Are they? Are they really? Or are they realizing, oh shit, the mid-terms are coming?
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Well, I guess that's possible for republican states. But some of these are dem states. Even CA is easing up on some restrictions. You think a dem there is worried about midterms?
Actually, yes. I think the dem party is extremely worried and there is a coordinated effort to do what they can between now and the election to limit the damage. After what happened in VA and what almost happened in NJ, the polling, etc., they are definitely focused accordingly. One thing the dem party is really good at is a coordinated strategy on almost everything. For example, when the media comes out with a "story" about a particular issue, across the different networks and platforms, do you think it's a random coincidence that they always seems to use the same verbs and nouns to describe it?
Coordinated by state. Dems in GA aren't going to act like dems in CA. Same thing for republicans.
Yes.
It’s not always about winning. It’s about messaging. And they’re doing what they can to change the message now that they see theirs was dogshit. Plus, big Dem states like Cali, will have pressure applied by the White House and Pelosi and her goons in an effort to minimize the damage at midterms.
They're realizing that hospitalizations are way down and vax rates are plenty high. Just like Denmark. Aside for kids less than 5 and the people who haven't yet check out of the hospital from the past few weeks, there isn't much to worry about right now.
There was never much to worry about. At least not for normal people. The fraidy cats and ulterior motive liberals though sure did enough freaking out for the rest of us though.
Half a million dead before vaccines were released. 400k since then.
Long Covid resulting in heart issues for people even if it wasn't severe enough to hospitalize them.
Your messiah was on his death bed getting pumped full of remdesivir and other drugs.
yeah
Half a million dead before vaccines were released. 400k since then.
Long Covid resulting in heart issues for people even if it wasn't severe enough to hospitalize them.
Your messiah was on his death bed getting pumped full of remdesivir and other drugs.
yeah
I see you haven’t gotten the memo that outlined a clear difference in people dying from COVID versus dying with COVID. But please, don’t let me get in the way of your hemming and hawing. I know you gals like drama.
Covid is how the Earth is punishing us for climate change and racism.
until we do something about those two issues I don’t think Covid will ever go away. The Earth won’t allow it.
until we do something about those two issues I don’t think Covid will ever go away. The Earth won’t allow it.
Thanks to the fact that we now have responsible adults running the country, I look forward to the administration declaring victory today over Covid
Scary and concerning stuff if accurate (not shocked that this would be published in Nature and they lost me as a "science" source when they endorsed Hillary). I have some quips with the study itself and their controls, but time will tell as there is nothing we can do about this either way. The post covid impact is the post covid impact. But it raises two issues initially for me.
First, this type of long term, unexpected complication is exactly the type of possibility that the anti's have complained/theorized about with regard to the shots - until we experience it and have the benefit of looking back, you just don't know for certain one way or the other. And interestingly, this creates the dilemma for all of balancing the best chance of not getting covid, taking the shot, versus the theory of yet unknown long term problems.
Second, this just adds fuel to the fire of being pissed at China and those that funded/supported this research, we're looking at you Dr. Ouci, for this crap being released on the world to start with.
well duhhhhhhh. did you know that having had pneumonia or the flu also raises your risk of having heart disease?? so do everything in YOUR power to avoid those viruses, if YOU so choose. but do not shut down the entire economy over it ... mind your own business.
while they're at it, they should also declare victory over el Nino.
^only serious bouts of flu requiring hospitalization vs mild cases in covid. Big diff.
Seems like you're trying to minimize longcovid, but since you minimize half a mill deaths in 8 months and jammed hospitals, then I guess you're just blind.
