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Drake Powell has entered the NBA Draft

There is nothing in his statement about maintaining his eligibility for a return. He's gone.
That's how it read to me, as well.

I'm assuming we won't wait a month to learn if Drake is staying in the draft, since his statement didn't make that sound likely.

The good news is that there are several good replacements still in the portal. Some of them are doubtless also testing the draft, so maybe not as available as we'd like, but we can at least get to work.
 
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If it ends right now you are correct but they will fill 3/4 more spots and there is no telling who that may be
Now that the money set aside for Drake is available, I could see landing 1 or 2 more players.

If we struggle to get a starter to replace Drake, I wouldn't be totally surprised to see Cade come back.

Who we get to replace Drake could influence Lubin's decision to return.
 
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People are acting like we loss a 20 pt game scorer or something.

Barely.made an impact when it counted the most at the end of the year.
He was a great defender with loads of potential that flashed several times. No drama and good work ethic. Your previous post also mentioned that he may not be much in the league but a three and D guy. Danny Green says hello and that’s what he was.
 
Wilson
Cadeau
Jackson
Ingram
Garcia

All McDonald's All Americans who wanted to play for Hubert.

Last offseason was dramatically impacted by a lack of money, even if you refuse to admit it.
Cadeau- Portal(didnt like system)
Jackson- Portal(misused/under utilized)
Ingram- Great for one year
Garcia- Quit mid-season(playing time/system?)
Wilson- TBD

As it stands during his tenure as HC Hubert has recruited 1 McDonalds All American that has met or exceeded expectations(Ingram). Hubert doesn't seem like he knows what to do with talent does it? Not exactly a good track record and recruits are taking notice. We now have a team full of role players and one single starter/player that actually played meaningful minutes last year returning. Still think Hubert is the man for the job?
 
People are acting like we loss a 20 pt game scorer or something.

Barely.made an impact when it counted the most at the end of the year.
UNC fans saw enough to know that Drake Powell was about to be real good next year.

I am not comparing his game with these players, but I am comparing the similarities in Freshmen seasons that make me know Drake was going t o be special. Watching Vince freshmen year I knew he would be great (I am not looking at stats, but I am pretty sure Vince wasn't averaging 20), but he showed flashes. Watching Marvin Williams you knew he would have been a savage year 2, and statistically I don't think his numbers were big news. My point being Drake makes me feel the same way As those guys did, during thier feeshmen season even though statistically they didn't look great.

If he had returned Drake would have had an opportunity to be lottery or first round, and I think he would have achieved that easily rather we win or lose next year. So a lot of us feel Drake Powell was going to be our guy next year.

I thought a Drake return would have been a good look for UNC. His wing span has to be ridiculous. Drake feels like Kwahi Leonard to me.
 
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Drake feels like Kwahi Leonard to me.

That’s too much. I’m as big a Drake Powell fan as there is but this seems absurdly aggressive. I saw him with a ceiling like Eddie Jones/Josh Howard, which is pretty fantastic. But both of those players came into the NBA after having played 3/4 years of college ball and developing on a trajectory that is outdated. Even if Drake came back for next season and had an uptick in production and stature - similar to that of both Jones and Howard, and the uptick many of us feel Drake was destined for - he would certainly leave after next year, never reaching the college peak of those two players and most likely, limiting his ceiling production in the NBA. But to be fair, Jones and Howard were developed on that outdated trajectory by outstanding coaches. It made sense for those guys to come back to school and learn from real teachers of the game. Drake wasn’t going to get that. It’s probably best he moved on. For his own good.
 
People are acting like we loss a 20 pt game scorer or something.

Barely.made an impact when it counted the most at the end of the year.
He’s a pro and would have really had an opportunity to blossom as a sophomore. It’s also not like Hubie has a ton of DUDES to simply plug in. It also continues to show that the state of the program isn’t healthy. Not sure if it’s coaching style or NIL, probably a combination. Either way, he needs to fix this roster quickly or he may be done after this season.
 
