Felton

[truetarheelraider0806]

Feltons handle is tight the issue isn't the tightness of his handle the issue is the repetitive nature of his handle. Dribble up then behind the back twice then a crossover... Almost Everytime I watched as the FSU coach showed with gestures to the player guarding him what to expect and when... He needs to not be so repetitive. He will be fine once he figures that out

 

[GoNtheDistance]

Bingo^^^^^

A friend of mine pointed out the same thing last night watching the game. He called it the Larry Drew dribble. Do the same shit over and over laterally, never going towards the basket. Looks pretty but gets you nowhere at this level. Felton continues to underperform.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Felton continues to underperform.

That's the story of the season so far for me. I am shocked at how underwhelming Felton has been. I didn't think he was going to come in and set the world on fire but I expected more than this. He has had exactly 2 good games. And in all the others, he's been downright bad. So much talent and so little understanding.

But with that said, I think it will be Woods that transfers and Felton as the starter next year. If they both are on the roster next year, I'm not sure who I would put as the odds on favorite to land the starting gig. Woods is miles better defensively so probably him unless Felton makes big strides throughout the rest of this season and over the summer.

 

[truetarheelraider0806]

That's the story of the season so far for me. I am shocked at how underwhelming Felton has been. I didn't think he was going to come in and set the world on fire but I expected more than this. He has had exactly 2 good games. And in all the others, he's been downright bad. So much talent and so little understanding.

But with that said, I think it will be Woods that transfers and Felton as the starter next year. If they both are on the roster next year, I'm not sure who I would put as the odds on favorite to land the starting gig. Woods is miles better defensively so probably him unless Felton makes big strides throughout the rest of this season and over the summer.

Funny happened to have spoken to woods after woffard don't see him transferring. He lives it at UNC and he feels he would be helping the team by now if completely healthy remember before the foot he was starting to put it together more and more. Love that kid I don't think either transfers. Also look at his attitude on the bench no one smiles or jumps higher off the bench or fist pumps harder for a teammate than seventh. Kid isn't going anywhere

 

[GoNtheDistance]

A close family friend of mine who lives in SC warned me not to believe the hype after seeing him play a handful of games in HS and he’s usually spot on but I admittedly chalked it up as him just not “feeling” the flare and attitude that Jalek has in high school. Needless to say he’s been spot on. Dribbles too much, lazy jump shot, not explosive in creating his own shot against length. What he warned me about has been true so far but honestly, much worse than I imagined. I didn’t expect Jalek to be Hansbrough 2.0 as a freshman, but expected much better, consistent performance. As said above, he’s had 1 really good game, another that was pretty good and then he’s been MIA or awful in every other game. Not sure what to think.

And using the football analogy of having 2 quarterbacks. If you have 2 point guards who will split time, you don’t have a point guard. This is what worries me with Felton and Seventh next year. Maybe Coby White will steal the show and remove all doubt.

 

[bax4444]

A close family friend of mine who lives in SC warned me not to believe the hype after seeing him play a handful of games in HS and he’s usually spot on but I admittedly chalked it up as him just not “feeling” the flare and attitude that Jalek has in high school. Needless to say he’s been spot on. Dribbles too much, lazy jump shot, not explosive in creating his own shot against length. What he warned me about has been true so far but honestly, much worse than I imagined. I didn’t expect Jalek to be Hansbrough 2.0 as a freshman, but expected much better, consistent performance. As said above, he’s had 1 really good game, another that was pretty good and then he’s been MIA or awful in every other game. Not sure what to think.

And using the football analogy of having 2 quarterbacks. If you have 2 point guards who will split time, you don’t have a point guard. This is what worries me with Felton and Seventh next year. Maybe Coby White will steal the show and remove all doubt.

To be fair, unc pg as a freshman is a brutal learning curve, and he has shown flashes of absolute brilliance mixed in with the laxadasical play. Having said that, I can now see why he wasnt a top 10-15 guy. If the kid had the motor of a hansbrough, he wouldve been because his talent is immense. I hope he gets a fire lit under him at some point because the potential is through the roof.

and speaking of 7th, is there any updates on his status? havent heard anything for awhile.

