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The two biggest issues that have kept this thing going are how the vaccine was marketed and the news. The vaccine should have never been marketed as something that would make the virus go away. That's never the first purpose of a vaccine, that's the secondary hope. The first purpose is to reduce the risk of getting sick to the point of dying. I've never had a doctor tell me that a vaccine will rid society of any disease. If your doctor has, I recommend you find a new one.
The second issue, the news, is partly our fault. Their goal is to make as much money as possible. They do this by clicks and fear usually drives clicks. If we would just ignore the world ending news, then they would be more responsible in their reporting, because that would make them money.
The second issue, the news, is partly our fault. Their goal is to make as much money as possible. They do this by clicks and fear usually drives clicks. If we would just ignore the world ending news, then they would be more responsible in their reporting, because that would make them money.
The virus was around almost a whole yr before the release of vaccines. So scientists have been studying "natural immunity" for awhile. And before vaccines were available, people with prior infections were getting sick a second time (some severely). Stuff on waning:
The Duration, Dynamics, and Determinants of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) Antibody Responses in Individual Healthcare Workers - PubMed
SARS-CoV-2 anti-nucleocapsid antibodies wane within months and fall faster in younger adults and those without symptoms. However, anti-spike IgG remains stably detected. Ongoing longitudinal studies are required to track the long-term duration of antibody levels and their association with...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Defining the features and duration of antibody responses to SARS-CoV-2 infection associated with disease severity and outcome
Illness severity in COVID-19 correlates with specificity of serological responses, but antibody levels decrease in most patients.
www.science.org
This is an interesting read, and I think it still holds true that average natural infection and vaccines both offer a similar protection for 6 - 8 months.
Vaccinating people who have had covid-19: why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US?
The US CDC estimates that SARS-CoV-2 has infected more than 100 million Americans, and evidence is mounting that natural immunity is at least as protective as vaccination. Yet public health leadership says everyone needs the vaccine. Jennifer Block investigates When the vaccine rollout began in...
The stuff i'm referencing was pretty recent.
The US definitely lags other countries in the scope of recognition though. I suspect one reason is because the US has had high availability of the vaccines compared to other countries. Other countries were forced to ponder the protection of prior infections with availability of shots.
Thank you for responding with links, but I just don't have the time to digest all of it this morning and do it justice in terms of reading and understanding it all. My recollection of the stuff I have read previously about this topic always pointed to some quality diminishing (and that was justification for getting vaxxed on top), but there was one or two other aspects that profoundly impacted immunity and the ability to fight off future exposure. Those were still present and not diminishing at such a profound rate. This is the longer term look that is needed. As such, I don't know that they can truly say only 6 to 8 months of benefit from covid recovery.The virus was around almost a whole yr before the release of vaccines. So scientists have been studying "natural immunity" for awhile. And before vaccines were available, people with prior infections were getting sick a second time (some severely). Stuff on waning:
The Duration, Dynamics, and Determinants of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) Antibody Responses in Individual Healthcare Workers - PubMed
SARS-CoV-2 anti-nucleocapsid antibodies wane within months and fall faster in younger adults and those without symptoms. However, anti-spike IgG remains stably detected. Ongoing longitudinal studies are required to track the long-term duration of antibody levels and their association with...Defining the features and duration of antibody responses to SARS-CoV-2 infection associated with disease severity and outcome
Illness severity in COVID-19 correlates with specificity of serological responses, but antibody levels decrease in most patients.
This is an interesting read, and I think it still holds true that average natural infection and vaccines both offer a similar protection for 6 - 8 months.
Vaccinating people who have had covid-19: why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US?
The US CDC estimates that SARS-CoV-2 has infected more than 100 million Americans, and evidence is mounting that natural immunity is at least as protective as vaccination. Yet public health leadership says everyone needs the vaccine. Jennifer Block investigates When the vaccine rollout began in...www.bmj.com
The stuff i'm referencing was pretty recent.
