With Justin out the door, and the fact that it is starting to look like Berry might be as well, does that make it more likely that Tony also leaves??
Do you think Berry will be back.
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The issues he has is he is 6'0" with a 6'3" wingspan. Athleticism and quickness don't make up for this fact. He is probably a 2nd round pick next year even if he goes all Frank Mason because of measureables. So he accomplishes the best he can at UNC and that is win a Natty as the lead dog of the squad. His potential is what it is physically and we don't know the family situation either. Plus the kid just might be ready to get paid. He may not be NBA material?(Could be though) But you can make an excellent living in Europe and he is good enough to play in those top leagues. Keith Langford that played at KU under Roy was an undersized SG/SF and made like 20 mill over a decade period in Europe. Don't know about you but that sounds pretty sweet!
I thought that was a given. It's just even better when you are young and well paid.
The ring could change everything. The chase is what you work for, but once you got the ring it might be time to take on the next challenge.
In terms of his NBA future, I think Joel Berry is what he is. At best, he's a backup PG in the NBA. The Mike Conley comparisons are a bit absurd IMO. Conley is probably one of the 5 best PG's in the NBA (Steph, CP3, Westbrook then Conley/Wall/Lowry/Lillard). To me, Joel Berry is more like Darren Collison (less athletic, less lengthy than Collison) who in reality is a backup PG for any playoff caliber or average NBA team.
The fact is, Darren Collison's are available at every point in every draft. I don't think Berry staying to leaving this year will impact his pro potential much.
He's also a year older than most of his peers. He's 22...
To me, I'd be surprised if he's back.
In terms of his NBA future, I think Joel Berry is what he is. At best, he's a backup PG in the NBA. The Mike Conley comparisons are a bit absurd IMO. Conley is probably one of the 5 best PG's in the NBA (Steph, CP3, Westbrook then Conley/Wall/Lowry/Lillard). To me, Joel Berry is more like Darren Collison (less athletic, less lengthy than Collison) who in reality is a backup PG for any playoff caliber or average NBA team.
The fact is, Darren Collison's are available at every point in every draft. I don't think Berry staying to leaving this year will impact his pro potential much.
He's also a year older than most of his peers. He's 22...
To me, I'd be surprised if he's back.
I don't think it's intel, just speculation based on the fact he won a championship and the roster next year will be entirely different and unproven.
I'd love to see him come back but won't be the least bit surprised if he goes.
Speaking only for myself, my intel is from folks that are usually 99.5% correct . .
Is it really that hard to believe that Joel is leaving after a Championship season . . ?
Joel is leaving, Tony likely will as well . .
Both leaving puts us in real jeopardy of securing the services Mr. Knox . . (jmhho)
Next season will probably be one of the biggest shifts since Roy came to Chapel Hill. It will be nothing like 2005-06. It will probably be worse than 2009-10.
Enjoy the off-season and that championship as long as you can.
Well if that is the case then I wish them all the luck in the world. They been a great pleasure to watch and fine young men for the program to have.
I'd be down to wager that UNC makes the NCAAT next year (and thus not worse than the 09-10 NIT appearance) if you'd like to support that prediction monetarily.
Yeah, as mentioned above. My fear is: Joel likely leaving, means Bradley likely leaving, means unlikely we get Knox. This misses in recruiting were bound to catch up with us sooner or later, appears it will be sooner.
I'll enjoy the title as long as i can and hope for the best.
I'll enjoy the title as long as i can and hope for the best.
I don't guess I'd be surprised by Berry leaving but it would be telling. What it's telling is that Berry just doesn't want to be in school any longer. I don't think he'll get drafted at all. If he does, it's super late 2nd round. Most super late 2nd round picks don't play in the NBA the following year. He's destined for the NBDL unless he's ok with living outside the U.S. The NBDL doesn't pay jack shit. So, IMO, it makes more sense for him to roll the dice on another year in college, hope to play really well, win a bunch of awards and potentially make the back end of the first round in next year's significantly weaker draft.
As for Bradley, if he leaves, he's potentially cheating himself out of millions of dollars in his first contract. He's on the trajectory to be a lotto pick next year. I don't think he gets selected in the first round of this year's draft. And he doesn't seem like an immediate gratification type kid. I think he returns.
Knox will pick Carolina if Bradley and Berry are back. He will not if either or both leave.
As for Bradley, if he leaves, he's potentially cheating himself out of millions of dollars in his first contract. He's on the trajectory to be a lotto pick next year. I don't think he gets selected in the first round of this year's draft. And he doesn't seem like an immediate gratification type kid. I think he returns.
