You've got 4 to 8 years to hear about those things .... relax.
DONALD TRUMP...POTUS!
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You've got 4 to 8 years to hear about those things .... relax.
i don't think you know what that means if you think i am...by all means though, continue on.
Can I use some of your salt to make the margaritas?
Trump is gonna have us under full sail with a following wind by that point.
They are gonna push Tim Kaine or some other sacrificial lamb out in 2020, just like Mondale in 84 or Dole in 96.
Hey @UNC71-00 the next bet should be when will they start building the wallthat'll be a good one
it's not happening...might get in on this'n also.
Hey @UNC71-00 the next bet should be when will they start building the wall
I dont much care about that, TBH
Our political system is broken if someone like Trump can win the vote. Religious-voters have no idea what they're getting in Trump, they would've chosen anyone other than a dem.
If people are voting for anti-establishment reasons, then there *should* be better ways than promoting a wildcard like Trump. he's high-risk.
I like the fact that he wants to add term-limits and get rid of some corruption in DC, limit lobbying perhaps. I think economic impact of a president is pretty limited. Scary stuff (other than supreme court) is that he might stick big oil people at dept of Interior - you can say good buy to national forests, designated wilderness and progress toward climate change.
Seems lots of middle-income and lower-income people are looking for a change, and the current political situation (red or blue) isn't the answer for them in my opinion. DC is stuck and there is too much outside influence.
A not-too-violent revolution might be nice.
If people are voting for anti-establishment reasons, then there *should* be better ways than promoting a wildcard like Trump. he's high-risk.
I like the fact that he wants to add term-limits and get rid of some corruption in DC, limit lobbying perhaps. I think economic impact of a president is pretty limited. Scary stuff (other than supreme court) is that he might stick big oil people at dept of Interior - you can say good buy to national forests, designated wilderness and progress toward climate change.
Seems lots of middle-income and lower-income people are looking for a change, and the current political situation (red or blue) isn't the answer for them in my opinion. DC is stuck and there is too much outside influence.
A not-too-violent revolution might be nice.
Hey @UNC71-00 the next bet should be when will they start building the wall
@chick_bleeds_carolina_blue -- here you go (per NPR, first 100 days plan):
- End Illegal Immigration Act Fully-funds the construction of a wall on our southern border with the full understanding that the country Mexico will be reimbursing the United States for the full cost of such wall; establishes a 2-year mandatory minimum federal prison sentence for illegally re-entering the U.S. after a previous deportation, and a 5-year mandatory minimum for illegally re-entering for those with felony convictions, multiple misdemeanor convictions or two or more prior deportations; also reforms visa rules to enhance penalties for overstaying and to ensure open jobs are offered to American workers first.
http://www.npr.org/2016/11/09/501451368/here-is-what-donald-trump-wants-to-do-in-his-first-100-days
Indeed. The trade deficit is a perfect negotiating tool. Mexico wants to keep it's goods flowing across our border; then Mexico can build the wall or keep it's junk.
Millions of US dollars flow into Mexico in economic aid annually; if Mexico wants those dollars to keep flowing then they can build a wall.
That's just two examples. There are hundreds. They won't like it but they WILL build the wall. One way or another.
There's a difference between what a president wants to do in his first 100 days versus what will actually happen.
Trump's gonna own Nieto. From that impromptu press conference between them before Trump was even elected...look at the facial expressions. This dude probably curled into the fetal position Tuesday night.
Noted.
But given the GOP controls all three branches, I doubt you'll see too many roadblocks to what he - and they - want to accomplish.
And the country sighs in relief.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article113778808.html
Philanthropic efforts is code for what?
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article113778808.html
Philanthropic efforts is code for what?
He's not the most well like person in the GOP, so I think you might be surprised at the amount of pushback he gets in the senate. Also, I hate to be a dick, but the GOP only controls two branches. Executive and legislative. I know you are talking about both chambers of congress, but for some reason it's always annoyed me when someone refers to them as two branches.
Meh...no worries. I sucked at Social Studies, so the breakdowns of Federal, Judicial, etc....I'll admit that isn't my thing.
If the GOP is halfway smart, they'll notice what happened to several of their now-former colleagues who openly refused to support Trump. After what we just saw Trump overcome to win this, I wouldn't bet against him.
Ahhh but there be's some old azz Supremes and we just waiting to move the court to the right when their old azzzes kick the bucket. Supremes death pool? .
I'd argue the opposite. That the political system is broken if someone like Trump can't win. If someone is the best person for the job, it shouldn't matter if they haven't had 30 years worth of experience taking bribes from special interest groups and getting all their friends in positions of power.
I think the GOP will quickly come around on him (as we've already seen with what can be considered the "top" person in the GOP, Paul Ryan). I think the party was just afraid he wouldn't win, and didn't want to destroy the party by backing someone that the country saw as a racist and having people think the whole party is therefore racist. Now that America has spoken, and not nearly as many people think he's a nutjob as the media had everyone believing, they'll realize they can support him without endangering the party.
They are/will rally around him ... he's going to undo so much of Obama's crap quickly and thoroughly .. and will end up being widely loved before it's all said and done.
Only things to undo are the ACA and a bunch of executive orders that he couldn't get passed into law. Pretty flimsy record for the Greatest President ever.
BLM and Never Trumpers a few years from now:
Popular vote didn't want trump, i'm guessing more than half of americans feel the wall should be at the bottom of our priority list considering the immediate cost, long-term upkeep cost and questions of whether it would be effective in controlling the border, and effective on things like labor market and social services impact of documented vs undocumented workers, etc
The wall won't cost anything if Trump sticks to his guns. Mexico will build it. Mexico will maintain it. The US holds all the cards here.
I just saw a picture of Trump taken today. He's already aged 10 years. He looks petrified to me.
It would take yrs before Mexico would budge. How much annual aid do we give mexico, is it anywhere near the amount required to build the wall?
As for remittances being western-union'd it would be really easy to just have a legal friend wire that money. I think the idea of halting that remittance money is much easier said than done, especially in this global/internet era of things like paypal. If they make rules to stop $24 billion remittance money going to mexico, someone will find a blackmarket or internet-obscured way around it. Just charging a fraction of that 24 billion would net people million$.
Plus attempts at the rules changes to enforce that stuff will take awhile to go thru, and a really long time for Mexico to determine the exact incentive to undo this type of "sanction". I think he'd need two terms to see the first 10 miles completed. Meanwhile, we could try other means for addressing the root issues of illegals in the labor market, illegal's impact on social services, etc.
You really think so? Look up how much financial aid Mexico received from the US last year. I guarantee it wouldn't take a hot minute to get them to agree to build it.
We give them aid for what? He will continue to give them aid IF they pay for the wall??? I'm obviously clueless on how this works.
You can judge Trump from many angles, but when it comes to constructing buildings / structures, it's foolish to question whether he could pull that off.
We must have been watching two different things. I saw two people who just had a tense conversation trying to look cordial for the public. I personally care more about what happens when the cameras aren't rolling.
It's not as much as you would think. The most recent numbers I could find were from 2013. Total was about $420 million.
Economic and military assistance. Which means we give them money and the leaders do whatever the hell they want with it.
The bigger carrot is the flow of remittance money which is just stuff that people in america wire back to mexico (western union style). This is estimated at 24 Billion which is huge. It would kill mexico's economy if that money stopped... but i'm not sure if it truly can be stopped in the measurable way which is necessary to get mexico to budge anytime soon.
If he proceeds to use tax-payer money to build it, then which slice of this pie is getting robbed? -
