He's been on my ignore list so long I had to show content to see who it was. Then I remembered. He's back on ignore
Coach K lays an egg
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Fwiw, I did say the main things I grade in game coaching on are substitutions because that's the only thing a coach has 100% control over. And I said Coach K's substitution patterns were terrible.
I also said Duke caved after getting punched in the face criticizing their mental toughness tonight.
The difference that I'm doing is I'm giving almost all the credit to our players and not Roy. And since the debate between whether or not Roy is a great or not a great coach is the most polarizing current debate surrounding UNC basketball, people will jump on me saying that Roy wasn't necessarily great tonight.
I just gave our players more credit for the win over Roy.
No worries, I don't disagree with much of what you post because I appreciate a balanced perspective but I do think given the talent disparity and the size disparity, Roy does deserve some credit here and K should bear some blame. Roy has been guilty of poor sub patterns, not calling timeouts, going away from our big men and settling for perimeter shots many many times.
No coach is perfect but I do think that tonight Roy was better than K and our team was better than theirs. A lot of that comes down to experience but a lot of that experience comes from being around a good coach for an extended period of time, rather than a few months on a one and done deal.
Completely reasonable opinion.
Look, the debate of is Roy a good/great in game coach or a bad one is the most polarizing UNC basketball debate on this board. There isn't a whole lot of in between. So whenever a post comes up like this after a huge win, it becomes even more decisive.
Again, I'm giving the credit more to the players. If people think Roy got them to play harder at half, then fine. I saw a team that got really locked in the last 2 minutes of the first half and tide of the game starting to turn before the half. The players really stepped up their intensity. If you think that was Roy's doing, then great. I just disagree. In a game like this, I tend to think every player really wants to win the game just as bad as any other player.
I doubt you'll ever see a true UNC fan do that.
It amazes me that he's been able to troll this board posing as a UNC fan for so many years & not been banned. His posts have been consistently pro K & pro Duke, since I started reading here long before joining.He's been on my ignore list so long I had to show content to see who it was. Then I remembered. He's back on ignore
Absolutely awesome to see Kenny have his confidence back tonight, you can really see it when he is knocking them down his movement off the ball is so much better and he is aggressively looking to take the next one and isn't afraid to pull the trigger. He also added some big defensive plays too, as per usual. If Cam and Kenny can play like they did tonight, we will be real good, both of them really stepped up tonight, 10-20 from 3 with 38 points.
He's a UNC fan, I actually don't doubt that. I think his background is in communications, that would train anyone to try and be as objective as possible, which I see in his posting style. Sort of like Bilas, people accuse him of trying too hard to be objective and not let his Duke fandom interfere but that's a good thing to me. SJung may take it a little far, given that he's on a UNC fan site but it does lend itself to lively debate.
I'm putting his dumb ass back on ignore. Not sure what happened to let him off of it anyway. I sure didn't do it.
I don't need to defend myself as a UNC fan. And it doesn't matter here anyway because people have an image of who I am. And that's fine.
On the Duke thing... Honestly, I just don't care a lot about Duke. I don't really care if they win a game, I don't really care if they lose a game apart from when they're playing us. I don't want to see Duke winning championships, but I also understand that Duke is a really successful program and a program that will likely win multiple additional championships for the rest of my life. I just worry about how many UNC will win.
And since I don't really comment when Duke gets upset and I am willing to compliment Duke, if they do something really well, people take that as me being a Duke fan. The truth is I view Duke similarly as I view Iowa. I don't really care unless it affects us.
Again, no need for me to prove this but I had a chance to go to Duke for college. If I really were a Duke fan, I would've likely gone. I didn't really think once about going to Duke.
Was it me or did dook stop feeding the ball down low in the second half? They should have kept doing that we had no answer. I’ll give Roy credit and say he made some defensive changes at the half even if he didn’t.
I don't agree. communications major or not, the dude just can't give Roy or UNC credit. If he does, it's with some excuse for the other team. The man just questioned if Roy is a great coach or not and said it's a polarizing debate. I don't think for a second he is a UNC fan. He gets his rocks off for stirring the pot, that's for sure.
I don't dislike you but it's comments like this one that irk me. See the confidence you have in d00k's "really successful program" winning "multiple additional championships" and the doubt you appear to have about us doing likewise. I think it's fair to say that we've had a "really successful program" for decades now, even longer than d00k.
BTW, did you see the LOM's interaction with Roy at the end of the game. He didn't say a word, you could tell he was pissed.
Is it safe to assume that he will ban them from the locker room today?
Or are they just not allowed to wear Duke gear again?
Even though, we joke about that isn’t that terrible that he has done that to his guys, really shows his true colors. All he care about is winning and doesn’t really care about developing and teaching his kids, I just laugh now when people talk about how great of a coach he is.
Oh well, thank God we have Roy Williams who totally runs circles around krat in the character department and takes such a pride in developing and molding his guys. I’d play for Roy any day.
One coach got his team fired up to play...one didn't.
One coach made adjustments at halftime...one didn't.
This is as big of a coaching victory as I can remember in a long time.
One coach made adjustments at halftime...one didn't.
This is as big of a coaching victory as I can remember in a long time.
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Last time Roy had a stable of NBA players all he did was win the ACC regular season title and was a Marshall wrist away from a final four
Yep. Poor Krazywhiskey, having to play with all those future NBA players on his team.
I didn't take that as him saying he has doubt that we will win. I read it more as him saying that's all he cares about.
