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Bright side of UVA game....

Nov 30, 2006
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There is a positive that comes from any loss. At least Roy saved all of his timeouts so we would have them when we played dook this weekend. I was afraid he was going to use them all of for nothing.

ARGH!!!

I love Roy, but he kills me with his stubbornness towards calling timeouts.

Oh well, we are still ACC Champs. Lets go beat some dookie booties.
 
and what exactly would you have him say during those timeout? Hey guys, we suck, the refs suck, and oh yea, no everything should be ok. Sometimes I agree the TO are not called. But there was no time in this game a TO would have made any difference. I'm pretty sure our guys know we sucked, the refs sucked, etc.
 
That piss poor game was not going to be saved by any time out. 14 turnovers to UVA at home? That's a recipe to lose badly right there. UVA was hitting 3's to boot. The refs had a few bad calls, but it was hardly anything that were game-changers.

UNC played a very bad game. They deserved to lose.
 
Of course they played bad and deserved to lose. The timeouts may not have a changed a thing. And I am not blaming the loss on Roy. It would just be nice to TRY to stop momentum from time to time. If your house is on fire you are going to attempt to put it out. It may or may not work, but you have to try.
 
when refs give uva ball after meeks didn't touch it as it went out of bounds in 1st few mins of game then bun boy hits a 3 that he pulled out of his butt ... I knew it was going to be tough night
 
Of course they played bad and deserved to lose. The timeouts may not have a changed a thing. And I am not blaming the loss on Roy. It would just be nice to TRY to stop momentum from time to time. If your house is on fire you are going to attempt to put it out. It may or may not work, but you have to try.
It would be nice?

The man has had a team share the ACC Title in 8 of the last 13 years. I have a feeling he's got his finger on the pulse of when time-outs are necessary. Whenever I see a coach call a TO, I immediately think "We're kicking their ass!" And, that timeout has rarely stopped the ass kicking from continuing. I'm totally oblivious to timeouts by the Heels. I never expect one to be called.
 
One of those games where Roy sucked with his piss poor substitutions and raising the white flag early by not even fouling in the last 3 minutes .. Hicks looked like he smoked a big bowl of Colorado space weed before the game, JJ , JB and even Theo looked like they phoned it in on both ends of the court .. Kennedy had a decent game again but he can't do it all without something that resembles support from others. Tony Bradley should have played a lot more .. Officiating was a joke ... O spacing, movement and penetration was pathetic and once again we failed to get in the jump shooters face on most everything outside the lane .. can't wait to see Gary's stats to see how bad we got our asses kicked on both O&D boards. But .. on the positive side .. I don't have to worry about re-watching the game again off the DVR.
 
. Hicks looked like he smoked a big bowl of Colorado space weed before the game, JJ , JB and even Theo looked like they phoned it in on both ends of the court .. Kennedy had a decent game again but he can't do it all without something that resembles support from others.
That is why they lost. It had zero to do with Roy's lineups or the refs. UNC played like absolute dog-poop. 14 turnovers? Unacceptable. They were never really in this game tonight.
 
Up 7-0, then UVA went on a 15-2 run! Maybe a time out could have helped, who knows?
I will be surprised beyond words if this team makes the Final Four!
 
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Up 7-0, then UVA went on a 15-2 run! Maybe a time out could have helped, who knows?
I will be surprised beyond words if this team makes the Final Four!

Yep, that's when I turned the game off. I can usually tell when we're going to have one of "those" games.

Suspect we'll win comfortably against Dook on Saturday. Wouldn't mind playing the 'Hoos again this year--believe we'd throttle them like we did 9 days ago.
 
Sometimes it's just not your night and when it's not your night and it IS the other teams night on their home floor YOU WILL LOSE no matter how many timeouts your call or how bad or good the refs are!

Surly no one on this board thought that UVA was going to lay down and give it to us or thought it was going to be easy right?

We will be fine, NOT one game when it REALLY counts will be on another teams floor! Step away from the ledge!
 
Of course they played bad and deserved to lose. The timeouts may not have a changed a thing. And I am not blaming the loss on Roy. It would just be nice to TRY to stop momentum from time to time. If your house is on fire you are going to attempt to put it out. It may or may not work, but you have to try.

There was no fire to put out. We just sucked. Move on to the next one. Even with their surges, we were in striking distance.
 
There is a positive that comes from any loss. At least Roy saved all of his timeouts so we would have them when we played dook this weekend. I was afraid he was going to use them all of for nothing.

ARGH!!!

I love Roy, but he kills me with his stubbornness towards calling timeouts.

Oh well, we are still ACC Champs. Lets go beat some dookie booties.

Unless I have missed something, we are not ACC champs. We will be tied for it unless we best Duke. We are the number one seed though, I think.
 
A very basic observation of the "offense" tonight: too much dribling! Pass and move, where's Norman Dale when you need him?!?!
 
