Y'know, amongst the crazies there are some very knowledgeable basketball fans within the uk breed --- and one would think they's like to get to actually know their guys a bit and enjoy their development...
Carter gone...
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dook fans will too, once they realize that all of these hyped up high schooler's aren't bringing them anything and UNC just keeps winning CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!
I think a vast majority of Duke fans (myself included) are already at that point. Apparently, the Duke staff is also making a conscious shift beginning in the 2019 class to add more multi-year guys as well. But we will have to see if that sticks as the 2109 class does not have a ton of OAD guys to pick from really.
But we did win in 2015, so it's not fair to say "they haven't brought us anything" but it does show that there needs to be more of a mix in experience & young talent.
This is likely Duke's last hurrah with OAD because this is the last class they are going to get so stacked. 2019 is having their class pillaged by reclassifications. Plus, Coach K isn't going to be here forever and he has to at some point setup the program for a future coach or the program has potential to go into the trash heap hard afterwards.
Yeah, I made the mistake of lumping him in with the typical troll Dukies who come around here every so often.
I was wrong, Coach tells it like it is and is usually tougher on Duke's program than any one of us.
This is correct. Duke is targeting 6-8 guys in 2019 and among those, only 1-2 would likely be OAD candidates. 2019 will need to be a large class to replace another mass exodus.
I think the OAD rule will be ending anyway. It's definitely one of Silver's top priorities.
People in the know with NBA consultants said don't expect the NBA to allow straight to the nba any time soon. So, I am not holding my breath.
I think the NBA cure to One and Done is going to be through the G league.
Lemme see...
Duke and K recruit well for years and years and pride themselves on hallmarks of defense, toughness and senior leadership.
Capel comes to town after leaving OU unsettled and with penalties for suspect recruiting practices. Duke starts recruiting OAD players and virtually lands them all completely ignoring the above mentioned hallmarks.
FBI operate a 4 year long sting and release that many programs will be impacted.
Capel, who was seen by most in duke circles as the heir apparent, all of a sudden leaves for a shit job in Pittsburgh. Duke immediately loses their most recent recruitment of a 5 star big man when they have a gaping hole at that position.
K and duke make a conscious shift in their recruiting strategy.
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Duke has been recruiting most of the 2019 guys for well ove a year now. So we were recruiting these guys well before Capel left or even thought about leaving. In fact, he has been the lead recruit on some of these guys such as Carey. So by your logic, we shouldn’t be surprised when Carey signs with Pitt.
Friend what did I say to get under your feathers ? Let me know I will try to apologize to you. I am not here to piss off Fellow Heels fans.
Strongly agree, the 1&D model is seriously flawed, even those Ky and duke teams that did win it all got big time contributions from more seasoned team mates. As they progressed further down that 1&D road, their total team experience level dwindled and they have consistently left their fan bases disappointed (and looking for buyers of their 40-0 T-shirts ;-).
Blue blood programs like Ky, Duke, and of course UNC, our sites are on winning it all, not just winning a game or 2 in the tourney. The value of experienced players is when things get tuff the experienced players don't tend to panic to the degree the kid that has not seen that level of game pressure. It causes things like calling a TO when you have none (Weber) but it as well makes a huge talent freshman try to do to much and not trust his mates to do their jobs, that is hard for experienced teams but much more so for the team loaded with inexperience.
Duke had a MEGA talented team this past season, telling ya Bagley, Carter, and Trent will be solid if not star NBA players down the road. They are not likely to be so next season because they have to learn to use their talents, that means they have to be developed. Development means they gain the experience of playing. I would hate to have seen that duke team keep all that talent thru senior seasons, they would be extremely hard to handle but what got them there is also what insures they will never see the best of their talents played in a duke uniform, same is NOT true for UNC!
Frankly, I don't think they will have a choice when the NBA allows kids out of high school to be drafted again.
I think of it like this. When you decide to read a really good book, do you stop at the end of chapter 1 or do you read the whole thing? As Tar Heel fans, we got to see the entire development and journey of Theo and Joel Berry. We know their whole Tar Heel story. There were plenty of ups and downs for sure, but I can honestly say that I enjoyed all of it.
Putting a team's success in terms of wins and losses aside, I just don't see how any fan of a team fully engaged in the OAD model can truly find enjoyment in watching their team play.
Putting a team's success in terms of wins and losses aside, I just don't see how any fan of a team fully engaged in the OAD model can truly find enjoyment in watching their team play.
Valid point, but many believe we are still several years away from that happening.
It’s all good man. I was in a bad mood the other day, but I’ve also been called a “closet dook” fan by numerous people just because I don’t subscribe to some commonly held narratives on this board. I also believe in being polite to visiting fans from other boards as long as they’re not trolling.
And just to keep score, I think the total of guys coming out early and heading to the draft is up to 10,000 undergrads. (This year no different probably from previous). But there will be quite a few folks learning a new language come fall.
And it's going to be the same story at the draft. Players will realize their mistakes because they underestimated the number of European players who will be taken in the first round. Doncic and a couple of others have first-round talent. There will also be teams focused on free agency and not wanting to add a rookie to their salary cap who will go the draft and stash route. It happens every year, and kids here either get pushed to round 2 or don't get drafted at all.
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