The US definitely lags other countries in the scope of recognition though. I suspect one reason is because the US has had high availability of the vaccines compared to other countries. Other countries were forced to ponder the protection of prior infections with availability of shots.
And, just because people have gotten sick a second time, it doesn't mean that this shot would have stopped it. versus their natural immunity. Plenty of fully vaxxed people have gotten covid. The virus is constantly changing and adapting. It only makes sense that a strain that is blocked by prior infection and/or the shot would tamper down and a strain that isn't would surge.
Another thing that bothers me is everything is supposed to be a sign of corona. Did you sneeze? That's corona, get tested and stay home. Did you have an upset stomach? That's corona, get tested and stay home. Sometimes the pollen just bothers you or you ate some bad hot wings. Not everything has to be corona.
Don't look at this so narrowly. King Ouchy has always been a big time proponent of vaccines. This goes all the way back to the AIDS research. He made a decision early on in this timeline that anything that took away from the singular focus of getting the shot should be poo poo'ed. It is insanity that everything, including the kitchen sink, hasn't been fully studied and focused upon in terms of treatment, therapeutics, etc. Whether orange or someone else mentioned something should not have been a factor. That's something that should be pondered long and hard when you mention that politics is not part of this.
How can they remotely justify removing the emergency approval of monoclonal antibody use??????? Was there suddenly a bunch of deaths or side effects not reported we have missed???
Why is this not the default thinking for everyone? Why do many Americans believe it's my responsibility to quell someone else's fear and/or be mindful of their health? Serious question.
There is no regular sick anymore. Everything is COVID! Be afraid!!
I have never seen a more worked over and rehashed subject, and a more wasted body of verbiage, than what has accumulated in this tiresome thread. If one removed what has been argued and re-argued and repeated and re-repeated on end, there might be ten pages (out of almost two hundred) worth of new, meaningful, informative discussion.
And after all that has been said, nobody really knows anything that can be taken to the bank (other than the wisdom contained in this post).
And after all that has been said, nobody really knows anything that can be taken to the bank (other than the wisdom contained in this post).
I wish I could tell you. If I knew the answer, I would slap people in the face with it.
Yes. I've had it happen to my kids twice. One had an upset stomach and one had a headache with a mild fever (100.2). Both went away by end of night. Still had to hold them out and get tested.
we're a village, dude. Play this over and over and soon you'll start to feel the love bubbling up from your stomach.
Got the booster shot yesterday. Today I had my annual physical. I let the doctor talk me into the flu shot, which I never get. Then he said, let's get blood while you're here so they took what had to be eight quarts. As if three impalements in 24 hours wasn't enough, right as I'm about to leave he says, we need to schedule your colonoscopy. So, there's a fourth impalement on the horizon...
I would give this post a laugh emoji, but since I have to go to the doctor all the time I don't want any bad karma.
oh yeah, right…misunderstood your point.
i was coming from the in a public setting, grocery store, etc. and a cough or sneeze goes off and everyone moves away from the source…i freely admit late summer of 2020 i was there.
ten years ago i see a person with a mask on and i step away…now i see masked folks and for a minute i feel safer haha.
Not really. We have cities with a larger population than Denmark. It's much easier to control a small country. Especially when they aren't as diverse.
Exactly. And, contrary to what seems to be accepted today, our system was designed to be state based and not one size fits all to be federally decided. What works in New York just might not work in Wyoming and vice versa.
When I listen to Dr. Osterholm's podcasts, he always starts with "We have increased our sunshine by 15 minutes this week." WOW! Really? He's referring to Minne-freaking-sota! Hey! If you people lived in climates conducive to the human species, you wouldn't be handicapped by lack of sunlight!
I meant more in the sense European countries have been far more willing to take extreme measures to combat the virus than even most liberal cities/regions in the US. And yet places like Boston and New York still treat coronavirus as if it's the end of the world. There are still mask mandates where I am and now there's a vaccine one in Boston in order to enter bars and restaurants.