Pretty sure we all knew after the Louisville game that going 3-0 to close the season was going to be difficult. Honestly, I expected our letdown game to be against Pitt, instead it was last night. Now we have the rest of the week to recover, prepare, and get ready for our HOME game against our most BITTER rival for the outright championship. I suspect we'll see a little more fire from the team.
 
UVA was 2/20 from 3 in the 1st game. 10/24 for last night . . when they can hit a few threes the Hoos are tough.
ACC road loss . . move on from it, and rest up for Saturday evening.
Hard to beat a team hitting double-digit 3's and you have double-digit turnovers.
 
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One of those games where Roy sucked with his piss poor substitutions and raising the white flag early by not even fouling in the last 3 minutes .. Hicks looked like he smoked a big bowl of Colorado space weed before the game, JJ , JB and even Theo looked like they phoned it in on both ends of the court .. Kennedy had a decent game again but he can't do it all without something that resembles support from others. Tony Bradley should have played a lot more .. Officiating was a joke ... O spacing, movement and penetration was pathetic and once again we failed to get in the jump shooters face on most everything outside the lane .. can't wait to see Gary's stats to see how bad we got our asses kicked on both O&D boards. But .. on the positive side .. I don't have to worry about re-watching the game again off the DVR.

One thing I would've liked to have seen more was attacking the hedge off of the pick and roll. The ball handler was essentially flaring off the screen and retreating 5 feet into the double team. Maybe you get the foul call and maybe you don't but the more aggressive team usually sets the tone and Carolina was ANYTHING but aggressive, especially in the 1st half once UVa recovered from the 7-0 deficit.
 
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Hard to beat a team hitting double-digit 3's and you have double-digit turnovers.

Yep . . 5 more TOs last night than in the 1st game. (9-14). 14 in a slow paced, limited possession contest is a big hurt. UVA's defense was some of the best I've seen this year.
 
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Unless I have missed something, we are not ACC champs. We will be tied for it unless we best Duke. We are the number one seed though, I think.
There is no tie breaker in the ACC so we will be considered co-champions at worst. Not the first time it's happened and I'm sure it won't be the last.
 
Up 7-0, then UVA went on a 15-2 run! Maybe a time out could have helped, who knows?
Sorry, but it is crazy to not at least try to slow this reversal down by calling TO, which you're going to lose at the half anyway.

And with UNC down 6 with 13 minutes to go in the second half, all our starters are on the bench, every single one. A 6 point deficit is like a 12 point deficit when you're playing UVA, especially when you can't throw the ball in the ocean. It's too late in the season to use that 5 for 5 stuff. We can't afford to have Theo and Joel sitting at the same time.

Couldn't be more disappointed by the poor effort by all concerned, Roy and the team. I'm not even going to address Isaiah.
 
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You get a timeout every four minutes and a 15-minute chat at halftime. None of those made any difference in our play, so what makes anyone think that an extra timeout would have changed the outcome of this game? We lost because we played sloppy, turned it over, and couldn't shoot, not because Roy sat on his timeouts.
 
That is why they lost. It had zero to do with Roy's lineups or the refs. UNC played like absolute dog-poop. 14 turnovers? Unacceptable. They were never really in this game tonight.

Justin - Played really hard and never took a play off, but was stymied by Perrantes' defense and forced too many shots. To be fair, he had to force shots because UVa's D was aggressive and he wasn't getting much help from his teammates.

Joel - Played hard on D but seemed a bit lost on running the O. OK game, but nothing special.

Theo - I hate to say it but he looked like last year's Theo. Losing focus on D when his man didn't have the ball, falling away shots, not taking it to the rim.

Kennedy - Lower effort level than we have come to expect. Not awful, but we needed him to step up more.

Isaiah - I'm trying to think of a player with a lower basketball IQ. For his sake, I hope the pro scouts look at him and think "those fouls won't be called at the next level, and he'll do fine with better spacing." He has the athleticism and a nice shooting touch. I never see Roy yell at Isaiah. I suspect he knows it won't do any good.

Tony - Looked exactly like what he is: a talented freshman who played well but was a bit flustered by UVa's aggressive D. Good game, under the circumstances. Won't be in the running for ACC ROY, but should still make the all-frosh team.

Luke - Worked hard and did OK, but last night's level of competition was just a little above his pay grade.

Nate, Seventh, Brandon - All played about as you would expect. OK, but nothing special. I liked Brandon's aggressiveness. He and Seventh should be pretty good next year.

In sum, nobody had a particularly good game and several of our better players had sub par games. Against a less talented but more motivated team on the road, we failed.

What worries me is that after Saturday, all of our remaining games will be on the road against motivated teams. And some of them (if we get that far) won't be less talented.
 