Data Source: NC Dept of Health and Human Services
COVID-19 Vaccines
There has been much discussion about COVID-19 vaccines; mandates, suggestions, rebellions. This graph tells a story we really aren't getting anywhere. It depicts the patterns of Percent Positivity Rate (PPR), Hospitalizations, and Vaccinations in NC. I am a dentist, and I want to believe that scientists that are a lot smarter than I am are smart enough and honest enough to recognize what's going on and advise the most appropriate solutions, especially when it comes to the vaccines. (In full disclosure: I received two doses of Pfizer and had a shingles breakout hours after the second dose. I have not received a booster.)There are two aims/claims of the COVID-19 vaccines; containment and mitigation.
"Vaccines Stop The Spread"
If you look at the Positivity Rate (red) and the Vaccination Rate (green), you'll see very little correlation. In fact the correlation factor between the two is 30 (out of 100). If the growing presence of the vaccine had the effect of stopping the spread, wouldn't we see the red line go downward and stay there?
NC isn't alone in seeing this phenomenon. On 8/5/21 CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky went on CNN and said,
"Vaccines Prevent Severe Infection"
There is compelling documentation supporting vaccines' roles in keeping infected people from being severely infected, aka "out of the hospital". That is to say that on the graph, the growing green line will knock the blue line down, away from the red line.
When I look at what has happened, I see Hospitalizations (blue) very closely following the pattern of PPR (red). Do any of you see disease severity fading with the growing presence of the vaccines? The only thing that I see affecting the behavior of the blue line (severity of sickness) is the introduction of the Omicron variant. If you look at ICU usage in NC, you see this exact same pattern.
Deaths
There has been much argument about the role COVID has played in recent deaths. Whatever the cause, we have undoubtedly seen a marked increase in deaths in the US since the advent of COVID-19.It's important to note that in the six years preceding the outbreak, Deaths in the US very closely followed the population growth of adults over age 65. Once COVID-19 hit, we saw a 24% increase in deaths over the previous 6 years' average during each of the 2 years since. There are two points to make here:
Data Source: CDC
Deaths Due to COVID
If deaths followed the 2.5% growth rate seen with the 65+ population, we can estimate how many deaths we would have seen in 2020 and 2021 without the virus' presence. We can then deduce that the excess number of deaths is what is attributable to COVID. Those figures are 406K and 303K for each of the years, respectively. The media has reported anywhere from 800K-1M cumulative deaths, clearly an overstatement.
After seeing a 12% increase in deaths during the first year of the pandemic, the US voted for stark policy changes by electing a new president. After new policy implementations and increased understanding of virus containment and mitigation, what followed was a death rate that was still 9% higher than normal. Did the policy changes over the last year introduce a significantly different result with COVID-19's effect on humanity? It's difficult to conclude that they did.
Over the past two years America has invented vaccines, rolled them out to 2/3 of the population, implemented mask mandates, vaccine mandates, social distancing guidelines, non-essential business shutdowns, child vaccinations, government employment vaccine mandates, vaccine mandates for large-gathering attendance, and many more policies. Has any of it really made an impact? Based on these graphs' portrayal of the government's figures, I have a hard time concluding that we've had any effect on the virus.
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Data Source: NC Dept of Health and Human Services
COVID-19 Vaccines
There has been much discussion about COVID-19 vaccines; mandates, suggestions, rebellions. This graph tells a story we really aren't getting anywhere. It depicts the patterns of Percent Positivity Rate (PPR), Hospitalizations, and Vaccinations in NC. I am a dentist, and I want to believe that scientists that are a lot smarter than I am are smart enough and honest enough to recognize what's going on and advise the most appropriate solutions, especially when it comes to the vaccines. (In full disclosure: I received two doses of Pfizer and had a shingles breakout hours after the second dose. I have not received a booster.)
There are two aims/claims of the COVID-19 vaccines; containment and mitigation.
"Vaccines Stop The Spread"
If you look at the Positivity Rate (red) and the Vaccination Rate (green), you'll see very little correlation. In fact the correlation factor between the two is 30 (out of 100). If the growing presence of the vaccine had the effect of stopping the spread, wouldn't we see the red line go downward and stay there?
