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Coach K lays an egg

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K - You have the most talented team in the nation. You bigs were absolutely unstoppable by UNC or for that matter anyone else. And you get out coached by Roy again.

Great stand by the Heels. They have more talent, we have more heart. Oh, and we have Berry as well.
 
I am not sure K laid a egg as much as Coach William's changed his offensive philosophy by having Berry and his teammates drive to the hole instead of just settling for threes which gave UNC free throw opportunities.
Agreed. Great adjustment by Roy and the guys listened. Duke cannot stop the dribble penetration. We don't even need to pass out, just go to the rim. Yes, Bagley blocks a few but we score most of the time or get fouled. Again, great adjustment by Roy and the players.
 
It was a weird game... Roy over-played Brandon Robinson... Coach K played that messed up lineup with 3 PF/C.

I don't think coaching had much to do with it.

The game was decided by a 6 minute stretch. Last 2:00 of the 1st half... First 4:00 of the second half. It was 49-40 Duke. It ended up being 61-51 UNC (21-2 run).

Then both coaches screwed up lineups and got really cute trying to steal rest for key players.

We won the game thanks to a monster 21-2 run.
 
Good game. You guys played with a ton of effort tonight. Hustle plays were the difference and you had most of them.
Thanks for your comments. Yes, we are celebrating, but that's because this rivalry is unmatched in any sport. And it's mainly due to such respect for the opposing program. We will meet again very soon. You may get your revenge. The big winner in all this is the college basketball fan. We are blessed to have this tradition.
 
It was a weird game... Roy over-played Brandon Robinson... Coach K played that messed up lineup with 3 PF/C.

I don't think coaching had much to do with it.

The game was decided by a 6 minute stretch. Last 2:00 of the 1st half... First 4:00 of the second half. It was 49-40 Duke. It ended up being 61-51 UNC (21-2 run).

Then both coaches screwed up lineups and got really cute trying to steal rest for key players.

We won the game thanks to a monster 21-2 run.

Coaching had nothing to do with that 21-2 run? You honestly didn't see an adjustment after halftime? Ok.
 
I am not sure K laid a egg as much as Coach William's changed his offensive philosophy by having Berry and his teammates drive to the hole instead of just settling for threes which gave UNC free throw opportunities.

Now which poaster was it that has been preaching RUN RUN RUN AND ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK THE RIM for the last 3 weeks ?? Oh yeah .. it was me :cool:
 
Coaching had nothing to do with that 21-2 run? You honestly didn't see an adjustment after halftime? Ok.
Eh... I'm not comfortable saying K did nothing at half or did something negatively while Roy did everything positively. I'm sure each coach had their players ready in the 2nd half... I 100% think we made good 2nd half adjustments by pressuring the ball better, paying more attention on defense, driving more on offense... But I think we punched a really young team in the face in the second half and it shook them a little. They got a little freaked out when the ball didn't go through the hoop and they dropped their defensive and rebounding intensity... See it all the time from a young team.

Also, Duke almost came back and got into position to almost steal it.

I think Duke's freshman played like freshman for 6 minutes... Our seniors played like seniors for 6 minutes.

Aside from that run, I think an argument can be made that Duke was better. But in sports, one haymaker can win/lose you a game.
 
It was a weird game... Roy over-played Brandon Robinson... Coach K played that messed up lineup with 3 PF/C.

I don't think coaching had much to do with it.

The game was decided by a 6 minute stretch. Last 2:00 of the 1st half... First 4:00 of the second half. It was 49-40 Duke. It ended up being 61-51 UNC (21-2 run).

Then both coaches screwed up lineups and got really cute trying to steal rest for key players.

We won the game thanks to a monster 21-2 run.





I seriously wonder about your knowledge of the game.Whatever Roy said at halftime got the boys pumped and they played the best 2nd half of the entire season so far.
 
Lol the users on the Duke board who call out 1k for not doing a good job with this roster just get annihilated by other members. Those fans are so f'n delusional but hey, they're getting players in the NBA through one and done #theBrotherhood
 
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Eh... I'm not comfortable saying K did nothing at half or did something negatively while Roy did everything positively. I'm sure each coach had their players ready in the 2nd half... I 100% think we made good 2nd half adjustments by pressuring the ball better, paying more attention on defense, driving more on offense... But I think we punched a really young team in the face in the second half and it shook them a little. They got a little freaked out when the ball didn't go through the hoop and they dropped their defensive and rebounding intensity... See it all the time from a young team.

