I just want to shout out this guy. Getting paid $700k to hit the side of the backboard on almost all his 3 ball attempts. That is incredibly hard to do guys.
Cade Tyson
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But we don't have NIL money, more like we don't have anyone smart enough to know how to use it.
If you were the booster that funded the acquisition of Cade, would you ever give to this coaching staff again given how your money was wasted due to poor evaluation of a kid that cannot play at this level? That is a lot of money and zero return on investment.
Absolutely that might be an answer to why boosters are not wanting to part with money right now.
If I was a booster with heeps of money and I disliked the hire like i did my money would have stopped completely the day he was hired, then after the first season I would have said, I was wrong and spent again and then after the second season I would have been done for good till he was fired.
Shelby, now you are sneaking in to what I have been hearing, there have been some boosters that have been shy with the dollars, NOTE the 2 words "have been" as opposed to "right now". There seems to have been a major change in that, change that may have crystallized of all things by our hiring a football coach. There seems to be a ripple effect that has changed the picture a good bit. I am hesitant right now to join the feeding frenzy of demanding Hubert be fired today because I am curious what the next portal may look like for us going in with much deeper pockets.
Hubert, in this past portal was selling, son we may be $1 million less than those other programs in our upfront NIL but you will make that up and then some because of the stage and spot light we will give you. The reply was that is cool coach but we are talking a MILLION BUCKS, I like ya coach but a million bucks is a million bucks and you are asking me to spend a million bucks to play for you, good luck selling that, LOL?
If we do have a new commitment to NIL, I would pose this question - What have we seen over the last four years to make us confident Hubert can develop and coach up a team full of good players? I witnessed a preseason #1 team opt out of the NIT and I can’t not remember that happened. This year appears to be another example of a top 10 preseason team that will miss the ncaa tournament.
Very fair points, he also led a flawed roster that was awful the year before, with a mass portal exodus find their groove and get to the National Championship game. He had 1 year portal adds last year that meshed and overachieved to many as a 1 seed, and lost a one bucket here or there game to Bama the final 4 squad in the sweet 16.
That would be the conundrum.😆
"What have we seen over the last four years to make us confident Hubert can develop and coach up a team full of good players?" Not enough to be rock solid confident, I hope you didn't expect me to say anything other than that? LOL
But while most were happy with how we played last season, winning the ACC regular season championship, being the #1 over all seed in the last NCAAT, Hubert being named ACC COY... Most seemed really please at all that, most only got pissed when we lost that game to bama. But me, I didn't like the decisions that were made, I was not the happy camper most others seemed to be. I saw no reason we were as small as we were, I wanted Ingram at the 3, JWash at the 4 (or JWit), with Bacot and frankly, I may have started Cormac over RJ at the 2, with Cadeau at the point. Can you see how much longer that would have made us, we would have had a size advantage at every position other than at the point. And as I have said so many times, size matters in sex and basketball! The bigger you are in either, the more you score! LOL
05champs, this was all set in motion once the portal season ended. Hard for me to believe there is anyone that follows this stuff closely that didn't realize that our being so badly under sized was a monster of a problem that required a radical departure from anything we have seen since Hubert took over and who expected that from Hubert?
Sign me up for 1/2 that amount. I guarantee an air ball but I promise to beat the shot clock.
You know even thought last year was okay and they did accomplish some of what their team goals were, am I the only one that felt like they were still underachieving for what was a very solid roster?
Honestly, have we lowered our standards so much as to a Sweet 16 run after a ACC regular season championship is Carolina basketball good?
No one here would have been please with last season with those players if Roy or Dean was the coach, am I wrong?
29-8(17-3)
ACC Regular season Champs
ACC Tournament runner-up
Sweet 16 loss by 2 to Final 4 participant
Besides the loss in Sweet 16 hiw much were was there to achieve and exactly what were the expectations??
We lost an ACC tournament game to a team that we had already beat 2 time and we lost in the Sweet 16 and Hubert got severely out coached.
We lost those 2 games because we got out coached, and it's not even debatable.