UNC fans saw enough to know that Drake Powell was about to be real good next year.

I am not comparing his game with these players, but I am comparing the similarities in Freshmen seasons that make me know Drake was going t o be special. Watching Vince freshmen year I knew he would be great (I am not looking at stats, but I am pretty sure Vince wasn't averaging 20), but he showed flashes. Watching Marvin Williams you knew he would have been a savage year 2, and statistically I don't think his numbers were big news. My point being Drake makes me feel the same way As those guys did, during thier feeshmen season even though statistically they didn't look great.

If he had returned Drake would have had an opportunity to be lottery or first round, and I think he would have achieved that easily rather we win or lose next year. So a lot of us feel Drake Powell was going to be our guy next year.

I thought a Drake return would have been a good look for UNC. His wing span has to be ridiculous. Drake feels like Kwahi Leonard to me.
Drake Powell was always going to be a developmental prospect at UNC. I honestly never got a "special" vibe from him. I viewed more as a guy who's 2 years away from being 2 years away.

So the basketball question for him is if he'll develop better in the NBA (more likely in the G-League) or UNC? I would argue he made the right decision for his basketball development. UNC just hasn't developed NBA prospects recently. I think to assume Powell would be a 1st round pick simply by returning to UNC is a bit mis-stated. There just isn't evidence of that, especially under Hubert.

On a general question, which returning player really helped their draft stock by returning?
Cam Johnson helped and went #11 overall in 2019
Justin Jackson helped and went #15 overall in 2017
Brice Johnson probably helped and went #25 overall in 2016

After that, we're getting into the Kendall Marshall from over a decade ago. And the evidence under Hubert Davis is simply not there to develop NBA guys. I guess you can argue Harrison Ingram increased his draft stock at UNC, but you're not going to use 2-way contracts as a way to entice kids to come here.

The downside for Drake is he's now going into the NBA where it is the wild west. It will first depend where he gets drafted or where he signs. If he goes to like Golden State or Boston where they have a good infrastructure and stability, then he has a better chance. Unfortunately those solid NBA teams will also be contending teams and they will be more active at the deadline where a cheap asset like Drake Powell can be used in trades.

We'll see what happens. Best of luck to him.
 
Drake leaving because he received a 1st round grade in the draft does NOT say our program isn't healthy and it does NOT say our coaches could not help him develop! Our program has advised peeps with 1st round grades to go pro for my 60 years of fandom! There is ample evidence of players developing and the current roster has 3-4 excellent prospects to play the 3!

I too hoped he would stay because I thought he could be an ALL ACC level player next year and a potential defensive disruptor, but if his team and our coaches think this is his best option, I am nothing but happy for him!

The honorable thing (Carolina Way) should be to congratulate our Family for reaching for his goals like we always have!

Congrats Family!
 
Drake Powell was always going to be a developmental prospect at UNC. I honestly never got a "special" vibe from him. I viewed more as a guy who's 2 years away from being 2 years away.

Why are you the only one that sees it this way? I mean, I get differences of opinion and I generally like reading your thoughts and see you as a pretty knowledgeable poaster. But you seem to be in the minority here at this board (not saying much there) but even basketball analysts and those in the business saw Drake as THE guy next year for us if he had come back. I made the comparison to Eddie Jones and Josh Howard. Do you not think Drake has that kind of potential? Granted, the NBA game is different now and maybe those roles of Eddie Jones and Josh Howard don't really have a place so much anymore. But those two players came to mind after watching Drake this season. Elite, yet understated athleticism - meaning it's there but he doesn't feel the need to show it off at all times. He moves like a pro on the court - fluid and smooth, especially defensively. Never chaotic or spastic, under control and poised. He showed to have limited offensive ability but I'm of the thought he took a back seat role to RJ's ball dominance. And as I've said in other poasts about Drake, I feel the way he played this year is evidence of him being a good teammate and being coachable. He tried to fit in where he could and give to the team what it lacked. He didn't try to take over. He knew we had a guy for that. That shows a maturity that is rare in today's players. But I believe if he knew it was his team, he'd be willing to be the offensive lightning rod we'll need. He's not a shotmaker in the mold of RJ or Ian. But he's crafty, long, and mostly fearless. I could have seen him getting lots of buckets at the rim or at the FT line. I'm not at all worried about his FT percentage this year. That would have improved exponentially with more reps.

