Can Someone Enlighten Me on the Voter Suppression in NC . .
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Oh they both do it. They're just louder and meaner! Liberals, like a lot of women, know how to make someone do something they don't want to do by convincing them it was their idea to begin with!! There's an art to manipulation
and you can't come out barking loudly if you want to do some shady sh*t to people!
No. But I support making it more difficult for all people to vote. When you spoonfeed someone, where is the investment?
Oh they both do it. They're just louder and meaner! Liberals, like a lot of women, know how to make someone do something they don't want to do by convincing them it was their idea to begin with!! There's an art to manipulation
That's because the GOP doesn't want to manipulate. Don't get me wrong, they're not all good guys either. But usually, what you see is what you get. They're like a football team that tells you the play they're about to run and says you still can't stop them. The democrats are the sneaky ones that line up in punt formation and then throw a Hail Mary.
You and others did bring it up in other posts though.
I would agree with all of that, but it still applies to everyone and not just to those groups. They are smart enough to learn how to vote on a different day and place, so I don't really think this is a real issue. If you want to vote early you are going to vote early. There is nothing stopping you.
I don't subscribe to one party, however I do support passing policies that make it more difficult for all people to vote. The whole process needs to be changed. All names and party affiliations should be taken off the ballot and only positions of the candidate should be on the ballot. You should also have to take a test to prove you know a little bit about this country. I've mentioned this in more detail in other threads.
For what it's worth, I love early voting. Every time I've voted on election day, I've stood in line for anywhere from 30 minutes to an hour or more. I've never waited more than 5 minutes at an early voting site. I think it boosts voter turnout rates and allows people to vote when it's most convenient for them, whether that's during the workday, after work, or even on the weekend. As long as everybody gets one vote and gets it in by the official "election day" where's the need for all of us to get to a limited number of polling places on the same day? More than 120 million people voted in the last two presidential elections. Without early voting what do you think those lines would be like?
I said in another thread that I think you have to had paid taxes at some point to vote. But then 71 brought up a few good points about stay-at-home moms and students. So I amended my thought to say that you can't have only taken from the system and still get to vote. In other words, you have to be above zero to get to vote. So if you once collected $5000 in govt assistance, you would have to pay $5001 in taxes before you get to vote. We cannot allow people that are only taking from the system to vote on how the system collects and distributes tax dollars.
I believe every U.S. citizen of voting age has a right to vote.
The idea that you and slinger support making it more difficult to vote and placing limits on voting rights speaks volumes.
That you don't believe everyone should be allowed to participate in the democratic process. A position with which I vehemently disagree.
IDK about that personally. I think you should be able to pass a basic competency test before you vote or have kids for that matter. I deal with some that have no business doing either.
You do know that the majority of people using government assistance are actually working, right? The percentage is rather small for the moochers.
In this case yes because the groups that were not targeted still had to deal with the same issues. If the law said that it only applies to certain groups then I wouldn't be ok with that.
I used to think that until I saw people being interviewed about basic information on our country. Believe it or not there are people out there who don't know who we fought in the revolutionary war, don't know who the current VP is and how many states there are. If you can't answer simple questions like that then you don't deserve to vote.
ETA: And to be honest I think it is an insult to anyone who has ever served in our military that people like that get to vote.
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Oh, ok. I thought you were going to misrepresent what I believe. But nope, you nailed it. I don't believe some people should vote. Again, I'll link what Mike Rowe said in regards to this. He says it better than I can.
http://www.outdoorhub.com/news/2016/10/12/mike-rowe-shares-wise-opinion-voting/
Ok. We'd disagree on the definition of "small". But even so, fine. It's a small number that shouldn't be allowed to vote if they're not above "level" on payments into and out of the system.
Since @JuleZ '02 HEEL lumped us together I would just like to clarify that I don't agree with @gunslingerdick about the tax/government assistance requirement. I understand where he is coming from, but I just don't agree with it.