Denmark said f**k it, it's over. I quite wish we could do the same.
especially a country like Denmark which is pretty much on a peninsula, almost an island. Only one way for shit to get in, and that small border is with a country that doesn't particularly want to be in Denmark.
har har
Lockdowns only reduced COVID-19 death rate by .2%, study finds: 'Lockdowns should be rejected out of hand'
Lockdowns during the first COVID-19 wave in the spring of 2020 only reduced COVID-19 mortality by .2% in the U.S. and Europe, according to a Johns Hopkins University meta-analysis of several studies.
I can't help it...told 'em so. Of course that's just a Johns Hopkins' study. WTF do they know?Lockdowns only reduced COVID-19 death rate by .2%, study finds: 'Lockdowns should be rejected out of hand'
Lockdowns during the first COVID-19 wave in the spring of 2020 only reduced COVID-19 mortality by .2% in the U.S. and Europe, according to a Johns Hopkins University meta-analysis of several studies.www.foxnews.com
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Crazy right-winger, conspiracy theorists.
I said when this first started when we allowed them to close business, churches and other places in the name of public safety that was a slippery slope and when we gave them that inch they are trying to take a mile. I.e. Vax and mask mandates too earn a living.
It's never been about safety it's always been about control, and it's going to get worse!
It's never been about safety it's always been about control, and it's going to get worse!
To be fair, we never really had a true lockdown, which was one of my biggest problems with this whole thing. All we did was just caused people to die over a longer period of time. Should have just kept everything the same and just shortened the time period of deaths.Lockdowns only reduced COVID-19 death rate by .2%, study finds: 'Lockdowns should be rejected out of hand'
Lockdowns during the first COVID-19 wave in the spring of 2020 only reduced COVID-19 mortality by .2% in the U.S. and Europe, according to a Johns Hopkins University meta-analysis of several studies.
Lockdowns only reduced COVID-19 death rate by .2%, study finds: 'Lockdowns should be rejected out of hand'
Lockdowns during the first COVID-19 wave in the spring of 2020 only reduced COVID-19 mortality by .2% in the U.S. and Europe, according to a Johns Hopkins University meta-analysis of several studies.
John Hopkins was a well known slave owner and racist. I couldn't imagine giving a study from him any weight, but then again I'm not a racist like most on this board
My brain unable to process this post. I read it and get an error message.
I understand your exasperation and share it some respects. That being said, there’s no appetite in this country for mandates anymore or strict covid rules, which were never that strict to begin with.
I’d wager 75% of the country has no restrictions at all anymore.
But it's the 25% that's the problem. My wife was forced to choose between taking by the vaccine and losing there career. It not just like losing a job the is a nurse she has years of schooling to earn that just to be bullied into taking it. They had no issue with her not being vaccinated when this started and she went to work not knowing the true dangers of Covid. She has nurse friend that were pregnant and ask to just be able to wait till after their babies were born to take the shot and they were told no.
You have school systems in VA that are forcing kids to wear mask or be suspended, even though it has been scientifically proved that the mask don't and didn't work.
So any percentage of over reach is to much!
Looks like we found the racist. Probably un-vaxxed too and doesn't wear a mask.
I assume recently.
The point is that any study from an institution so blatantly biased and racist as John Hopkins is irrelevant. That's why I get my facts from MSNBC, CNN, WRAL and the News and Observer- I can count on them to tell me the truth.
This is what makes @blazers such a smart guy- he is constantly linking stories from these fine sources.
^dropping knowledge bombs all up in here. This guy had to learn via a $100 bitcoin bet too.
ETA - and an additional $50 bitcoin bet.
Oh ok... well those are some quality sources I will give you that.
I have plenty of bitcoin but I certainly would never bet it- not even a paltry sum of $150.
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