So the basketball question for him is if he'll develop better in the NBA (more likely in the G-League) or UNC? I would argue he made the right decision for his basketball development. UNC just hasn't developed NBA prospects recently. I think to assume Powell would be a 1st round pick simply by returning to UNC is a bit mis-stated. There just isn't evidence of that, especially under Hubert.
Fair. I don't have much faith in Hubert either. However, he'd make more money at Carolina next year than he will on the contract of the 28th pick in the first round, play in more meaningful games and develop in a more nurturing atmosphere. You yourself described the NBA (and I would assume the G-league as well) as the Wild West. They're not gonna give a f*ck about Drake Powell other than what he can produce. I'm not supportive of that teaching model. I don't think it really benefits any 20 year old to be seen and coached that way. College offers a more nurturing environment that I think is more conducive to learning when young.

And if he's a first round pick this year, you don't think he would be next year? I've seen how it can go sideways for guys returning and not meeting expectations. But Drake has the build and athleticism that he'd really have to botch it to go backwards in the NBA' eyes. I think he could come back and play the exact same way next year and still be a late first round pick.
 
Why are you the only one that sees it this way? I mean, I get differences of opinion and I generally like reading your thoughts and see you as a pretty knowledgeable poaster. But you seem to be in the minority here at this board (not saying much there) but even basketball analysts and those in the business saw Drake as THE guy next year for us if he had come back. I made the comparison to Eddie Jones and Josh Howard. Do you not think Drake has that kind of potential? Granted, the NBA game is different now and maybe those roles of Eddie Jones and Josh Howard don't really have a place so much anymore. But those two players came to mind after watching Drake this season. Elite, yet understated athleticism - meaning it's there but he doesn't feel the need to show it off at all times. He moves like a pro on the court - fluid and smooth, especially defensively. Never chaotic or spastic, under control and poised. He showed to have limited offensive ability but I'm of the thought he took a back seat role to RJ's ball dominance. And as I've said in other poasts about Drake, I feel the way he played this year is evidence of him being a good teammate and being coachable. He tried to fit in where he could and give to the team what it lacked. He didn't try to take over. He knew we had a guy for that. That shows a maturity that is rare in today's players. But I believe if he knew it was his team, he'd be willing to be the offensive lightning rod we'll need. He's not a shotmaker in the mold of RJ or Ian. But he's crafty, long, and mostly fearless. I could have seen him getting lots of buckets at the rim or at the FT line. I'm not at all worried about his FT percentage this year. That would have improved exponentially with more reps.
I do have to admit, after hearing that Elliot Cadeau is generational from a large chunk of this board, even into his second year, I'm going to be very cautious bringing up "special" or anything synonymous with that kind of hype. And if Powell stayed at UNC for year 2, I get the feeling the narrative was heading into that direction and that wasn't based on what I saw during the games. I saw a talented player who is developing fine at his own pace. But a player who has clear weaknesses and limitations that he's going to absolutely have to correct to become the player he can become. That in it of itself doesn't sound "special" to me. That sounds like the vast vast vast majority of college basketball players.

And regarding last season. I understand RJ takes a lot of the shots and dribbles. But this team was desperately looking for a #2 option all season long. The opportunities were there to take it. Powell didn't take it because he wasn't good enough to last season. I don't think it was because he's a great teammate. IMO, that's really spinning it in favor of Powell. He simply wasn't good enough last season for that responsibility. And in fairness to him, no one else was either, lol.