With all this talk about what Tyson is getting paid or what someone else didn’t get to come here I have a question. I have no inside info so relying on all of the “experts” here. What is dook paying all of their players? Each year they are at the top of the charts in recruiting. Jw what the going rate is for their top talent. I know those guys didn’t choose dook by of sh**face being such a great coach.
So as of now it's fair to say CT was a miss. Could this change? If you look at his historic, body of work, he seems more like a streaky shooter that CAN light it up but with less demanding competition. I was skeptical about the investment but honestly, I thought due to my limited experience and knowledge, I just second guessed myself and then became excited about the potential of having a game changing shooter added to this team. Is it possible he could develop into a major contributor or will he be a designated practice asset OR, will he be shown the door? Will adding some quality inside presence possibly change his level of contribution? I think adding a quality big or two will help EC really shine and help increase the contribution of others?
Yeah? Me too, but don't ask me to come out confident to bury 3s after I've been buried on the damn bench for most of the season.
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As I said, I think you agree, I am that guy that so many times right here on radar beat the same drum, that it felt to me like NO ONE was listening to, I did not like or agree with many of the decisions. As soon as Ingram committed to us, I was EXCITED, I was because we brought in the SMALL forward we needed, my wanted line up didn't change from the first practice until the end of that bama game. I invite anyone to go check that, the ONLY difference is starting Ryan over RJ, I was not upset that RJ started but 2 small back court guards will scare the heck out of me every time.
OK, so I am going to say something that will very likely draw a lot of heat, I already assume I may be the ONLY person here wiling to say such a thing but so be it. I am simply not the biggest fan of RJ Davis, I have alluded to this in the past in many different ways without just coming out and saying it, but yeah, there it is. He for me is a VERY and I mean VERY poor copy of Joel Berry, like the 1,000th copy of the original. Frankly if I were Hubert he would have transferred after last season, if he didn't transfer he would be coming off my bench right now. Just my opinion and not intended to upset anyone but I am not gonna lie either.
RJ is the perfect player for the right roster, he need enough presence inside to make guards to have to drop off of him to double the post on the strong side.
Honestly he would be a perfect pro if he was 6'5" he fits the pro game way better than a flawed undersized college roster.
Dude just stop. He can’t guard anyone on defense and he can’t get his shot off on offense. And when he does get it off he misses by a mile. It’s embarrassing to watch. Try calling it what it is sometime.
No heat from me dav, just a difference in opinion. RJ hasn’t been great this year for sure. Can’t argue with that, but he’s done a lot for this team especially when there was nothing else going. I too have an opinion and it’s definitely in the minority. RJ wouldn’t sit first. It would be EC for me. Idk what generation he could break the top 100, much less the top. Way too much hype, excuse after excuse for turnovers and child like tantrum behavior. He’s a competitor for sure but not even close to anything we need or have had in the past. And yes, he and RJ on the court together is a problem but not for height. I definitely don’t think either of them have had a fair shake this year with the gaping holes we have in the middle. That’s been the glaring need imo, which automatically does make it worse that those two are 6’ under guards. Winning cures A LOT! Coach, players, and management needs to be shaken up imo.
At 5'11" RJ is not a perfect player for any major program, maybe a good fit for many top programs but far from perfect. IF RJ were 6'5" he would not be playing college ball right now, he would be in the NBA.
Solid reply bama, I love folks that make a reasonable argument, that allows me to re-think thru and maybe at times modify my thoughts. I think we agree, I know in my mind one of either Cadeau or RJ should come off our bench, the tiny guard thing just isn't working. For absolute damn sure Cadeau does things that infuriate me, far to many WTF moments.
But I think for me, one of the main cogs for a small team has to be their getting out and running breaks. When Cadeau is in he is consistently looking to push the ball, get us out running. RJ at the point is simply UNC being in a half court game and in that half court game the ball is pounded with zero player movement for the majority of the shot clock, makes my eyes bleed.