Also, Duke almost came back and got into position to almost steal it.

I think Duke's freshman played like freshman for 6 minutes... Our seniors played like seniors for 6 minutes.

Aside from that run, I think an argument can be made that Duke was better. But in sports, one haymaker can win/lose you a game.

You don't have to say Rat face did anything negative. Even Jay Bilas was raving about the halftime adjustments. You just have a hard time giving Roy and UNC credit. Hell, after a great win, you want to give a dissertation on how Duke was better tonight outside of a few minutes? lame.
 
What a game. Theo makes us go. We don’t have a floor general point. Theo is our floor general forward. I love our Heels!

As for duke. They’re matchup zone and also 2-3 was miserable as you can see with our wide open 3 point shooting. They can not guard a flag pole. Also, how many times can Bagley walk and get away with it. Anyway, Our perimeter defense was the key like Roy said at the half. Pressure on the ball prevented easy passing windows to the post and duke isn’t much of a team to put it on the floor and beat you off the dribble. It showed. Lastly, Joel, hope you’re just getting bored with underrated games because we need that game for the rest of the way out.
 
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Eh... I'm not comfortable saying K did nothing at half or did something negatively while Roy did everything positively. I'm sure each coach had their players ready in the 2nd half... I 100% think we made good 2nd half adjustments by pressuring the ball better, paying more attention on defense, driving more on offense... But I think we punched a really young team in the face in the second half and it shook them a little. They got a little freaked out when the ball didn't go through the hoop and they dropped their defensive and rebounding intensity... See it all the time from a young team.

Also, Duke almost came back and got into position to almost steal it.

I think Duke's freshman played like freshman for 6 minutes... Our seniors played like seniors for 6 minutes.

Aside from that run, I think an argument can be made that Duke was better. But in sports, one haymaker can win/lose you a game.


Over the final 11 minutes of the game, Duke had two shots inside the arc. So either our D forced them into a lot of that, which would imply a good adjustments by Roy on the D end or Duke just went brain dead, which would mean K did a pretty poor job of coaching there and not running any sets to get them easy shots down low. Usually in sports, it's a combination of both but lets not act like coaching no longer has an impact on the game.
 
It was a weird game... Roy over-played Brandon Robinson... Coach K played that messed up lineup with 3 PF/C.

I don't think coaching had much to do with it.

The game was decided by a 6 minute stretch. Last 2:00 of the 1st half... First 4:00 of the second half. It was 49-40 Duke. It ended up being 61-51 UNC (21-2 run).

Then both coaches screwed up lineups and got really cute trying to steal rest for key players.

We won the game thanks to a monster 21-2 run.
Sorry your team lost.

Coaching had nothing to do with that 21-2 run? You honestly didn't see an adjustment after halftime? Ok.
His lack of basketball acumen is astounding.

You don't have to say Rat face did anything negative. Even Jay Bilas was raving about the halftime adjustments. You just have a hard time giving Roy and UNC credit. Hell, after a great win, you want to give a dissertation on how Duke was better tonight outside of a few minutes? lame.
Indeed, like most of his posts.
 
Over the final 11 minutes of the game, Duke had two shots inside the arc. So either our D forced them into a lot of that, which would imply a good adjustments by Roy on the D end or Duke just went brain dead, which would mean K did a pretty poor job of coaching there and not running any sets to get them easy shots down low. Usually in sports, it's a combination of both but lets not act like coaching no longer has an impact on the game.

Great post
 
You don't have to say Rat face did anything negative. Even Jay Bilas was raving about the halftime adjustments. You just have a hard time giving Roy and UNC credit. Hell, after a great win, you want to give a dissertation on how Duke was better tonight outside of a few minutes? lame.
100% I'm saying we came out with more intensity... If you think that was all because of Roy, then fine... I just think it might have to do with us having seniors... We cut a 9 point lead to a 4 point lead at the end of the first half and played our best defensive 2 minutes of the game going into the locker room. So we were playing really well and Duke was already teetering some.

This is the first time most of Duke's players have experienced a game like this. That's the great variable. And they fell and almost got knocked out after one huge haymaker. That's a sign of a young team. Our seniors did what seniors should do in that environment.

And ok, let's do the math.