When I say he's 2 years away from being 2 years away, that's not saying he doesn't have potential. That's just saying I think he'd be a developmental prospect during his UNC career. He can go and terrorize the NBA for all I know. But I never saw special at UNC. I honestly thought Ian Jackson showed much more as a college prospect. In the NBA? Honestly, it can go either way there IMO. This is how I would "grade" Drake Powell. I'm not a talent evaluator but I probably watch more NBA than 90% of the posters here so I may have a better grasp of what works there and what doesn't (not by much though, lol).

Strengths:
- Obviously a plus-level defender who can defend some (not all) PGs and all 2s and 3s. I actually think playing the 4 for a period will end up being excellent for his development. He's going to face wings in the NBA that are built like college 4s. And NBA teams aren't opposed to playing small and playing dudes out of position.
- Competitor and unafraid. He didn't make many clutch shots at UNC, but he was unafraid to take them. That's important in my book.

Weaknesses:
- Ball handling. Right now, this is why he's a wing. He can't handle the ball and certainly cannot shoot off the dribble. So he also cannot create offense for his teammates. Very few SGs do not have the ability to create their own or teammates shots off the dribble in the NBA. (ball handling is a limitation that didn't allow Harrison Barnes to develop into an All Star level player)
- Free throw shooting. A tad unfair because he didn't shoot a ton of them but he shot enough to be concerned about his sub 70% FT shooting.
- Shot preparation. I think he has really poor footwork going into his shot. He sets up on his toes, which looks odd to me but his overall prerpation is pretty bad right now and it's partly a reason his shot takes forever to get up. He will obviously improve upon this and will need to. At the next level, players close out faster and they're longer. You have to be able to get your shot off quickly by doing your work early. IMO, a huge weakness right now.

Unknowns:
- 3PT shooting. Shot a good percentage. Will that translate to the next level shooting deeper 3s? I don't know. I'm probably a bit bearish unless his pre-shot preparation improves a lot. But it's an unknown and he can certainly get to where he needs to get to.
- Playmaking. He's such a limited ball handler right now that I don't know if this is a skill that's at a good or bad level.
- His longterm position. If he stays limited as a ballhandler, then he's going to be a wing. If the ballhandling improves a lot, is he a 2 or a 3?
 
Drake leaving because he received a 1st round grade in the draft does NOT say our program isn't healthy and it does NOT say our coaches could not help him develop! Our program has advised peeps with 1st round grades to go pro for my 60 years of fandom! There is ample evidence of players developing and the current roster has 3-4 excellent prospects to play the 3!

I too hoped he would stay because I thought he could be an ALL ACC level player next year and a potential defensive disruptor, but if his team and our coaches think this is his best option, I am nothing but happy for him!

The honorable thing (Carolina Way) should be to congratulate our Family for reaching for his goals like we always have!

Congrats Family!
I hope he gets drafted. Hubert needs to get players drafted in the NBA. That stuff matters to players and it's something that needs to happen. He's had 1 player drafted who ended their college career at UNC. And he has 0 players who have been 1st round picks.

I'm beginning to wonder what the draw is of playing for Hubert? Are you going to compete for championships? Sometimes, but certainly not consistently. Are you going to be 1st round pick? Currently, the answer is no. Are you going to be an NBA player? Maybe, but the answer currently is probably not. I get people think the UNC brand carries a lot of value.... But honestly, I think it's fair to say that playing at UNC doesn't mean as much as it did maybe 10+ years ago. Players values have changed and the economy has certainly changed. So is the value more sentimental than anything on the basketball court?

I have a bigger picture question for you (and everyone else). If the brand means less and is no longer the advantage that is once was, then what does that mean for the future of UNC basketball? Without that advantage, can Hubert do more himself to offset that? I guess that's my big picture worry for this program. And I think the college basketball brands mean less and less. Like I don't think playing at Kentucky means the same today as it did even 10 years ago. I don't think playing at Duke means the same as it did under K but they've sustained most of the quality of their basketball results.

