2020 recruiting thread

[gauchoheel]

He doesn't look like it now, but remember Tony.

If I had to I'd say Armando is a bit behind Tony. But he'll be starting and getting all the PT he can handle. So he may have more room to stretch and grow, and he will get a lot closer scrutiny by the pros.

I think you need to recruit both ways. Like he's gone (aim for ready-to-play top talent), and like he'll return (next tier, but still very good talent).

Good thing is we already have Sharpe coming in for 2020. Unless we end up with Todd/Kessler we're not going to get a better 2020 big, and he should be a solid fill in if Bacot does leave after one year. We still need a combo forward to replace Brooks eventually...

 

[TarHeelMark]

Is it just me, or are there a lot of kids named Jalen and Jaden in that 2020 class?

 

[Tarheel75]

Just an FYI: ( NC )Cam Hayes the #4 PG for 2021 is going to reclassify to 2020 and wants an offer from Roy.

Edit to add: He did not show all that well this weekend in front of Roy.

 

[Steat]

One would think we’d have to be in pretty good shape with him.

Arch, notice his comments at the 6.21 mark. Roy needs to jump on this kid.. He is 3-4 year player and can shoot the lights out. We need some program kids. This kid is a no brainer.

 

[Archer2]

Seems to be a nobrainer offer.

 

[heels05champs]

Just an FYI: ( NC )Cam Hayes the #4 PG for 2021 is going to reclassify to 2020 and wants an offer from Roy.

Edit to add: He did not show all that well this weekend in front of Roy.

If this happens, he likely becomes our guy at PG. We aren’t going to get Roach and Hayes seems to love UNC and has visited several times. I think Roy plans to eventually offer and reclassifying will expedite that.

 

[gauchoheel]

Seems to be a nobrainer offer.

Has to be coming in this spring or summer round of AAU play right? Can't think of why we would wait until his senior year. It's not as if we'd be bringing him in to the The Answer at a spot like PG and not be able to take anyone else.

 

[dadika13]

Seems to be a nobrainer offer.

Does it though?

You've got 4 schollys to play with. Brown and Zaire are (rightfully) the priority and we look very good with both. So that's 2 left. We definitely need a 2020 PG. So that's 1 scholly left. Does it go to Johnson? Does it go to Springer?

Not as a much of a no brainer as you think early in the class recruiting cycle.

 

[UNCFan1853]

I would say we will have a 5 man class in 2020 when all is said and done.

My wish list would be:
Sharpe
Brown
Williams
Springer
Johnson or a grad transfer to add experience

Add that to Platek, Brooks, Black, Bacot, Huffman and Manley, Harris, and Francis.

No need for a point guard with Francis and Harris on roster to be honest.

Would love to have Cam Hayes, but the roster make up does not seem to make that a viable option based on team need.

 

[Steat]

I would say we will have a 5 man class in 2020 when all is said and done.

My wish list would be:
Sharpe
Brown
Williams
Springer
Johnson or a grad transfer to add experience

Add that to Platek, Brooks, Black, Bacot, Huffman and Manley, Harris, and Francis.

No need for a point guard with Francis and Harris on roster to be honest.

Would love to have Cam Hayes, but the roster make up does not seem to make that a viable option based on team need.

Agree, in addition the chances of signing all those players are slim and none. Hopefully Roy gets several more offers out there. This is how it stands right now on offers:

Isaiah Todd (Forward) - Offered
Jaden Springer (Wing) –Offered
Walker Kessler (Forward) – Offered
Greg Brown (Forward) – Offered
Ziaire Williams (Forward) – Offered

All of these players, with the exceptioin of Kessler are OAD candidates, plus the chances of getting more than 1 or 2 of them are slim.

Offering Puff Johnson (3-4 year player) is a no brainer. We need more "program" players.

 

[ProfessorOwl]

Does it though?

