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It's not as much as you would think. The most recent numbers I could find were from 2013. Total was about $420 million.


Economic and military assistance. Which means we give them money and the leaders do whatever the hell they want with it.

Yes. The foreign aid isn't nearly the amount that the remittances are. Money earned by people in the US and sent back to friends/family in Mexico totaled $24B in 2014. As Blazers said above, it may be difficult to curb that. But if they could figure out a way - that $24B would most certainly give the Mexicans incentive to go along with the wall funding.
 
But if they could figure out a way - that $24B would most certainly give the Mexicans incentive to go along with the wall funding.

That is a giant IF. Plus you gotta get it passed. ... Gonna be shocking if it actually happens. I hope nobody voted for Trump based upon the wall. Voting based upon the wall is like voting on the hunch that Trump MIGHT be anti-abortion.
 
If he proceeds to use tax-payer money to build it, then which slice of this pie is getting robbed?

I would hope he doesn't use tax payer money to build it, but if he did, the "Housing and Community", "Medicare and Health", and "Government" slices will presumably be lowered under his administration and would be great places to take it from.

I still stand by my proposal from months ago. Building guard towers and paying snipers to man the towers with instructions to shoot anything that moves that crosses the border, would be a much cheaper and more effective solution than a stupid wall.
 
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How much is Mexico spending on the police force trying to deal with the crime generated largely from drug money funded by American citizens? (hint - not all of the answer here is financial).
 
The bigger carrot is the flow of remittance money which is just stuff that people in america wire back to mexico (western union style). This is estimated at 24 Billion which is huge. It would kill mexico's economy if that money stopped... but i'm not sure if it truly can be stopped in the measurable way which is necessary to get mexico to budge anytime soon.
You could never truly stop it because it doesn't have to be sent electronically. Short of adding some sort of tariff I don't see how he could do it.
 
How much is Mexico spending on the police force trying to deal with the crime generated largely from drug money funded by American citizens? (hint - not all of the answer here is financial).

Nevermind, I found it. Mexican authorities apparently estimate $64.34 billion annually is earned by drug cartels from America.

Furthermore, in 2013 (most recent I could find), Mexico spent $172.7 billion directly to fight drug cartels.

The motivation is there on both sides, I promise you.
 
Popular vote didn't want trump, i'm guessing more than half of americans feel the wall should be at the bottom of our priority list considering the immediate cost, long-term upkeep cost and questions of whether it would be effective in controlling the border, and effective on things like labor market and social services impact of documented vs undocumented workers, etc

Furthermore, Trump wasn't campaigning to win the popular vote. We have no idea what would have happened if he had spent more time campaigning in states where he had no shot to win the electoral vote. And the same applies to Hillary.

Bottom line is that Trump is the president-elect.

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I don't think gov aid is a carrot to hold over their head for the 5 to 25 billion that it will cost to construct (maintenance excluded).

The bigger carrot is the flow of remittance money which is just stuff that people in america wire back to mexico (western union style). This is estimated at 24 Billion which is huge. It would kill mexico's economy if that money stopped... but i'm not sure if it truly can be stopped in the measurable way which is necessary to get mexico to budge anytime soon.

If he proceeds to use tax-payer money to build it, then which slice of this pie is getting robbed? -

International affairs will take a hit. Also, we could put a tax on money wired from the US to Mexico. People here sending money back to their families is the primary method of Mexican welfare- I don't think the Mexican govt would want the backlash on that kind of tax.
 
International affairs will take a hit. Also, we could put a tax on money wired from the US to Mexico. People here sending money back to their families is the primary method of Mexican welfare- I don't think the Mexican govt would want the backlash on that kind of tax.

we can't even follow ISIS & al-queda money... you think we could follow money going from us citizens (illegals can pay citizens to move money) to another country given all the internet and other forms of money moving? Give up on the part involving mexico paying for it.
 
Nevermind, I found it. Mexican authorities apparently estimate $64.34 billion annually is earned by drug cartels from America.

Furthermore, in 2013 (most recent I could find), Mexico spent $172.7 billion directly to fight drug cartels.