I wonder what it will mean in the future if the UNC brand isn't as powerful a recruiting tool as it once was. I don't think kids today care nearly as much. It's a much shorter-term economy and that isn't just for kids.
 
That’s too much. I’m as big a Drake Powell fan as there is but this seems absurdly aggressive. I saw him with a ceiling like Eddie Jones/Josh Howard, which is pretty fantastic. But both of those players came into the NBA after having played 3/4 years of college ball and developing on a trajectory that is outdated. Even if Drake came back for next season and had an uptick in production and stature - similar to that of both Jones and Howard, and the uptick many of us feel Drake was destined for - he would certainly leave after next year, never reaching the college peak of those two players and most likely, limiting his ceiling production in the NBA. But to be fair, Jones and Howard were developed on that outdated trajectory by outstanding coaches. It made sense for those guys to come back to school and learn from real teachers of the game. Drake wasn’t going to get that. It’s probably best he moved on. For his own good.
I know the comparison was a stretch, but Leonard in college was just a really good all around player, who could defend and get to the rim.
 
He was a great defender with loads of potential that flashed several times. No drama and good work ethic. Your previous post also mentioned that he may not be much in the league but a three and D guy. Danny Green says hello and that’s what he was.
Danny Green wasn't the reason we won the 2009 championship either.

Om sure he would improve but to pretend this loss can't be overcome is a little ridiculous.
 
I do have to admit, after hearing that Elliot Cadeau is generational from a large chunk of this board, even into his second year, I'm going to be very cautious bringing up "special" or anything synonymous with that kind of hype. And if Powell stayed at UNC for year 2, I get the feeling the narrative was heading into that direction and that wasn't based on what I saw during the games. I saw a talented player who is developing fine at his own pace. But a player who has clear weaknesses and limitations that he's going to absolutely have to correct to become the player he can become. That in it of itself doesn't sound "special" to me. That sounds like the vast vast vast majority of college basketball players.

And regarding last season. I understand RJ takes a lot of the shots and dribbles. But this team was desperately looking for a #2 option all season long. The opportunities were there to take it. Powell didn't take it because he wasn't good enough to last season. I don't think it was because he's a great teammate. IMO, that's really spinning it in favor of Powell. He simply wasn't good enough last season for that responsibility. And in fairness to him, no one else was either, lol.

When I say he's 2 years away from being 2 years away, that's not saying he doesn't have potential. That's just saying I think he'd be a developmental prospect during his UNC career. He can go and terrorize the NBA for all I know. But I never saw special at UNC. I honestly thought Ian Jackson showed much more as a college prospect. In the NBA? Honestly, it can go either way there IMO. This is how I would "grade" Drake Powell. I'm not a talent evaluator but I probably watch more NBA than 90% of the posters here so I may have a better grasp of what works there and what doesn't (not by much though, lol).

Strengths:
- Obviously a plus-level defender who can defend some (not all) PGs and all 2s and 3s. I actually think playing the 4 for a period will end up being excellent for his development. He's going to face wings in the NBA that are built like college 4s. And NBA teams aren't opposed to playing small and playing dudes out of position.
- Competitor and unafraid. He didn't make many clutch shots at UNC, but he was unafraid to take them. That's important in my book.

Weaknesses:
- Ball handling. Right now, this is why he's a wing. He can't handle the ball and certainly cannot shoot off the dribble. So he also cannot create offense for his teammates. Very few SGs do not have the ability to create their own or teammates shots off the dribble in the NBA. (ball handling is a limitation that didn't allow Harrison Barnes to develop into an All Star level player)
- Free throw shooting. A tad unfair because he didn't shoot a ton of them but he shot enough to be concerned about his sub 70% FT shooting.
- Shot preparation. I think he has really poor footwork going into his shot. He sets up on his toes, which looks odd to me but his overall prerpation is pretty bad right now and it's partly a reason his shot takes forever to get up. He will obviously improve upon this and will need to. At the next level, players close out faster and they're longer. You have to be able to get your shot off quickly by doing your work early. IMO, a huge weakness right now.