You've got 4 schollys to play with. Brown and Zaire are (rightfully) the priority and we look very good with both. So that's 2 left. We definitely need a 2020 PG. So that's 1 scholly left. Does it go to Johnson? Does it go to Springer?

Not as a much of a no brainer as you think early in the class recruiting cycle.

We'll have more than 4. Cole OAD, BRob, Shea, Keeling graduate. Plus we have 2 extra right now.

5 Empty scholarships including Dayron. 2020 needs to be a huge class. Room for a PG, Donovan, Ziaire, Greg, Dayron + another big.

 

[dadika13]

We'll have more than 4. Cole OAD, BRob, Shea, Keeling graduate. Plus we have 2 extra right now.

5 Empty scholarships including Dayron. 2020 needs to be a huge class. Room for a PG, Donovan, Ziaire, Greg, Dayron + another big.

Platek, Huff, Manley, Brooks, Leaky, Bacot, Francis, Harris, Dayron is 9.

That leaves us with 4.

 

[ProfessorOwl]

Lol forgot about Jeremiah. Hmmmm

I'd definitely prefer not taking 3 OADs in one class. Plus who knows if we will even have the minutes for all 3. That's the beauty of guys like Huffman, Platek, and Donovan. They don't have to get minutes their first few years.

Tl;dr Williamsand Springer could very well be mutually exclusive.

 

[UNCFan1853]

Platek, Huff, Manley, Brooks, Leaky, Bacot, Francis, Harris, Dayron is 9.

That leaves us with 4.

On a side note, Huff, Platek, and Manley are really eating some scholarships right now. Hopefully they can eventually produce.

 

[DeuceManJones]

Just an FYI: ( NC )Cam Hayes the #4 PG for 2021 is going to reclassify to 2020 and wants an offer from Roy.

Edit to add: He did not show all that well this weekend in front of Roy.

There have been plenty of stories of kids who didn’t play well in front of Dean or Roy because they were nervous or pressing. If he did the little things well and played hard, I’m sure Roy will not get hung up on a few bad games. Hope he gets an offer.

 

[gauchoheel]

Does it though?

You've got 4 schollys to play with. Brown and Zaire are (rightfully) the priority and we look very good with both. So that's 2 left. We definitely need a 2020 PG. So that's 1 scholly left. Does it go to Johnson? Does it go to Springer?

Not as a much of a no brainer as you think early in the class recruiting cycle.

Good point. Are we really going to get Brown, Williams, Springer, and a top PG though? If so, then I guess you can't take Johnson, but that's only if no one else leaves/transfers. It seems like one way or another we're pretty likely to have a spot for him, but I can see why it would be cloudy now.

 

[dadika13]

Good point. Are we really going to get Brown, Williams, Springer, and a top PG though? If so, then I guess you can't take Johnson, but that's only if no one else leaves/transfers. It seems like one way or another we're pretty likely to have a spot for him, but I can see why it would be cloudy now.

I think it's the argument we've had here...do you wait on top top guys and potentially lose out on a 4 star like Johnson? I get both sides of it.

In this case, I think we sit REALLY strongly with Brown and Zaire so I would not want to jeopardize either since they are both incredible players and kids.

 

[UNCFan1853]

I think it's the argument we've had here...do you wait on top top guys and potentially lose out on a 4 star like Johnson? I get both sides of it.

In this case, I think we sit REALLY strongly with Brown and Zaire so I would not want to jeopardize either since they are both incredible players and kids.

I thought Brown was trending towards Texas and Zaire to Stanford? Is that wrong?

 

[UNCPSUFAN]

I thought Brown was trending towards Texas and Zaire to Stanford? Is that wrong?

Correct.

 

[gauchoheel]

I think it's the argument we've had here...do you wait on top top guys and potentially lose out on a 4 star like Johnson? I get both sides of it.

In this case, I think we sit REALLY strongly with Brown and Zaire so I would not want to jeopardize either since they are both incredible players and kids.