The motivation is there on both sides, I promise you.

Cartels earn 64.34 billion and mexico spends 172 billion fighting them? over double? Why not just buy them out? I think those numbers must be off, regardless how much does the wall help in the situations above? And how much of that money is weed, which is soon to be legal everywhere?
 
Blazers...when you start deporting illegals the money starts drying up.

And good work on the Mexico money. I thought I read we send much more than $25M down there. I know the Donald has said in the past that if Mexico wanted to continue selling goods in the US they'd build the wall. We'll see.
 
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Cartels earn 64.34 billion and mexico spends 172 billion fighting them? over double? Why not just buy them out? I think those numbers must be off, regardless how much does the wall help in the situations above? And how much of that money is weed, which is soon to be legal everywhere?

No, no...the $64 billion was from America only (doesn't count how much they earn domestically from Mexican civilians). I'm talking purely about how much drug money is crossing our border with them and the fact they they are spending a shit-ton trying to fight a problem that is being largely funded by American dollars.
 
Meh...no worries. I sucked at Social Studies, so the breakdowns of Federal, Judicial, etc....I'll admit that isn't my thing.

If the GOP is halfway smart, they'll notice what happened to several of their now-former colleagues who openly refused to support Trump. After what we just saw Trump overcome to win this, I wouldn't bet against him.
Make that, possibly, all three branches of government to include SCOTUS. The first order of business will be to nominate a replacement for Scalia. That will be huge. Then, he could nominate another three or four SCOTUS Justices within the next 8 YEARS! STANDBY!!!
 
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They are/will rally around him ... he's going to undo so much of Obama's crap quickly and thoroughly .. and will end up being widely loved before it's all said and done.
He has pledged to eliminate two government regulations for every new regulation that is passed. And, he will be tasking his Cabinet to eliminate any and all regulations that kill jobs and limit economic growth. And, he has pledged to cancel everyone of Obama's Executive Orders that were either illegal and/or bypassed the normal legislative process.
 
Blazers...when you start deporting illegals the money starts drying up.

And good work on the Mexico money. I thought I read we send much more than $25M down there. I know the Donald has said in the past that if Mexico wanted to continue selling goods in the US they'd build the wall. We'll see.

deporting illegals - That ain't gonna happen either. Trump's own website removed stuff about banning muslims. Like all politicians, he is moving back to the middle. Hopefully he can get some good stuff done, but mexico isn't paying for the wall, and immigration change will be slight, if any.
 
I just saw a picture of Trump taken today. He's already aged 10 years. He looks petrified to me.
Can you imagine how $RC looks without her mask on right now?!?!?! $RC is curled up in Chappaqua on XANAX and sleeping pills... She was a Hideous Beer Goggle Bitch (HBGB) to begin with... Watching that skag grow old in front of our eyes over the next few months before she's indicted would be much more frightening than anything that happens to Trump over the next EIGHT YEARS...
 
How about this: We tell them that if they don't pay for the wall, then we will adapt our immigration laws to mirror those of Mexico. They won't like that. Key parts in bold:


MEXICO’S IMMIGRATION LAW:[1][3]
(a.k.a. General Law on Population)


Mexico welcomes only foreigners who will be useful to Mexican society:
– Foreigners are admitted into Mexico “according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress.” (Article 32)
– Immigration officials must “ensure” that “immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance” and for their dependents. (Article 34)
– Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets “the equilibrium of the national demographics,” when foreigners are deemed detrimental to “economic or national interests,” when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when “they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy.” (Article 37)
– The Secretary of Governance may “suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest.” (Article 38)


Mexican authorities must keep track of every single person in the country:
– Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities upon request, i.e., to assist in the arrests of illegal immigrants. (Article 73)
– A National Population Registry keeps track of “every single individual who comprises the population of the country,” and verifies each individual’s identity. (Articles 85 and 86)
– A national Catalog of Foreigners tracks foreign tourists and immigrants (Article 87), and assigns each individual with a unique tracking number (Article 91).