NC isn't alone in seeing this phenomenon. On 8/5/21 CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky went on CNN and said,
"Vaccines Prevent Severe Infection"
There is compelling documentation supporting vaccines' roles in keeping infected people from being severely infected, aka "out of the hospital". That is to say that on the graph, the growing green line will knock the blue line down, away from the red line.
When I look at what has happened, I see Hospitalizations (blue) very closely following the pattern of PPR (red). Do any of you see disease severity fading with the growing presence of the vaccines? The only thing that I see affecting the behavior of the blue line (severity of sickness) is the introduction of the Omicron variant. If you look at ICU usage in NC, you see this exact same pattern.
Deaths
There has been much argument about the role COVID has played in recent deaths. Whatever the cause, we have undoubtedly seen a marked increase in deaths in the US since the advent of COVID-19.
It's important to note that in the six years preceding the outbreak, Deaths in the US very closely followed the population growth of adults over age 65. Once COVID-19 hit, we saw a 24% increase in deaths over the previous 6 years' average during each of the 2 years since. There are two points to make here:
Data Source: CDC
Deaths Due to COVID
If deaths followed the 2.5% growth rate seen with the 65+ population, we can estimate how many deaths we would have seen in 2020 and 2021 without the virus' presence. We can then deduce that the excess number of deaths is what is attributable to COVID. Those figures are 406K and 303K for each of the years, respectively. The media has reported anywhere from 800K-1M cumulative deaths, clearly an overstatement.
After seeing a 12% increase in deaths during the first year of the pandemic, the US voted for stark policy changes by electing a new president. After new policy implementations and increased understanding of virus containment and mitigation, what followed was a death rate that was still 9% higher than normal. Did the policy changes over the last year introduce a significantly different result with COVID-19's effect on humanity? It's difficult to conclude that they did.
Over the past two years America has invented vaccines, rolled them out to 2/3 of the population, implemented mask mandates, vaccine mandates, social distancing guidelines, non-essential business shutdowns, child vaccinations, government employment vaccine mandates, vaccine mandates for large-gathering attendance, and many more policies. Has any of it really made an impact? Based on these graphs' portrayal of the government's figures, I have a hard time concluding that we've had any effect on the virus.
Tl;dr
there have been 77 million positive cases in the US ... this study covers 150,000 people ... or .02% of those 77 million. i dont need to minimize .02% ... it's already tiny!
You might want to rethink that. People are making decisions about your life and I’ve laid out proof that what they are saying isn’t adding up.
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Thank you. Can't wait for a few of the covid panic posters to try to "put you in your place" with a few unrelated links of stats from CNN or WP. Hope your shingles are better, that's never a good time.
Data Source: NC Dept of Health and Human Services
COVID-19 Vaccines
There has been much discussion about COVID-19 vaccines; mandates, suggestions, rebellions. This graph tells a story we really aren't getting anywhere. It depicts the patterns of Percent Positivity Rate (PPR), Hospitalizations, and Vaccinations in NC. I am a dentist, and I want to believe that scientists that are a lot smarter than I am are smart enough and honest enough to recognize what's going on and advise the most appropriate solutions, especially when it comes to the vaccines. (In full disclosure: I received two doses of Pfizer and had a shingles breakout hours after the second dose. I have not received a booster.)
There are two aims/claims of the COVID-19 vaccines; containment and mitigation.
"Vaccines Stop The Spread"
If you look at the Positivity Rate (red) and the Vaccination Rate (green), you'll see very little correlation. In fact the correlation factor between the two is 30 (out of 100). If the growing presence of the vaccine had the effect of stopping the spread, wouldn't we see the red line go downward and stay there?
NC isn't alone in seeing this phenomenon. On 8/5/21 CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky went on CNN and said,
"Vaccines Prevent Severe Infection"
There is compelling documentation supporting vaccines' roles in keeping infected people from being severely infected, aka "out of the hospital". That is to say that on the graph, the growing green line will knock the blue line down, away from the red line.