Unknowns:
- 3PT shooting. Shot a good percentage. Will that translate to the next level shooting deeper 3s? I don't know. I'm probably a bit bearish unless his pre-shot preparation improves a lot. But it's an unknown and he can certainly get to where he needs to get to.
- Playmaking. He's such a limited ball handler right now that I don't know if this is a skill that's at a good or bad level.
- His longterm position. If he stays limited as a ballhandler, then he's going to be a wing. If the ballhandling improves a lot, is he a 2 or a 3?

Wait…are you the poaster formerly known as @Sjung?
 
Danny Green wasn't the reason we won the 2009 championship either.

Om sure he would improve but to pretend this loss can't be overcome is a little ridiculous.

I’ll agree we probably need to meet somewhere in the middle on Drake. But with that said, taking into account what our roster needs, there’s not a player in the portal I personally take over Drake.
 
I LOVE Drake, but I think coming back is the better option. Here's why:

1) He'll likely be drafted in the bottom of the 1st Rd (and that's a big if). Those slots in the draft make about 2.5-2.7 million a year, guaranteed for 2 years. So anywhere from $5-5.4 million. After that, the team has an option for 2 more years at the same price.

2) He could likely make $2.5 mil in NIL at UNC next year maybe more. Improve his stock, and then go higher in the 2026 Draft.

3) The NBA is all about the SECOND contract. That's where they make bank.

Nassir Little was drafted at #25 and is now in the G-League. Is Drake better or worse that Nassir was coming out of UNC?
Day'Ron Sharpe was drafted at #29 and is on an expiring rookie contract. Is Drake better or worse that Day'Ron coming out of UNC?

I think it's a gamble for Drake.
 
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I think comps of Drake to Green or Pinson are fair. The latter two showed flashes frosh/soph years but became key contributors later in their careers. They were not options A or B but developed into being better 3rd or 4th options that the other teams had. NBA is full of those 3 & d guys, and most of them do not make it.

I hope Drake has a great NBA career but wish he was returning. Unfortunately I think he realizes his development chances are better moving on from what Hubert is putting on the court.
 
I put it together from your vast knowledge of the game, your NBA fandom, your generally pessimistic outlook and then I remembered your comments about the Asian kid in the portal and it hit me.

Why the screen name change?
LOLOLOL! Credit to your investigative skills. I laughed at the "generally pessimistic outlook" part.

I thought it was better to not have my last name on a public internet forum. I work in a field where internet stuff can have a lot of detrimental harm.
 
I'm beginning to wonder what the draw is of playing for Hubert? Are you going to compete for championships? Sometimes, but certainly not consistently. Are you going to be 1st round pick? Currently, the answer is no. Are you going to be an NBA player? Maybe, but the answer currently is probably not. I get people think the UNC brand carries a lot of value.... But honestly, I think it's fair to say that playing at UNC doesn't mean as much as it did maybe 10+ years ago. Players values have changed and the economy has certainly changed. So is the value more sentimental than anything on the basketball court?
I appreciate this focus. To your list of relevant questions I would add: will you get the development you need? As of now, I don't think you can count on it.

This, by the way, is one of the reasons why I like a couple of our portal guys. They don't look like they need much development. I'm sort of glad we got Stevenson instead of Catchings, for example. Catchings looks like he has a much higher ceiling, but needs serious development; whereas Stevenson may not have much ceiling, but he has a higher floor. I think that's a safer fit for a Hubert-coached team.

Another concern that was on display last season was how incredibly long it took Hubert to figure out what his best lineup was. Assuming you think he ever figured that out.