 

[trestyles]

Funny happened to have spoken to woods after woffard don't see him transferring. He lives it at UNC and he feels he would be helping the team by now if completely healthy remember before the foot he was starting to put it together more and more. Love that kid I don't think either transfers. Also look at his attitude on the bench no one smiles or jumps higher off the bench or fist pumps harder for a teammate than seventh. Kid isn't going anywhere

I agree with you, however sometimes it's not the kid who wants to transfer. Parents and guardians influence their kids to transfer as well. Not saying that this is the case with Woods.

 

[GoNtheDistance]

The freshman learning curve is real but this assertation that the freshman learning curve at UNC is that much greater than any of the other elite programs is just comical to a point honestly. The reality is some of these kids aren’t nearly as good as we thought they were.

 

[DaSheed]

Remember Vince Carter as a Freshman? I remember Dean pulling him out of a game and Vince pointing to himself and mouthing for the cameras, “Why me?!” If this happened in the age of social media....

 

[dadika13]

Also look at his attitude on the bench no one smiles or jumps higher off the bench or fist pumps harder for a teammate than seventh.

Everything else aside, this statement is simply not accurate.

 

[alabamaheel]

The freshman learning curve is real but this assertation that the freshman learning curve at UNC is that much greater than any of the other elite programs is just comical to a point honestly. The reality is some of these kids aren’t nearly as good as we thought they were.

I agree with most of this but will add that I believe Jalek has a very, very short leash by Roy. Which in my opinion comes from the fact Roy knows him, and his family, and knows what he is capable of. Like I said jmo.

 

[truetarheelraider0806]

Everything else aside, this statement is simply not accurate.

It is true I have watched the FSU game twice now and the wake forest game replays it is true he does jump up smile fist pump and cheer them on believe me I am a YUGE seventh fan(bad Trump line) fan believe me I notice the things he does.

 

[al would]

I'm a big fan of Felton's shooting mechanics and stroke from the outside but he just hasn't figured it (offensive system) out yet. He almost looks lost when running the pg spot and has little or no movement off the ball. He just stands around and waits for someone to reverse or skip the ball back to him for a easy jump shot. If he wants to turn some heads and brighten his future he needs to attack .. attack being driving and finishing through contact or dishing .. like Theo .. or getting quick penetration and showing a nice step back jumper or pass to the better shot. Still haven't seen the quickness I had hoped he might have and his defense is fair but needs to be much better. Guess my biggest disappointment is I just haven't seen the quickness, athleticism and EFFORT I thought he would bring day one. jmho

 

[Archer2]

To be fair, unc pg as a freshman is a brutal learning curve, and he has shown flashes of absolute brilliance mixed in with the laxadasical play. Having said that, I can now see why he wasnt a top 10-15 guy. If the kid had the motor of a hansbrough, he wouldve been because his talent is immense. I hope he gets a fire lit under him at some point because the potential is through the roof.

and speaking of 7th, is there any updates on his status? havent heard anything for awhile.

Bingo. We heard coming in that he tended to coast and didn't have the greatest work ethic. Roy was extra hard on Ray Ray because he knew he possessed special talent. Ray has warned Jalek about this in order to prepare him but Jalek hasn't quite gotten the message. He can be a special player if he buys in to what Roy is trying to tell him.

Of all the freshmen, Jalek has been the biggest disappointment, simply because of his immense talent. But I also realize that PG is the hardest position to learn at UNC and have every confidence that he will be our next great PG. But 2A comp is a far cry from the ACC.

Patience, weedhoppers.

 

[montana_heel]

He will get there. Just learning is all. Cut him some slack.

He is not a one and done so he has time.

 

[imajericho]

Seventh jumpshot was money before he went down. I think Seventh is better than Jalek at this point. Jalek has great vision for passing but has poor decision making, dribbling, and defense right now.