Foreigners with fake papers, or who enter the country under false pretenses, may be imprisoned:
Foreigners with fake immigration papers may be fined or imprisoned. (Article 116)
– Foreigners who sign government documents “with a signature that is false or different from that which he normally uses” are subject to fine and imprisonment. (Article 116)


Foreigners who fail to obey the rules will be fined, deported, and/or imprisoned as felons:
Foreigners who fail to obey a deportation order are to be punished. (Article 117)
– Foreigners who are deported from Mexico and attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for up to 10 years. (Article 118)
– Foreigners who violate the terms of their visa may be sentenced to up to six years in prison (Articles 119, 120 and 121). Foreigners who misrepresent the terms of their visa while in Mexico — such as working with out a permit — can also be imprisoned.


Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on Population says,
– “A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally.” (Article 123)
– Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. (Article 125)
– Foreigners who “attempt against national sovereignty or security” will be deported. (Article 126)


Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals under the law:
– A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison. (Article 127)
– Shipping and airline companies that bring undocumented foreigners into Mexico will be fined. (Article 132)
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The Mexican constitution expressly forbids non-citizens to participate in the country’s political life.
Non-citizens are forbidden to participate in demonstrations or express opinions in public about domestic politics. Article 9 states, “only citizens of the Republic may do so to take part in the political affairs of the country.” Article 33 is unambiguous: “Foreigners may not in any way participate in the political affairs of the country.”

The Mexican constitution denies fundamental property rights to foreigners.
If foreigners wish to have certain property rights, they must renounce the protection of their own governments or risk confiscation. Foreigners are forbidden to own land in Mexico within 100 kilometers of land borders or within 50 kilometers of the coast.

Article 27 states, “Only Mexicans by birth or naturalization and Mexican companies have the right to acquire ownership of lands, waters, and their appurtenances, or to obtain concessions for the exploitation of mines or of waters. The State may grant the same right to foreigners, provided they agree before the Ministry of Foreign Relations to consider themselves as nationals in respect to such property, and bind themselves not to invoke the protection of their governments in matters relating thereto; under penalty, in case of noncompliance with this agreement, of forfeiture of the property acquired to the Nation. Under no circumstances may foreigners acquire direct ownership of lands or waters within a zone of one hundred kilometers along the frontiers and of fifty kilometers along the shores of the country.” (Emphasis added)


The Mexican constitution denies equal employment rights to immigrants, even legal
ones, in the public sector.



“Mexicans shall have priority over foreigners under equality of circumstances for all classes of concessions and for all employment, positions, or commissions of the Government in which the status of citizenship is not indispensable. In time of peace no foreigner can serve in the Army nor in the police or public security forces.” (Article 32)

The Mexican constitution guarantees that immigrants will never be treated as real Mexican citizens, even if they are legally naturalized.
Article 32 bans foreigners, immigrants, and even naturalized citizens of Mexico from serving as military officers, Mexican-flagged ship and airline crew, and chiefs of seaports and airports:

“In order to belong to the National Navy or the Air Force, and to discharge any office or commission, it is required to be a Mexican by birth. This same status is indispensable for captains, pilots, masters, engineers, mechanics, and in general, for all personnel of the crew of any vessel or airship protected by the Mexican merchant flag or insignia. It is also necessary to be Mexican by birth to discharge the position of captain of the port and all services of practique and airport commandant, as well as all functions of customs agent in the Republic.”

An immigrant who becomes a naturalized Mexican citizen can be stripped of his Mexican citizenship if he lives again in the country of his origin for more than five years, under Article 37. Mexican-born citizens risk no such loss.

Foreign-born, naturalized Mexican citizens may not become federal lawmakers (Article 55), cabinet secretaries (Article 91) or supreme court justices (Article 95).

The president of Mexico must be a Mexican citizen by birth AND his parents must also be Mexican-born citizens (Article 82), thus giving secondary status to Mexican-born citizens born of immigrants.

The Mexican constitution singles out “undesirable aliens.” Article 11 guarantees federal protection against “undesirable aliens resident in the country.”