And just for the record, I don't agree with you that Julez is a massive dick and has ugly children. You should try to stay away from the personal attacks.
You should know by now that @chick_bleeds_carolina_blue is the board authority on size, not me.
My hand is up.
Anything to keep Democrats from voting for dead people is fine by me.
My first and only poast in this thread:
That is a verbatim response that specifically cites race as a rationale for disenfranchising voters. **thatsracist.gif**
When the court asked the rationale for reducing Sunday voting, the state's response was that "counties with Sunday voting in 2014 were disproportionately black."
That is a verbatim response that specifically cites race as a rationale for disenfranchising voters. **thatsracist.gif**
You need to cite the source of this, Billy needs it for his term paper.
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If that is, in fact, true, I'm ashamed of my state..
Couldn't you flip that around and say that whites have less opportunity to vote on Sunday? If the purpose of early voting is to allow equal opportunity, then says which are not equally accessed must be days of disenfranchisement?
How in the hell do you go from voting for Bernie to pushing Trump down our throats????? Holy crap Batman!!!!
Bad timing for that question, as he's eating a delivered pizza at the moment . .
#orderout
If the party you support thinks that the best idea to win an election is to disenfranchise members of the other party, then your party needs some new ideas. I have used early voting in several of the last few elections and found it to be much easier. Usually had to work election day (12 -14 hour shift) and then would go vote. Waiting in line up to 3 hours just to cast a ballot was not fun.
No way would I do that in SC, if I were voting for Clinton. This state is going red for perpetuity.
Have nothing to add to this thread, except that the thread title reminds me of this:
I kinda ask that already but carry on.
The truly amazing thing is that "Judge" Thomas Schroeder heard the state make that claim and still wrote in his decision upholding the law that “There is significant, shameful past discrimination in North Carolina's recent history, however, certainly for the last quarter century, there is little official discrimination to consider,”
U.S. District Judge Loretta Biggs slammed an ongoing North Carolinian voter purge during a dramatic Wednesday hearing, telling county attorneys that she was “horrified” by the “insane” process by which voters could be removed from the rolls without their knowledge. “It almost looks like a cattle call, the way people are being purged,” Biggs said. “This sounds like something that was put together in 1901,” when the state used Jim Crow laws to prevent black citizens from casting a ballot.
Biggs called a hearing after the NAACP sued several North Carolina counties for purging nearly 6,700voters—most of them black Democrats—from the rolls. These purges were legal under a state law that permits any person to revoke any other person’s voting rights. The process is simple: An individual gathers mail that was returned as undeliverable, then challenges the voter registration of residents at those addresses. If those voters do not appear at a county board of elections or return a notarized form, their voting rights are nullified.
In several North Carolina counties, Republican activists have used this process to revoke thousands of people’s voting rights at once, a majority of them minorities. But as the Justice Department noted in supporting the NAACP’s lawsuit, this process is illegal under federal law, which trumps state law when the two clash. Biggs indicated that she would halt the purges and restore purged voters’ rights under federal law but did not issue a ruling from the bench. Her decision is likely to come within the next few days.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...l_judge_slams_north_carolina_voter_purge.html
Biggs called a hearing after the NAACP sued several North Carolina counties for purging nearly 6,700voters—most of them black Democrats—from the rolls. These purges were legal under a state law that permits any person to revoke any other person’s voting rights. The process is simple: An individual gathers mail that was returned as undeliverable, then challenges the voter registration of residents at those addresses. If those voters do not appear at a county board of elections or return a notarized form, their voting rights are nullified.
In several North Carolina counties, Republican activists have used this process to revoke thousands of people’s voting rights at once, a majority of them minorities. But as the Justice Department noted in supporting the NAACP’s lawsuit, this process is illegal under federal law, which trumps state law when the two clash. Biggs indicated that she would halt the purges and restore purged voters’ rights under federal law but did not issue a ruling from the bench. Her decision is likely to come within the next few days.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...l_judge_slams_north_carolina_voter_purge.html
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