 

[mikeirbyusa]

Seventh jumpshot was money before he went down. I think Seventh is better than Jalek at this point. Jalek has great vision for passing but has poor decision making, dribbling, and defense right now.

Jalek has to learn to make the simple play and quit trying to make every one sensational. But he sure has a beautiful shot.

 

[Littlejon]

I remember people saying some of these same things about his uncle Ray. And Ty Lawson, too. Lawson, in particular, would get hammered here for being out of control running down the court with his blazing speed and making what seemed to be a really dumb play that looked like he was trying for a highlight reel instead of a score.

Give the young man some time and Roy will get him to where he needs to be. ALL UNC point guards have to learn to play within themselves and within Roy's system. It isn't easy, as JB I am sure told Jalek (as did Ray), but with patience, hard work and belief in the system, he will figure it out.

I imagine in a year or two we will all be talking about how great it is to have this kid at UNC.

 

[ky-heel-man]

Anyone else notice when Jslrk came out of the game near the end he went straight and sit down without shaking any players hands? I think it’s in his head that Roy is not going to play him. I would not be shocked if he transfers.

 

[mikeirbyusa]

Smh

 

[GoNtheDistance]

I did notice. Chalk it up as freshman frustration. Hopefully.....

He has nobody else to blame other than himself. Hell truth be known, Roy has played him more then most on this board would have lately. He’s been awful much of the year minus a few games.

 

[notashelbyfan]

Anyone else notice when Jslrk came out of the game near the end he went straight and sit down without shaking any players hands? I think it’s in his head that Roy is not going to play him. I would not be shocked if he transfers.

I noticed 2 times when there was huddles after fouls that he didn't join in!

 

[notashelbyfan]

The ceiling is the roof for Felton, and I understand it is hard to tell a lot from just watching a game on TV but he doesn't look like he is having any fun, like he is half ass doing what he is being told to do because it isnt what he wants to do!

NO ONE said it was going to be easy for him but he was fighting some pretty high expectations from us fans because of being Rays nephew and him winning a natty coming off of a natty taking the reins from JBII and just in general being the PG of the Heels!

I trust in Roy to get the best out of him he has done it before with less talented players!

 

[Go Heels #1]

Anyone else notice when Jslrk came out of the game near the end he went straight and sit down without shaking any players hands? I think it’s in his head that Roy is not going to play him. I would not be shocked if he transfers.

Who is JsIrk? Jalek?

 

[dadika13]

Who is JsIrk? Jalek?

Really? You can't figure that out? Esp when the A is next to the S and the R is next to the E.

 

[DrJaaay]

I hope Jalek enjoys being on this team, because he is gonna be a real good player. But it seems like he's being too cool. And Roy hates cool. I'm sure he could be cool in HS and still dominate. But he needs to accept that he's not all that right now, and put his head down and work hard.

 

[ChiShankCity]

I think Jalek has a ton of game. I think the reason why he's struggling is the reason most UNC freshman PG's struggle.

The high school game is an isolation or a pick-and-roll game. My guess if Felton saw a lot of zone in high school because he was so physically superior compared to his opponents. So if he did, he probably didn't play in much pick-and-roll and it was more isolation and straight line drives.

The UNC system is completely different. It's a primary, secondary break, box set offense where the point guard also does a lot of down screening. It's just uncommon for UNC freshman point guards to pick up the system right away. Didn't Ray Felton really struggle his freshman year?

This is also a reason why UNC PG's have had fairly minimal success in the NBA. The NBA is a ball screen and a pick-and-roll system. That isn't UNC's system. Very few UNC PG's play in a pick-and-roll system and when the NBA is almost exclusively ball screen/pick and roll... They're not ready for it.

My fear with Jalek is he's more of a combo guard... and Roy typically needs a point guard to run his system. But I think he has a lot of game. I hope he doesn't become Dexter Strickland, but I don't think that's completely out of the realm of possibility.

 

[franklin street]

isn't carolinas offense much less complicated than when dean was coaching?

 

[pln2013]

Didn't Ray Felton really struggle his freshman year?