6 minutes: UNC 21-2
34 minutes: Duke 76-61

It isn't exactly a questionable opinion that Duke was better aside from our great run.

Look, if people want to give Roy the credit tonight, then that's fine. There's absolutely evidence to support it. But I think Duke being really young played a huge factor into it too.

Each coach had glaring substitution errors so I'll disagree that a coach won or lost the game. Coach K called a timeout (something we constantly beg for Roy to do), but his players didn't respond for another couple minutes.

I primarily grade coaches based on substitution patterns because in the end, that's the only thing a coach has 100% control over. Also, in college, you can tell a team's system and how much it changes over time. Those are the 2 things I grade college coaches on (recruiting aside). For substitutions, I think both coaches were pretty horrendous.
 
Over the final 11 minutes of the game, Duke had two shots inside the arc. So either our D forced them into a lot of that, which would imply a good adjustments by Roy on the D end or Duke just went brain dead, which would mean K did a pretty poor job of coaching there and not running any sets to get them easy shots down low. Usually in sports, it's a combination of both but lets not act like coaching no longer has an impact on the game.
This is just wrong...

Over the last 11 minutes, our defense allowed Duke to get up a ton of 3's right?

Over the last 11 minutes, Duke outscored us 19-13.

If our defensive strategy was to force Duke into taking more 3's in the final 11 minutes, judging by the +/-, it was a bad strategy. According to the score during those 11 minutes, it nearly cost us a chance to blow the game.

I'll give you Roy getting the guys fired up at half if you want, but your point is just not factually correct.

I think we only allowed Duke to 2 3-point attempts when we got our lead up to 10 in the second half. Think it's a coincidence? It isn't. If our strategy is to force 3 point attempts, it's a flawed strategy.
 
Not sure what everyone else was watching, but every adjustment K made, Roy countered. And it worked, even when we went I’ve cold shooting the ball.

And as for the “punch in the mouth” response, how many have blasted Roy for not landing OAD players? How many have said he can’t recruit or get guys like Bagley to come on board and this would lead us into obscurity?

Well, perhaps part of that coaching “adjustment” was made as much in the offseason the last few years as it was as at halftime tonight. Perhaps the man knows what kind of player he wants for HIS program as well as teaching them how to play the game.

I honk back to the Fab 5 and how well they fared against Dean’s “outmatched” Everyman team. Well, Dean’s was the better coached team and they were taught how to understand all aspects of the game. That is why you saw Eric Montriss jump for joy when Webber called the timeout, because everyone on UNC’s team knew more about the details of the end of that game that Michigan’s team did. And Roy learned from the best about how to find, teach and mold young men who maybe won’t garner the accolades others might and how to win with them.

Why don’t we get be the man the credit he is due!
 
Not sure what everyone else was watching, but every adjustment K made, Roy countered. And it worked, even when we went I’ve cold shooting the ball.

And as for the “punch in the mouth” response, how many have blasted Roy for not landing OAD players? How many have said he can’t recruit or get guys like Bagley to come on board and this would lead us into obscurity?

Well, perhaps part of that coaching “adjustment” was made as much in the offseason the last few years as it was as at halftime tonight. Perhaps the man knows what kind of player he wants for HIS program as well as teaching them how to play the game.

I honk back to the Fab 5 and how well they fared against Dean’s “outmatched” Everyman team. Well, Dean’s was the better coached team and they were taught how to understand all aspects of the game. That is why you saw Eric Montriss jump for joy when Webber called the timeout, because everyone on UNC’s team knew more about the details of the end of that game that Michigan’s team did. And Roy learned from the best about how to find, teach and mold young men who maybe won’t garner the accolades others might and how to win with them.

Why don’t we get be the man the credit he is due!
Well, if you think Roy is a better coach than K... Then I think it would be really fun to see what Roy would do with a bunch of 1-and-done extremely highly gifted players.
 
All I can say is whatever Ol' Roy served up to our guys at halftime, flat out worked. One thing that I have always admired about Roy was how he gets his teams to buy in and play together and that effort in the 2nd half certainly showed that.
Why do I think his teams are able to do this, because of who Roy Williams is and what he believes and values which is an equal effort from each and every player and you know what that is exactly what Dean Smith preached and that is what Carolina Basketball is and I love it! You have to love when the character of our great coaches is seen in the play of our guys.
Play Hard, Play Smart and Play Together.
 
