how a coaching change now with NIL making the big difference on who goes where. Why does anyone think otherwise the real reason that elite ACC coaches like Coach K, Coach Williams as well as the great coaches at Syracuse, Virginia and Miami all left coaching even if it was something they loved so much…

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My thought on the coaching change is that, with the right hire, comes more NIL money. We only have to look at our own football program to see how that works. I also, unfortunately, believe that nil is only a small part of our problem. Unless we somehow get the number one recruiting and portal classes every year, we are always going to have to depend on coaching to recognize, game plan, and overcome strengths of other teams and our own weaknesses. I don't see Hubert doing that.

I think that part of the reason all of those elite ACC coaches retired is because the ACC was THE elite college basketball league and had more elite coaches. I don't disagree that most didn't want to deal with this professional League model that nil has brought to us. With the exception of Bennett at Virginia and maybe Jay wright at Villanova, most of those coaches were nearing retirement age anyway.

However, it works out and whatever decisions are made, none of which are mine thank goodness, I will pull for Carolina basketball until the day I die. It's just a little harder these days.

Go Heels!!!!

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