We can offer them (and I'd offer a couple other top wings / forwards to keep the pressure on; first to commit gets the spot) while adding Johnson though. That still leaves a spot for a top guard (Springer/Hayes/etc). This all assumes that Bacot is not OAD and no one else leaves too; fairly likely we will get another scholarship from somewhere.

 

[dadika13]

I thought Brown was trending towards Texas and Zaire to Stanford? Is that wrong?

That is not accurate currently.

 

[gauchoheel]

I think it's the argument we've had here...do you wait on top top guys and potentially lose out on a 4 star like Johnson? I get both sides of it.

In this case, I think we sit REALLY strongly with Brown and Zaire so I would not want to jeopardize either since they are both incredible players and kids.

Put another way, it looks like in all likelihood we're giving a scholarship to a walk-on for the fourth straight year next year. That is a rarity in D-1; most schools fill up their schollies every year. Unless you view it as Roy doing it strategically (which may be true; it's probably part of why we have fewer transfers), we've consistently had too many openings rather than too few. If for once we had not enough open spots I'd consider it a nice problem to have.

And looking at the 2020-2021 roster, we've got Leaky, Harris, Francis, and whoever we add for four spots (PG, SG, SF, and a backup guard). There is simply no need to take a 2020 class with Hayes, Springer, and Williams. At least two of our incumbent players will be ready to play well by then, and those 2020 recruits all want to show out for the league. We can only do that for at most two of them I think. Agreed?

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Platek, Huff, Manley, Brooks, Leaky, Bacot, Francis, Harris, Dayron is 9.

That leaves us with 4.

Or 5 if Armando goes pro. We aren't expecting it, but we need to plan for it. So that possible 5th scholarship probably needs to be earmarked for a big guy.

 

[dadika13]

1,000 things can and will happen from now until we know what our 2020-21 roster will look like.

If you guys want to hash up all the possibilities, go for it. My point is that we should absolutely prioritize Brown, Zaire, and a 2020 PG. What we do with that last scholly depends on which of those commit and if Mando is OAD (which I think is pretty highly unlikely at this point right now).

 

[Steat]

Lol forgot about Jeremiah. Hmmmm

I'd definitely prefer not taking 3 OADs in one class. Plus who knows if we will even have the minutes for all 3. That's the beauty of guys like Huffman, Platek, and Donovan. They don't have to get minutes their first few years.

Tl;dr Williamsand Springer could very well be mutually exclusive.

Agree. I doubt we get both Springer and Williams. Worst case, neither.

247 just issued report saying that Springer was the # 1 player this past weekend on the Adidas circuit.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Good point. Are we really going to get Brown, Williams, Springer, and a top PG though? If so, then I guess you can't take Johnson, but that's only if no one else leaves/transfers. It seems like one way or another we're pretty likely to have a spot for him, but I can see why it would be cloudy now.

So . . . do you tell Donovan that you really want him but filling those other positions are our top priority? If so, do you...

1. Ask him to hold off to see if we have a scholarship for him?
- or -
2. Ask him to commit without a promise of a scholarship in his freshman year (like Luke)?

I bet Justin would foot the first year's expenses if it comes to that. But it probably won't come to that. We'll probably have that scholarship when the dust settles (as we did for Luke).

I pick option #2.

My only reservation is if signing Donovan might hurt us with Springer. He looks like the real deal to me.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

We definitely need a 2020 PG.

Not as a much of a no brainer as you think early in the class recruiting cycle.

Pshaw!

I have it on good authority that we'll be fine with Platek and KJ handling the point. Plus we'll have Harris and Francis waiting in the wings.

 

[gauchoheel]

Or 5 if Armando goes pro. We aren't expecting it, but we need to plan for it. So that possible 5th scholarship probably needs to be earmarked for a big guy.

Why? We have Sharpe coming in already. Brooks will be a senior, and in this scenario we're adding Brown or another combo forward. You don't think a four man big rotation of Brooks/Sharpe/Brown/Manley is enough?