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100% I'm saying we came out with more intensity... If you think that was all because of Roy, then fine... I just think it might have to do with us having seniors... We cut a 9 point lead to a 4 point lead at the end of the first half and played our best defensive 2 minutes of the game going into the locker room. So we were playing really well and Duke was already teetering some.

This is the first time most of Duke's players have experienced a game like this. That's the great variable. And they fell and almost got knocked out after one huge haymaker. That's a sign of a young team. Our seniors did what seniors should do in that environment.

And ok, let's do the math.

6 minutes: UNC 21-2
34 minutes: Duke 76-61

It isn't exactly a questionable opinion that Duke was better aside from our great run.

Look, if people want to give Roy the credit tonight, then that's fine. There's absolutely evidence to support it. But I think Duke being really young played a huge factor into it too.

Each coach had glaring substitution errors so I'll disagree that a coach won or lost the game. Coach K called a timeout (something we constantly beg for Roy to do), but his players didn't respond for another couple minutes.

I primarily grade coaches based on substitution patterns because in the end, that's the only thing a coach has 100% control over. Also, in college, you can tell a team's system and how much it changes over time. Those are the 2 things I grade college coaches on (recruiting aside). For substitutions, I think both coaches were pretty horrendous.

Man, this sounds like a bunch of excuses for a 5 star stacked team, but I wouldn't expect anything less from you.
 
You ought to venture over to DI or the DBR and read what some of the doookies are saying about their team AND coach...it aint pretty

I also just finished reading the ESPN story on the front page


this is a comment from a DOOK fand and GRAD...


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Liam Hawfield

As a Duke alumni (87 to 91) I watched K coach. Great coach back then. Great in game adjustments. He quit coaching a few years back. He filled his bench with player-coaches he taught. They know half of what he knows. No outsider perspective or ideas (see coach Brey).
I quit watching this game at the half with Duke leading. I knew they had lost.

This is Duke next year as well. Three top incoming freshman players playing the same position. No senior or junior leadership that is relevant. Poor coaching.

I am embarassed as a an alum.

Congrats Tarheels. I see no reason you don't or won't win in Cameron.

All I can say is WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
This is just wrong...

Over the last 11 minutes, our defense allowed Duke to get up a ton of 3's right?

Over the last 11 minutes, Duke outscored us 19-13.

If our defensive strategy was to force Duke into taking more 3's in the final 11 minutes, judging by the +/-, it was a bad strategy. According to the score during those 11 minutes, it nearly cost us a chance to blow the game.

I'll give you Roy getting the guys fired up at half if you want, but your point is just not factually correct.

I think we only allowed Duke to 2 3-point attempts when we got our lead up to 10 in the second half. Think it's a coincidence? It isn't. If our strategy is to force 3 point attempts, it's a flawed strategy.

You have the most skewed perspective I've ever seen. Our O was bad over that stretch, not our D. 19 points over 11 minutes, that pace would put Duke at about 69 points for the game, you wouldn't live with that? I would any day for one of the best offensive teams in the country.

Get your facts together and stop trying to skew the argument in your favor. Your narrative is bullshit in this instance.
 
Your +/- stats don't account for the fact that our O was terrible but our D was very very good in the second half. Our defensive strategy allowed for 29 points over 20 minutes against one of the most dominant O teams around. If you don't think that coaching on both ends had something to do with that then we can't do anything to change your mind.
 
When you find yourself in a hole, put down the freakin' shovel, Jung. Again, so sorry your team lost and your hero was outcoached. UNC had no right to win this game with the talent disparity, none. And yet they did. If you don't want to give Roy the credit he deserves, fine. But you look foolish.
Wasn't the spread a pick em in Vegas? And hasn't this rivalry plenty of times consisted of games where a team that seemed outclassed on paper won the game? Roy's certainly had teams that had no business losing to Duke and K has certainly had teams that had no business losing to UNC.
 
You have the most skewed perspective I've ever seen. Our O was bad over that stretch, not our D. 19 points over 11 minutes, that pace would put Duke at about 69 points for the game, you wouldn't live with that? I would any day for one of the best offensive teams in the country.

Get your facts together and stop trying to skew the argument in your favor. Your narrative is bullshit in this instance.
Good point... My mistake for not factoring that in. Maybe the pace slowed down as well, but likely nowhere near to make UNC's defense as poor as I indicated.
 
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