Any of you Trump supporters starting to get nervous?
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He’s compiling lists for the shadow government and secret police. I’ve said too much already. Going back into hiding.
Guns have been a part of our culture since its founding.
A very, very, very teeny-tiny bit. I don't understand it. The only thing that is vaguely facetious, on my part, is how automatic and everyone's instinctive reaction that sawed-off's are illegal and that should be followed. Even the most ardent gun advocate (with a rare exception) reacts with "well, those are illegal because of their lethal potential. We can't have those." Why? Any present-day issue, based on the results of deaths from gun violence, that is intended to try and lower the body-counts is just as instinctively tossed-away by those same gun advocates. They're convinced that Hillary and the Dems are trying to take their guns. There's a peculiar disconnect there. Sawed-off's being legal is absurd. And, any kind of measure presented to just discuss keeping deranged criminals from having access to ANY firearm is met with the same resolve, only in reverse.
I hesitate to ever use the word impossible. But, the likelihood and possibility of Americans having their firearms taken is sooooo minuscule that mathematicians have yet to formulate the variable. As with every other vice and/or problem we have, there is way too much money being made off of the institution to ever touch it.
So, as I've been saying, I don't think sawed-off's (of 14" or any inches) should be illegal. The whole purpose for having them sawed-off is to increase their spray/killing potential. They should be able to make them, sell them, as lethal as the human mind can conceive. It seems like a facetious law, to be perfectly frank. You can have a bump-trigger AR rifle that can kill god-only-knows how many people if they're in a crowd, but a sawed-off is "inhumane?" What a stupid, OBVIOUS, bullshit double-standard. That double-standard is even more solid proof that American's firearms are safe and sound.
So has racism, and prejudice, and execution, and might-makes-right, and every other archaic instinct. Just because they've always been a part of it, doesn't mean they should always BE a part of it. It doesn't mean they shouldn't. But, the argument of longevity is THE DUMBEST argument I've ever seen presented. If human beings never moved beyond the basis for your statement, you wouldn't be reading these words I'm typing.
Right. A regular shot gun (not sawed off), whether in your house or in your yard or whatever - its pretty hard to miss doing serious damage to the target, in a range of 5- 50 feet. Much better at serving the pistol, which is quite easy to miss with, if you are shaky, nervous, etc. I'm not sure what the sawed off factor adds to the goal of your situation, vs. a regular shotgun.
Getting a pump action shotgun is a good idea. Just the sound of you pumping a shell into the cartridge usually would do the trick of scaring away the intruder, I've been told.
I didn't make that argument. I only pointed out that his claim that guns were some kind of new phenomena was wrong. If I wanted to make a point for owning guns I just would have pointed to any number of authoritarian countries in the past or present, along with their love of banning guns. Look at what's going on in France right now. The people are pissed, but they have no real power. Can you imagine if they had guns? The government might have to back off and give them what they wanted.
Why scare them away when you can blow their head clean off their shoulders? Do you have to register a pump shotgun? I only ask because I know you don't have to register a double barrel shotgun.
I mean, I believe that you should be able to own a Squad Assault Weapon (SAW), so I definitely believe that you should be able to own a sawed-off shotgun.
If your true "power" is in how much physical damage you can do to people with machinery? You ain't got much power, to me. Coercion through the threat of death and destruction is soooo reptilian brain, dontcha think? Whatever works, I guess. Or, whatever WE THINK works, I guess.
To quote Ron Paul, who was quoting Victor Hugo: "You can resist an invading army; you cannot resist an idea whose time has come."
But what happens when the powers that be don't allow you to implement that idea? I'm all for solving issues diplomatically, but sometimes that isn't possible. At that point, it's better to have guns.
Edit: BTW, the reason I want the threat to do physical damage isn't that I want to force my views on other people. It's because I don't want other people to enforce themselves upon my liberties.
All guns are registered when purchased unless a 3rd party transaction. You have to give name, address, phone, blood sample, drug test, IQ test, family history, on and on and on and on and on. Permits are only required for handguns in my fair State.
Yeah... okay lol
This idea of the citizenry taking on a government with hunting rifles and shotguns is laughably absurd. If the government wants to take your liberties, owning a gun won’t even slow them down. It’s an infantile fantasy.
The French government is having trouble controlling the people without guns. What do you think would be happenning right now if France had the amount of guns that the US does?
The people dumb enough to use them would be mown down by the military.
That’s assuming the military would be willing to kill the citizenry. I think a very many of us have family and friends in the military. Unlawful orders are not to be obeyed.
Do you understand how big the US is? How many people are here with guns? Is the US government going to massacre a large portion of the citizens, including innocents? Look at what's going on over in the ME. And let's also talk about the US military being deployed worldwide. How are they going to get back here quick enough and how are they going to feel about firing upon their own families? You haven't thought this through. The American Revolution. The French Revolution. How come the military didn't just squash these insurrections?
And let's talk about the US military not being allowed to police the citizenry. Or is it okay for the military to stop illegal immigrants now?
If people are attacking the government with guns then at some point the military will have to intervene. 99.9% of gun owners are not stupid enough to try. So SWAT would easily handle that .1% and hopefully the military would not need to get involved. The idea of some armed rebellion against government tyranny is a right wing libertarian fantasy. Good luck taking on a predator drone with your AR15 billy bob.
They were using muskets, genius.
They were using muskets, genius.
So, now we're using Obama's drone Whac-a-mole campaign? How many innocent US children are you willing to kill?
WTH is wrong with you?...
You’re the one that wants to take on a tyrannical government with an armed rebellion. So yeah if you think guns are going to do the job, then I assume you have a response to modern weaponry. Your stupid little rebellion would almost certainly get innocent people killed. Anyone that thinks governments will be kept in check by citizens owning a few hunting rifles and shotguns is laughably naive.
And who said I want to “kill US children?” You obviously haven’t thought out this hypothetical rebellion...
You obviously don’t know much about tyrannically governments if you think they’ll draw the line short of using modern weaponry against a rebellion.
@uncboy10 ...as usual some valid points in this thread, but don't forget to take into account that if there ever was a real rebellion in this country a large percentage of the military would more than likely be part of it.
Which is a terrifying idea. Citizens and their hunting rifles will never be able to do anything against the US military though. You know better than I do how unfair of a fight that would be.
You lose all credibility when you make statements like this and you make them a lot.
I would hope anyone in their right mind would know better than to face a trained military head on.
That's a good point. Look at the riots in the 60's. Americans had guns but they didn't try to use them against the government.
Anyone who thinks otherwise should be forced to read Lone Survivor. One Seal team would cut through civilians like they weren’t even there.
The NCO that led the rescue of Littrel from the village also led the teams that recovered all the bodies from the Operation Red Wings helo crash. He was the President of the Southern Riders Motorcycle Club, Cumberland County chapter. He's now a Prospect for the Hells Angels, Fayetteville.