When I look at what has happened, I see Hospitalizations (blue) very closely following the pattern of PPR (red). Do any of you see disease severity fading with the growing presence of the vaccines? The only thing that I see affecting the behavior of the blue line (severity of sickness) is the introduction of the Omicron variant. If you look at ICU usage in NC, you see this exact same pattern.
Deaths
There has been much argument about the role COVID has played in recent deaths. Whatever the cause, we have undoubtedly seen a marked increase in deaths in the US since the advent of COVID-19.
It's important to note that in the six years preceding the outbreak, Deaths in the US very closely followed the population growth of adults over age 65. Once COVID-19 hit, we saw a 24% increase in deaths over the previous 6 years' average during each of the 2 years since. There are two points to make here:
Data Source: CDC
Deaths Due to COVID
If deaths followed the 2.5% growth rate seen with the 65+ population, we can estimate how many deaths we would have seen in 2020 and 2021 without the virus' presence. We can then deduce that the excess number of deaths is what is attributable to COVID. Those figures are 406K and 303K for each of the years, respectively. The media has reported anywhere from 800K-1M cumulative deaths, clearly an overstatement.
After seeing a 12% increase in deaths during the first year of the pandemic, the US voted for stark policy changes by electing a new president. After new policy implementations and increased understanding of virus containment and mitigation, what followed was a death rate that was still 9% higher than normal. Did the policy changes over the last year introduce a significantly different result with COVID-19's effect on humanity? It's difficult to conclude that they did.
Over the past two years America has invented vaccines, rolled them out to 2/3 of the population, implemented mask mandates, vaccine mandates, social distancing guidelines, non-essential business shutdowns, child vaccinations, government employment vaccine mandates, vaccine mandates for large-gathering attendance, and many more policies. Has any of it really made an impact? Based on these graphs' portrayal of the government's figures, I have a hard time concluding that we've had any effect on the virus.
They accepted the fact that cloth masks don't protect you from these variants. Aerosol viruses are nearly impossible to create a functional barrier.
NC hasn't had a mask mandate since May 2021. At that time Governor Cooper left the decision up to counties, cities, etc.
I would think this is what the "small government" crowd would want, rather than some over-arching state-level requirement on either side of the argument.
Of course Desantis and tons of other governors went heavy-handed with a one-size-fits-the-entire state approach, so maybe "small government" doesn't apply there.
...and when someone demonstrates that the vaccines have not reduced the spread or reduced the severity of infection??? Villified. I agree with you, but people are too religious about all of it.
the Covid sheeple will NEVER EVER admit that the vaxx hasnt helped. they went all in on it.
If that were true, then why did the overall death rate increase by only 12% in the year with no vaccinations and 9% in the year where 2/3 of the US population was vaccinated? Why didn’t the vaccine have any effect on Hospitalizations and ICU admissions while we vaccinated 3 out of 5 people in NC? (See my post above with graphs supporting these conclusions.)
This is not hard. Take the number of deaths from covid last week. Take that list and separate those who died that were vaccinated and those who died that were not vaccinated. Like I said, it’s not hard.
Can you post the link you used to review those deaths ... over the last 100 weeks? Here are my links, and I'm happy to post the CSV data from each right here so you can save time and review it.
Data Behind the Dashboards | NC COVID-19
covid19.ncdhhs.gov
Be very wary of information that assigns COVID and/or Vaccination status with Deaths. There are heavy third party payment, religious, and political influences with these assignments and extremely poor accountability. So there is enormous error in those "COVID Deaths" figures. Given that, I'll play the Deaths game if that excites you and show you this chart derived from NCDHHS data. It shows the running 30-day Percent Positivity Rate (red) against both the running 7-day Deaths average (gray) and the state's Vaccination Rate (green).