The Mexican constitution provides the right of private individuals to make citizen’s arrests.
Article 16 states, “in cases of flagrante delicto, any person may arrest the offender and his accomplices, turning them over without delay to the nearest authorities.” Therefore, the Mexican constitution appears to grant Mexican citizens the right to arrest illegal aliens and hand them over to police for prosecution.

The Mexican constitution states that foreigners may be expelled for any reason and without due process.
According to Article 33, “the Federal Executive shall have the exclusive power to compel any foreigner whose remaining he may deem inexpedient to abandon the national territory immediately and without the necessity of previous legal action.”
 
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deporting illegals - That ain't gonna happen either. Trump's own website removed stuff about banning muslims. Like all politicians, he is moving back to the middle. Hopefully he can get some good stuff done, but mexico isn't paying for the wall, and immigration change will be slight, if any.
Here is the way you do it. You implement a national ID card requirement. In order to get a National ID Card you either have to present a birth certificate, VISA etc. You don't get a job unless you have an ID Card. You don't vote unless you have an ID card. You don't get government benefits without and ID Card. You basically can't do anything without an ID Card. That would drive many of the illegals here in the US back to where they came from. No Round Up required.

As far as banning muslims, that is and always has been total BS. He is talking about a temporary HOLD on refugees from certain areas of the Middle East (NOT ALL AREAS!!!) that have a high risk of ISIS/AQ/Taliban terrorist trying to infiltrate the country UNTIL we can figure out what is really going on and how we are going to implement EXTREME VETTING of those individuals. Sounds good to me. Sounded good to the American people, too.
 
deporting illegals - That ain't gonna happen either. Trump's own website removed stuff about banning muslims. Like all politicians, he is moving back to the middle. Hopefully he can get some good stuff done, but mexico isn't paying for the wall, and immigration change will be slight, if any.

I think you're selling him short. A lot of people have. I believe there will be a wall. It may be more of a fence than a wall but I believe there will be a barrier. I have no clue how effective it will be, either.

Rounding up and deporting illegals on any scale will be a nightmare, but you can certainly do away with Sanctuary Cities and actually make an effort to enforce our current immigration laws. After all they really are breaking the law by being here.
 
I think you're selling him short. A lot of people have. I believe there will be a wall. It may be more of a fence than a wall but I believe there will be a barrier. I have no clue how effective it will be, either.

Rounding up and deporting illegals on any scale will be a nightmare, but you can certainly do away with Sanctuary Cities and actually make an effort to enforce our current immigration laws. After all they really are breaking the law by being here.
Right, you do things that drive illegals out of the country vice coddling them, providing them sanctuary, giving them benefits, making them comfortable here in OUR country. I am all for immigration. That immigration has to be part of a legal process and can't be circumvented by people bum-rushing the border.
 
Can you imagine how $RC looks without her mask on right now?!?!?! $RC is curled up in Chappaqua on XANAX and sleeping pills... She was a Hideous Beer Goggle Bitch (HBGB) to begin with... Watching that skag grow old in front of our eyes over the next few months before she's indicted would be much more frightening than anything that happens to Trump over the next EIGHT YEARS...
WHY be a horrible person like that??? She lost so just let it go. Are you perfect?
 
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Popular vote didn't want trump, i'm guessing more than half of americans feel the wall should be at the bottom of our priority list considering the immediate cost, long-term upkeep cost and questions of whether it would be effective in controlling the border, and effective on things like labor market and social services impact of documented vs undocumented workers, etc
We need to start by actually enforcing immigration laws on the books and let the officers do their jobs that "Big Ears" has been preventing them from doing.
 
Popular vote didn't want trump, i'm guessing more than half of americans feel the wall should be at the bottom of our priority list considering the immediate cost, long-term upkeep cost and questions of whether it would be effective in controlling the border, and effective on things like labor market and social services impact of documented vs undocumented workers, etc
throw out the freaks in Cali and NY and it was a landslide for Trump.
 
we can't even follow ISIS & al-queda money... you think we could follow money going from us citizens (illegals can pay citizens to move money) to another country given all the internet and other forms of money moving? Give up on the part involving mexico paying for it.
If you don't think the gubmit knows every electronic transmission of money that is made then you are really naive. It just depends on which ones they want to stop and if it is PC or not. (hint: offending Muslims).
 