You are quite wrong Harrison Barnes was a one and done but dook fans and quite frankly people in general forget that there was an NBA lockout the season he was going to come out so a lot of players who would have been one and done stayed which included Barnes and to some extent Marshall. Ed Davis should have been one and done but his father told him he needed to mature more first.
And I got no issue with you but at the very least you read like a dook apologist rather than a true UNC fan
So..... Harrison Barnes wasn't a one-and-done because there was a lockout that year which led him to come back for his sophomore season? So did his sophomore season really just equate to one really long freshman season? What?
Now that I'm confused, I'll ask the simple question. In which year of Harrison Barnes' career at UNC did Kendall Marshall break his wrist in the tournament? Oh, it was his sophomore season meaning he wasn't one-and-done.
Please give me the 10 commandments every UNC fan MUST follow to be a "true UNC fan"
Not going to disparage you for your opinions Jung. I don’t necessarily agree with them all, but who cares? Mine are mine, yours are yours. Neither are necessarily right or wrong, they are just different.
You choose to give more credit to the players. I see it more as Roy motivating and coaching them to do the right things at the right times. And, yes, I DO happen to think Roy is a better coach than K for a number of reasons, not just wins and titles. I think Dean was a better coach than both and if you measure strictly on wins and titles, Dean wouldn’t be considered close to either. I look at a lot of things to make a judgement on the quality of someone and, in the case of Roy, I listen to what the players say. JB credits him and believes without his coaching, the Dog wouldn’t be half the player he is now. Several others have said the same thing. After every loss they say hey need to do what he is telling them to do, which tells me they know they haven’t carried their weight. By the same token, Roy is quick to point the finger at himself after losses, so the same argument could be made for your opinion as well.
Regardless of who either of us credits most for winning last night, without the coach and players each doing their part, this wouldn’t have been a win. Roy had to do his job, his assistants had to do theirs and the players had to do theirs. Except for a few breakdowns, they all did and we won.
You choose to give more credit to the players. I see it more as Roy motivating and coaching them to do the right things at the right times. And, yes, I DO happen to think Roy is a better coach than K for a number of reasons, not just wins and titles. I think Dean was a better coach than both and if you measure strictly on wins and titles, Dean wouldn’t be considered close to either. I look at a lot of things to make a judgement on the quality of someone and, in the case of Roy, I listen to what the players say. JB credits him and believes without his coaching, the Dog wouldn’t be half the player he is now. Several others have said the same thing. After every loss they say hey need to do what he is telling them to do, which tells me they know they haven’t carried their weight. By the same token, Roy is quick to point the finger at himself after losses, so the same argument could be made for your opinion as well.
Regardless of who either of us credits most for winning last night, without the coach and players each doing their part, this wouldn’t have been a win. Roy had to do his job, his assistants had to do theirs and the players had to do theirs. Except for a few breakdowns, they all did and we won.
I don't think I attacked anyone on their opinion in this thread. I called out someone as being wrong, then redacted and apologized because I didn't do enough research myself. I feel like this is a platform to share your opinions and that's what I do. I don't think I ever disparage anyone about having different opinions than me. If I ever have, then that's my mistake.
Trust me, I'm not upset at the fact that we beat Duke last night. LOL. Whether it was due to Roy, the players, Donald Trump, Barack Obama... I'm really glad we won that game. I'm just expressing opinion on an opinion message board. If some don't like that, that's ok.
I’ll give you 3 to start.
1. When Roy out coaches the opposing coach don’t minimize it, celebrate it.
2. Never credit the Dark Lord for his coaching acumen when he refuses to ever develop his bench and cries about lack of depth.
3. Support our players regardless of their talent ceiling or their NBA potential.
Dude, UNC WON and DUKE LOST, all that matter, ROY is a dad gum good coach and his record shows it! GO HEELS!
A Butter a way from winning the title again. No way does kensucky beat us again if Marshall doesn’t go down. Kensucky can Thank Utah too in 98. There are 2 rings that were Carolinas
That's a stupid way to look at it. Maybe duke was better than us after that 6 minute span because we allowed them to be. We had taken control of the game by the first TV timeout in the second half. We maintained it for the next 8 minutes. Sure, they made a run at the end (although take out the last insignificant 3 that we didn't guard and the margin of victory is 7 and not 4), like all good teams do. But we thwarted the comeback.
Your analogy to throwing a haymaker and winning is off. I think a better analogy is we won 5 rounds of a 12 round match. But we won our rounds 10-8 while duke won their rounds 10-9. We didn't need to win those rounds because we had already done what we needed to do.
More so than any other poaster here, I think you make some really great poasts with good thought and information. And then you go and poast some of the dumbest shit I see here. This poast and the one about FT defense were 'tarded.
I doubt you'll ever see a true UNC fan do that.
It amazes me that he's been able to troll this board posing as a UNC fan for so many years & not been banned. His posts have been consistently pro K & pro Duke, since I started reading here long before joining.
If folks would just freeze him out he would go away. And then start a new account and begin anew. Would be super easy to spot him though.
The adjust was jumping the post passes. Fronting and helping in the obvious post passes
Hmmmm. No name calling... I just disagreed. Compared to below:
LOL!
how anyone could watch that game and think Roy didnt outcoach K is mind boggling. K completely threw shit at the wall with his rotations playing guys that had barely seen the court all year and hilariously put 3 post players on the court while we were lighting them up for 3 yet even with that lineup in Dook still kept shooting 3's
Sorry, you didn't call me a name. You just told me I should perform oral sex on Coach K. My mistake!