My point is that we should absolutely prioritize Brown, Zaire, and a 2020 PG. What we do with that last scholly depends on which of those commit and if Mando is OAD (which I think is pretty highly unlikely at this point right now).

Ok agreed with that.

So . . . do you tell Donovan that you really want him but filling those other positions are our top priority? If so, do you...

1. Ask him to hold off to see if we have a scholarship for him?
- or -
2. Ask him to commit without a promise of a scholarship in his freshman year (like Luke)?

I bet Justin would foot the first year's expenses if it comes to that. But it probably won't come to that. We'll probably have that scholarship when the dust settles (as we did for Luke).

I pick option #2.

My only reservation is if signing Donovan might hurt us with Springer. He looks like the real deal to me.

See my previous post. I think we can give him the scholarship now because there's no room/need for Springer, Williams, and a top PG. Just take whichever two of those options you can get to commit first:

And looking at the 2020-2021 roster, we've got Leaky, Harris, Francis, and whoever we add for four major playing time spots (PG, SG, SF, and a backup guard). There is simply no need to take a 2020 class with Hayes, Springer, and Williams. At least two of our incumbent players will be ready to play well by then, and those 2020 recruits all want to show out for the league. We can only do that for at most two of them I think. Agreed?

 

[Kadyn930]

How many of you all seen Hayes play in person?

 

[Tarheel75]

1,000 things can and will happen from now until we know what our 2020-21 roster will look like.

If you guys want to hash up all the possibilities, go for it. My point is that we should absolutely prioritize Brown, Zaire, and a 2020 PG. What we do with that last scholly depends on which of those commit and if Mando is OAD (which I think is pretty highly unlikely at this point right now).

Yeah, there's a lot of possibilities going forward. Had a group discussion a week or so back and Roy said he will look for a top PG every year. Straight from the horses' mouth.

 

[Archer2]

That is not accurate currently.

What is accurate then?

1. Ask him to hold off to see if we have a scholarship for him?
- or -
2. Ask him to commit without a promise of a scholarship in his freshman year (like Luke)?


I pick option #2.

My only reservation is if signing Donovan might hurt us with Springer. He looks like the real deal to me.

Donovan is too good to suggest option two.

There’s something fishy about Springer’s recruitment.

 

[Steat]

Springer is pissed that Roy didn't offer earlier. Tennessee is the leader for him. Now that Springer has made a big splash on the national scene it will be a tough sell to get him. Hope Roy casts a wider net. I'll say it again, offering Puff now is a no brainer.

 

[dadika13]

What is accurate then?

That Texas leads for Brown and Stanford leads for Zaire currently.

 

[vikandpiratepride]

Unc picked up another crystal ball for Springer yesterday

 

[Archer2]

That Texas leads for Brown and Stanford leads for Zaire currently.

That’s what he said.

 

[RoseHeel]

That Texas leads for Brown and Stanford leads for Zaire currently.

What?

 

[dadika13]

Too many things at once. What I meant was UNC is trending for both right now.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Donovan is too good to suggest option two.

There’s something fishy about Springer’s recruitment.

Sure he's too good to actually be a walkon, but I don't think he'd end up being a walkon, because we are unlikely to get ALL of our top targets. I mean when was the last time we did get all of our top targets?

What do you think is fishy about Springer's recruitment?

HA! I just noticed that 247's Crystal Ball now shows us in the lead for Springer with 150%. Gotta love that!

 

[ProfessorOwl]

Offer Donovan. You can't recruit 13 players who expect to play as freshmen.

Seems like a no brainer to me. I hate that the staff takes so long to offer sometimes.

 

[unchampions]

Offer Donovan. You can't recruit 13 players who expect to play as freshmen.

Seems like a no brainer to me. I hate that the staff takes so long to offer sometimes.

Agree very much. Need role players, practice players, and guys who are willing to wait to start. Build that experience and continuity.