After pounding the ball doing absolutely nothing for most of the shot clock, we go in to what I will call "The NEW UNC offense", basically the only offence "play" we seem to want to run, well known by every team we play, maybe known better than our own players do. Here it is, back screen as RJ circles around and up, ball hand off in zoom to RJ, RJ either drives in to traffic or takes yet another step back jumper with hand in his face. I have seen that till I am sick and tired of seeing it, it rarely works. Every opponent knows it is coming, they laugh at it.
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I agree it gets old and cumbersome to watch. I hate that it’s allowed so much. RJ gets them blame but you know it’s gonna happen and coaches know it too. If Roy didn’t like it you were gonna sit. I know they don’t have the luxury to sit everyone who screws up but don’t continually allow it either.
Ya know what bama, I was thinking about just that yesterday, what would it take to bench RJ Davis? Maybe I should let folks answer that question before I did but hey, you know me by now, I am just gonna say it and let the chips falls they may, why change now yeah? LOL
It is a rather simple answer actually, to bench RJ it would take a coach rather than a liar. Frankly speaking most coaches are weak, far to many got the job because they were respected players. Being a player does not make you a coach any more than being a student makes you ready to be a teacher or having an operation makes you ready to be a doctor. A new spin on I did spend the night at Holiday Inn. LOL
A real coach tells his players what he expects from them and does not back away from that, PERIOD. For example, I would tell my entire team in the very first pre-season practice, when a ref calls a foul on you, you do not jump back at that ref, you may POLITELY ask if he can clarify why he blew the whistle but the first time I see ANYONE of you argue with the ref, don't care who it is, don't care if it happens in the first minute of the second half in a right game, no matter what, you will be pulled for the game for the rest of that half, even if it costs us the game. ZERO tolerance, ZERO exceptions, does anyone not understand? Of course, my players will test me early on this, most likely my best player, now we are in that first minute of the second half and we are down 1 and my best player has a really good first half is the one that mouthed off to the ref. Oh crap, what do I do now right? LOL
I do exactly what I said I would do, I am concerned with building my program, not just winning this 1 game. When that star player mouthed off to that ref, every eye on my bench turned to me, there it is, what will coach do? Well they find out, I bench him and from that point on every one of them knows when coach tells you to do something you do it, no matter who you are. To do other wise makes you a liar and your whole team knows it but do you have the guts no matter what your star players mommy thinks, no matter what your AD or chancellor thinks? Your choice, lie or coach, no middle ground.
I agree and that’s what makes it very odd to see hd just watch what happens on the floor and do nothing. So he either agrees with what’s happening or just doesn’t have their respect. Or both. lol. I don’t think anyone on the team goes rogue or disrespects the staff either.
A tie to not running as much as fans want is that UNC's bigs aren't good. As a result, their guards need to get involved in rebounding much more than previous really good UNC teams.
Kendall Marshall is 6'4" and averaged 2.6 rebounds/game. He didn't need to get involved rebounding with Barnes/Henson/Zeller and dudes could run and Kendall could look to pass ahead. For this team, Cadeau and RJ need to be involved in rebounding, and to their credit, they're good rebounding guards, but that takes away some of their transition.
I actually think RJ being such a good rebounding guard has hurt the tempo they could play at for the last 3-4 seasons. He's more of a dribbler than a passer too. So when he gets a rebound, the ball is going to stick. I know it sounds crazy but I don't think his rebounding has been overly beneficial to UNC's offense the last few years. But this year, I think a lot of that is out of necessity because of the limited bigs.
I think their half court offensive tempo has been pretty glaring. I don't know why they pull the ball back so much but I'm assuming that's what they practice. They have 0 ability to go from their primary offense into whatever their secondary or counter action is. They have to stop, backup, and then start over again. No good offense functions that way. All good offenses seamlessly go from their primary to secondary action. For some reason with this team, that hasn't been the case.
Aside from RJ just in my view being a break killer our bigs just don't have the size to control the boards, exactly why you see our guards rebounding numbers as high as they are, we are crashing 5 to the boards a lot, you don't run when that happens.