So the second question I would add to your list is: can you count on getting used properly in the lineup?
 
I have a bigger picture question for you (and everyone else). If the brand means less and is no longer the advantage that is once was, then what does that mean for the future of UNC basketball? Without that advantage, can Hubert do more himself to offset that? I guess that's my big picture worry for this program. And I think the college basketball brands mean less and less. Like I don't think playing at Kentucky means the same today as it did even 10 years ago. I don't think playing at Duke means the same as it did under K but they've sustained most of the quality of their basketball results.
The portal question is "what can moving to team X do for me?"

For the most part portal guys are looking for money and showcasing. A big-name, successful school that's willing to shell out the big bucks meets both of those criteria.

For a little while longer UNC probably still qualifies as "big-name." It's image as a successful school is dwindling, but can be rehabbed.

The GM and increased NIL approach is clearly designed to put Hubert in a position to win, and to polish Carolina's image. Has it been enough? I'm pleased with our efforts so far, but certainly not blown away. Even assuming we get someone as good as Drake to replace him, I'm not sure we've done enough to rebuild and protect the brand.

In addition to money and a stage, some players are looking for better utilization (PT and position), better development, better fit. The team we saw this past season was a negative poster child on those measures, imo. If that look isn't corrected immediately, that will really hurt the brand.
 
On a general question, which returning player really helped their draft stock by returning?
Cam Johnson helped and went #11 overall in 2019
Justin Jackson helped and went #15 overall in 2017
Brice Johnson probably helped and went #25 overall in 2016
Brice definitely helped himself by returning. Brice is also proof that Roy could develop players.
 
The portal question is "what can moving to team X do for me?"

For the most part portal guys are looking for money and showcasing. A big-name, successful school that's willing to shell out the big bucks meets both of those criteria.

For a little while longer UNC probably still qualifies as "big-name." It's image as a successful school is dwindling, but can be rehabbed.

The GM and increased NIL approach is clearly designed to put Hubert in a position to win, and to polish Carolina's image. Has it been enough? I'm pleased with our efforts so far, but certainly not blown away. Even assuming we get someone as good as Drake to replace him, I'm not sure we've done enough to rebuild and protect the brand.

In addition to money and a stage, some players are looking for better utilization (PT and position), better development, better fit. The team we saw this past season was a negative poster child on those measures, imo. If that look isn't corrected immediately, that will really hurt the brand.
And the NBA isn't everything, but I find it a bit alarming that the last time UNC had an NBA all-star was in 2008 when Rasheed Wallace (last played at UNC in 94-95) and Antawn Jamison (last played at UNC in 97-98) were both representatives. So we're talking 0 UNC NBA all-stars that played at UNC post 2000.

It is a bit concerning.
 
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Danny Green wasn't the reason we won the 2009 championship either.

Om sure he would improve but to pretend this loss can't be overcome is a little ridiculous.
You’ve lost me. lol and I agree and don’t think he’s irreplaceable. I just hate losing a talented player that had nowhere to go but up imo. My other comments about green were because you downplayed being a 3 and d guy. Don’t know what the 09 team has to do with it but who played in the league and made the most of his career off of that team?
 
In this day and age of NIL there is no reason for a player to leave for the NBA when best case he goes late first round he could have made comparable money at Carolina and he would be a go to guy.

The only reason for him to leave is because he doesn't think he can improve his status under this staff and I tend to agree. Hubert doesn't develop players, it's been proven.

The question is how long does it take all the players leaving and the recuits from high school and the portal to start comparing notes and is to stop getting them all together?
 
You couldn't have missed the mark much further with that.
No, college Leornard was just a project for any team. Drake shows the same physical ability, and my comparison really come from the thought that both have skills to do anything on a court offensively and defensively.

We don't know what Drake's real strength is yet. We know he is talented, and with the right structure, I think he can become a star on both ends.
 
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