If the vaccines prevented deaths, shouldn't the green line's rise have had an effect on the gray line's affinity for the red line? In fact, in the Vaccination Period (1/1/21 thru 12/4/21, Omicron's appearance), at any point we could predict the 7-day Deaths total by multiplying the 30-day Positivity Rate by 5.175 (remember that the red and gray lines are portrayed on differing scales). The measure of fit for that equation is only 77 out of 100, but as I stated before, the judgement of these "COVID deaths" is wrought with error, so 77 is higher than I predicted before gathering this data.
ICU and Hospital admissions are not as subjective, though. Using the same regression analysis methods, with 96% confidence we can say that at any point in the Vaccination Period, we could predict the number of ICU patients by multiplying the 7-day average of the Percent Positivity Rate by 67.732. We could predict the Hospitalizations with 95% accuracy by multiplying the 7-day Percent Positivity Rate by 264.000.
All three of these equations held constant through the entire 334 day period where we went from 100% Unvaccinated to 40% Unvaccinated. The presence of the vaccine had no apparent influence on the infected population's likelihood of survival to an extent, but even more so their ability to avoid the ICO or the hospital.
This is not hard. Take the number of deaths from covid last week. Take that list and separate those who died that were vaccinated and those who died that were not vaccinated. Like I said, it’s not hard.Can you post the link you used to review those deaths ... over the last 100 weeks? Here are my links, and I'm happy to post the CSV data from each right here so you can save time and review it.
Data Behind the Dashboards | NC COVID-19
Be very wary of information that assigns COVID and/or Vaccination status with Deaths. There are heavy third party payment, religious, and political influences with these assignments and extremely poor accountability. So there is enormous error in those "COVID Deaths" figures. Given that, I'll play the Deaths game if that excites you and show you this chart derived from NCDHHS data. It shows the running 30-day Percent Positivity Rate (red) against both the running 7-day Deaths average (gray) and the state's Vaccination Rate (green).
If the vaccines prevented deaths, shouldn't the green line's rise have had an effect on the gray line's affinity for the red line? In fact, in the Vaccination Period (1/1/21 thru 12/4/21, Omicron's appearance), at any point we could predict the 7-day Deaths total by multiplying the 30-day Positivity Rate by 5.175 (remember that the red and gray lines are portrayed on differing scales). The measure of fit for that equation is only 77 out of 100, but as I stated before, the judgement of these "COVID deaths" is wrought with error, so 77 is higher than I predicted before gathering this data.
ICU and Hospital admissions are not as subjective, though. Using the same regression analysis methods, with 96% confidence we can say that at any point in the Vaccination Period, we could predict the number of ICU patients by multiplying the 7-day average of the Percent Positivity Rate by 67.732. We could predict the Hospitalizations with 95% accuracy by multiplying the 7-day Percent Positivity Rate by 264.000.
All three of these equations held constant through the entire 334 day period where we went from 100% Unvaccinated to 40% Unvaccinated. The presence of the vaccine had no apparent influence on the infected population's likelihood of survival to an extent, but even more so their ability to avoid the ICO or the hospital.
There is an incredible amount of error in your method. Your method is susceptible to bias from those determining the cause of death and inaccurate vaccination reporting and record-keeping. It overlooks comorbidities, the expected death toll, therapeutics that were/weren't administered, the patient's level of vaccination/boosting, the rate of vaccination in the community, the level of infection in the community, which variant infected the victim, and the time lapse between vaccination and infection.
stop with the facts and data ... the covid sheeple want you to simply take whatever the MSM gives you and regurgitate it as the rule.
People were getting the same treatment in the hospital, or at least Drs were trying to give same treatment. Discard all that^, more COVID patient deaths were in unvaxxed than vaxxed by a mile Not hard.
If co-morbidity was really an issue relating to more death, are you saying only the unvaxxed happened to have co-morbidity? That makes 0 sense.
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exactly. go back under your bed, doubled masked and wait for Papaw Joe and Tony to give you the green light to live life again.
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