No, not perfect at all. Why did you say what you said? Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Simple physics...
I asked because in light of all the craziness going on with people reacting foolishly and rioting, why continue in that same light by being horrible like that. It was just disturbing to me to see more of it here. I didn't want Trump to win but I'm not calling him horrible things. I'm trying to be hopeful that something good will come out of it. Unity and being aware of how unkind we tend to be so that we can make efforts to change that would be a good start.
 
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There are a lot of true colors being shown by this supposed "Love Trumps Hate" crowd. Funny how that mantra only works when it's convenient.
 
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There are a lot of true colors being shown by this supposed "Love Trumps Hate" crowd. Funny how that mantra only works when it's convenient.

The refusal of the MSM to give the Trump haters riots the time of day, even when they are beating the crap out of people, and instead publicize some middle school kids who chanted "Build that Wall" without directing it at anyone or hurting anybody, is astounding (but not unexpected).
 
I also found this one misguided: I have a friend who is part of the LGBT community that has been very outspoken against Trump and his supporters on FB since the election (really nice girl other than that though). She is saying it's time for people to do something, since people are dying now in the wake of the results.

I thought, damn if there are Trump supporters actually killing people now, that's incredibly F'd up. Nope - she linked an article that referenced 3 LGBT folks who were "scared" of the election results and decided to commit suicide. Maybe I'm cold-hearted, but that doesn't get the same sympathy from me as being murdered because of your race/gender/orientation.
 
Headed into work today, the local radio came across telling listeners that counselors have been set up in local grade schools for students traumatized by he election. Are you f'ing kidding me? No wonder we're a nation of pansies. Our flag should be changed to pink and designed from curtains and throw pillows.

Grow some balls, America. Damn.
 
I also found this one misguided: I have a friend who is part of the LGBT community that has been very outspoken against Trump and his supporters on FB since the election (really nice girl other than that though). She is saying it's time for people to do something, since people are dying now in the wake of the results.

I thought, damn if there are Trump supporters actually killing people now, that's incredibly F'd up. Nope - she linked an article that referenced 3 LGBT folks who were "scared" of the election results and decided to commit suicide. Maybe I'm cold-hearted, but that doesn't get the same sympathy from me as being murdered because of your race/gender/orientation.

Wow.
 
Headed into work today, the local radio came across telling listeners that counselors have been set up in local grade schools for students traumatized by he election. Are you f'ing kidding me? No wonder we're a nation of pansies. Our flag should be changed to pink and designed from curtains and throw pillows.

Grow some balls, America. Damn.

Ya, the "safe spaces" to mourn the election have been rampant. I've heard of them at several colleges, even some workplaces up here. But to set them up in grade schools!?!? That's just fear mongering. Kids in 1st grade don't understand the intricacies of the election and candidates - at the most they just parrot whatever their parents say. Setting up counselors in their schools is a self-fulfilling prophecy of traumatizing the kids by making the kids think this is some disaster.
 
Headed into work today, the local radio came across telling listeners that counselors have been set up in local grade schools for students traumatized by he election. Are you f'ing kidding me? No wonder we're a nation of pansies. Our flag should be changed to pink and designed from curtains and throw pillows.

Grow some balls, America. Damn.
I'm not mad about this statement but do you see how what you said indicates that somehow women are weak and not up to par with men who are obviously stronger??? This is the kind of dialogue we need to work on. I don't personally take offense to it but MANY would.
 
All those loving, liberal lefties wanting to start a revolution and kill people need to take a close look at this map.

Remember, the only people that voted for Trump are rednecks, racists and white supremacists. You know...the folks with all the assault weapons, handguns and ammo.

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I'm not mad about this statement but do you see how what you said indicates that somehow women are weak and not up to par with men who are obviously stronger??? This is the kind of dialogue we need to work on. I don't personally take offense to it but MANY would.

GMAFB...It's a figure of speech. Our country has become softer than a batch of grandma's cookies. No wonder other countries laugh at us.
 
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