You get a timeout every four minutes and a 15-minute chat at halftime. None of those made any difference in our play, so what makes anyone think that an extra timeout would have changed the outcome of this game? We lost because we played sloppy, turned it over, and couldn't shoot, not because Roy sat on his timeouts.

This. People overrate time outs so much.
 
Roy is a fine recruiter. A fine teacher. A fine pre-game preparation coach. When it comes to half-time and in-game adjustments, though, he often looks like a mere mortal.

Yesterday's game - with a 1-day turnaround between road games - took away one of the things he's good at (pre-game prep), and put too much emphasis on in game adjustments.

We've been playing well and spanked UVa rather badly barely a week earlier. The players know they shouldn't get complacent, but it's human nature.
 
You get a timeout every four minutes and a 15-minute chat at halftime. None of those made any difference in our play, so what makes anyone think that an extra timeout would have changed the outcome of this game? We lost because we played sloppy, turned it over, and couldn't shoot, not because Roy sat on his timeouts.
We can't know that because, as usual, Roy didn't take them.

TOs can help just by disrupting the other team's rhythm. They don't necessarily disrupt the other team's rhythm, but they might. That alone can sometimes be a good enough reason to call them.

There are also good reasons not to call TOs. Roy's system depends partly on wearing down the opposition. You aren't wearing them down if you call TOs and let them catch their breath.

If you aren't calling a TO just as a prayer to interrupt their rhythm, then you should be calling them because you have an idea about some change you can impart to your team during the TO that will make a difference.

Roy uses substitutions instead of TOs. That doesn't stop the play, so the other team doesn't get to rest. The new players present a new look, which can also serve to disrupt the other team's rhythm. And the new players can carry plays into the game so a TO doesn't have to be called for the coach to communicate with his players.

That last point is why I don't usually get upset when Roy doesn't call a TO. But TOs have their place.
 
You get a timeout every four minutes and a 15-minute chat at halftime. None of those made any difference in our play, so what makes anyone think that an extra timeout would have changed the outcome of this game? We lost because we played sloppy, turned it over, and couldn't shoot, not because Roy sat on his timeouts.
And in that four minute span, you can see a 7 point lead turn into a 6 point deficit. There is a reason that most coaches will call a TO in that situation, Roy is in the very small minority in not using his TO's to try and halt a momentum change. Whether it works or not, you have to at least try to stop the run.


I defend Roy all the time, love the guy. But his refusal to use his TO's to try and halt big runs drives me crazy. A 15-2 run is big in any game, it is huge in a low scoring game like UVA likes to play. In a game where most of your team is playing like they're on Quaaludes, it is even more important to use every possible opportunity to snap them out of their lethargy, especially when you're going to lose one of those TO's at half time if you don't use it.
 
You get a timeout every four minutes and a 15-minute chat at halftime. None of those made any difference in our play, so what makes anyone think that an extra timeout would have changed the outcome of this game? We lost because we played sloppy, turned it over, and couldn't shoot, not because Roy sat on his timeouts.
I agree, but why not try it in the first half since you are going to lose a TO anyway? Might as well see if it could stop the run. I've come to accept the fact that he isn't going to use a TO unless it is a tournament or moo game, so it doesn't really bother me.
 
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Roy is a fine recruiter. A fine teacher. A fine pre-game preparation coach. When it comes to half-time and in-game adjustments, though, he often looks like a mere mortal.

Yesterday's game - with a 1-day turnaround between road games - took away one of the things he's good at (pre-game prep), and put too much emphasis on in game adjustments.

We've been playing well and spanked UVa rather badly barely a week earlier. The players know they shouldn't get complacent, but it's human nature.

He MUST have made some 1/2 time adjustments. 12 TOs in 1st half, 2 in the 2nd. Now if he could just teach them during the game to shoot better. :cool:
 
Sorry, but it is crazy to not at least try to slow this reversal down by calling TO, which you're going to lose at the half anyway.

And with UNC down 6 with 13 minutes to go in the second half, all our starters are on the bench, every single one. A 6 point deficit is like a 12 point deficit when you're playing UVA, especially when you can't throw the ball in the ocean. It's too late in the season to use that 5 for 5 stuff. We can't afford to have Theo and Joel sitting at the same time.

I was driving during the game so was unable to watch (blessing in disguise it turned out) and had to listen on ESPN radio.

The radio announcers must not see as much of the Heels as the TV ones do. The TV announcers seem somewhat used to Roy's tactics regarding TO's and substitutions, but the radio guys were commenting like they had never seen it before.

It was hilarious, they kept saying things like, "and another bucket for the Cavaliers, I imagine a timeout will be coming soon from the Carolina bench" and "surprisingly all 5 starters for Carolina are still on the bench, surely Coach Williams will be getting them back in as soon as possible... unless he's sending some sort of message". I was cracking up in my car saying, clearly these guys are clueless about ol' Roy.
 
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