Knox will pick Carolina if Bradley and Berry are back. He will not if either or both leave.
If Joel and Tony leave then next year could be ugly regardless of whether or not we get Knox.
Isaiah is literally the worst defensive PG in the NBA. He's having a hell of a year though regardless... But yea, I'd take 7 PG's in the NBA ahead of Isaiah.
Like most of the other stuff on here. OPINION. They are like A-HOLES. Everybody has one
Makes no sense. Perceived strength of the roster has little to do with it. He could still come to be the center piece and be a lottery pick on a non tournament team, you know like Ben Simmons last year and Fultz this year.
Hopefully Knox feels very comfortable playing with Jalek at the JBC, where Berry's exit wouldn't eliminate us. If Bradley goes, we need to land Tilmon.
It'll be ugly period. You know why I'm constantly harping on our recruiting? This is the reason right here.
If he doesn't care about winning, then maybe you're right. But I take him as a more competitive kid than that. Plus, this whole idea of top recruits playing for garbage programs will run it's course. Because eventually, ESPN and the like are going to realize how bad the product is even with top freshmen. I can tell you that I watched a few LSU games when Simmons was there and it was a snoozefest. His talent didn't make up for the lack of talent around him. And as far as Fultz goes, I didn't see him play one single time this year. I'd be curious what the ratings for UDub games were this year. Those hardcore OADers are going to realize you can't "build your brand" playing on a shitty team and they'll eventually end this madness of selecting second rate programs to play for. And if they're not hardcore OADers, then I would think playing for a winner is a pretty big concern.
After rethinking it a little, the 09-10 team had some funky personnel issues that I can't be sure will occur this time. However, it will be a big change because of the loss of so may players. Seems like UNC is as good as their point guard position is played. I feel sure that Berry is gone. So, I'm not expecting very much at all next season.
So you're saying Joel is going to declare and sign with an agent and just not test?
I'll take that bet in a heartbeat, I don't care if your intel is Joel's old man.
I wasn't offering that up as a wager . . however, I am extremely confident in my sources.
If, you'd like to wager the outcome, I'm good for $100 . . are we on . . ?
I said last week that I had heard Berry was likely gone as well. Not sure if it happens, and I'm not certainly not guaranteeing or wagering anything, but that's what I heard. But like I said last week, bad news is not typically received well on a rival board so I tend to shy away from posting here unless it's good news for UNC.
What you thinking about Bradley? If JB is gone then we definitely need Bradley. Pinson could play some point forward as he is our best passer and I actually think Jalek will be ready to contribute right away.
I wouldn't bet against Billy's info,over the years it's been fairly accurate.
Guess I'll have to watch the Jordan Brand Classic & hope Felton impresses Knox enough to still want to come here.
There's been plenty of times I've refrained from posting. All fan bases alike (Duke included) sometimes live in fantasy worlds when it comes to recruiting. There have been recruits that you guys talk about on here that I know fully well that are NOT going to UNC. But I don't stop by daily to try and burst anyone's bubble. I try to stick to conversations that I think UNC has a good/marginal chance in. (Knox, Langford, etc).
I've also heard info on guys like Platek who was going to UNC and relayed that as well, although most of you had a pretty good idea you were getting him so I realize that wasn't a "huge scoop" or anything.
I just heard the stuff about Berry and if I were a UNC fan I would want to hear it so I could start mentally preparing for that possibility. When I posted it last week, people just mocked me (which is cool, I'm a Duke fan so it's expected). But now all of a sudden there's chatter from UNC people about Berry possibly bouncing so maybe it wasn't so absurd.
The Berry Bradley talk didn't go over very well last week. Are you hearing that Frank Jackson is still thinking about declaring ?
There have been rumors about Frank considering it. Part of me would be surprised if he did, but then with his athleticism I could also see him grading out well at the combine. I have heard he's leaning towards returning, but that's not guaranteed either.
Makes almost no sense. Next years class is much weaker for one, right now he's a barely second round pick for two, and three everyone knows he was barely healthy this year-so he could easily improve his stock and maybe push into the first round .
Maybe with winning a NC he is satisfied. Chances of winning it back to back are very slim with no bigs with experience.
I've seen that, but also seen an opinion from another who isn't so sure. I haven't gotten anythng at all from my best source yet, so until I do, or JB himself announces something, it's just wait and see for me. I fully expect him to "enter the draft" and at least be evaluated either way.
Anyone know how his ankles are? Entering the combine with injuries would be tough too.
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