Kinda, but there are degrees of "struggle". He was inefficient (51.9% TS%, 23.1% TOV%), but he was productive (12.9 points and 6.7 assists per game).

 

[dadika13]

Again, Jalek will be just fine. Talent + good coaching usually wins out.

 

[GoNtheDistance]

Again, comparing Jaleks struggles to those of Felton and Lawson are not even worth discussing. Felton and Lawson were double digit scorers and gave out 5+ assists per game.

 

[pln2013]

Kinda, but there are degrees of "struggle". He was inefficient (51.9% TS%, 23.1% TOV%), but he was productive (12.9 points and 6.7 assists per game).

To compare Raymond and Jalek:

Points/40: 14.5 vs 12.4 --- decently close, advantage Raymond
TS%: 51.9% vs 52.0% --- dead heat
2pt FG%: 44.1% vs 40.9% --- big advantage Raymond
3pt FG%: 35.8% vs 39.3% --- advantage Jalek
3pt Rate: 50.9% vs 51.0% --- very similar tendency
FT Rate: 0.301 vs .120 --- Raymond got to the line a lot more
Assists/40: 7.6 vs 8.2 --- decently close, advantage Jalek
Turnovers/40: 4.2 vs 6.4 --- Jalek a lot worse

Their numbers are a lot more similar than I'd expect, controlling for minutes.

 

[GoNtheDistance]

Per 40 comparisons in this case are also silly. Under the logic of per 40, you could have a bench warmer average 1 minute per game and 1 point per game and we all know what that per 40 will look like....

The issue here is that Jalek was advertised to be an elite talent like a Ray or Lawson but hasn’t shown to even be in the ball park. Freshman tend to struggle in spots during the season, and it’s fair to say that Ray and Ty had moments. However, Jalek has been frankly awful for the most part in nearly every facet of the game less a game or 2 at best. He other alarming thing continues to be his body language and what some could argue as lack of commitment or desire to be part of the team concept.

 

[gobblercalls]

Y'all are comparing apples to oranges!! Does Jalek have an opportunity to feed Sean May or Tyler in the post? When he's in does he have Ellington or McCants on the wing? He'll be fine. If Roy can get a nutcase like McCants to play he'll do fine with Jalek.

 

[dadika13]

If Roy can get a nutcase like McCants to play he'll do fine with Jalek.

Who's McCants?

 

[tarheel0910]

Who's McCants?

I think he was one of the ushers.

 

[imajericho]

To compare Raymond and Jalek:

Points/40: 14.5 vs 12.4 --- decently close, advantage Raymond
TS%: 51.9% vs 52.0% --- dead heat
2pt FG%: 44.1% vs 40.9% --- big advantage Raymond
3pt FG%: 35.8% vs 39.3% --- advantage Jalek
3pt Rate: 50.9% vs 51.0% --- very similar tendency
FT Rate: 0.301 vs .120 --- Raymond got to the line a lot more
Assists/40: 7.6 vs 8.2 --- decently close, advantage Jalek
Turnovers/40: 4.2 vs 6.4 --- Jalek a lot worse

Their numbers are a lot more similar than I'd expect, controlling for minutes.

Per 40 when someone has a small sample size?

...

 

[Ozheelfan]

Can’t compare Jalek to Ray or Ty because neither of them had a Joel Berry in front of them! Ray came in following the worst season in program history and Frasor’s knee opened up the PT for Ty.
Also, as mentioned above, Ray had Sean May and the Mcnutcase to pass to, Ty had Psycho T, Wayne, Danny, etc.

 

[bradythegoat2]

I remember people saying some of these same things about his uncle Ray. And Ty Lawson, too. Lawson, in particular, would get hammered here for being out of control running down the court with his blazing speed and making what seemed to be a really dumb play that looked like he was trying for a highlight reel instead of a score.

Give the young man some time and Roy will get him to where he needs to be. ALL UNC point guards have to learn to play within themselves and within Roy's system. It isn't easy, as JB I am sure told Jalek (as did Ray), but with patience, hard work and belief in the system, he will figure it out.

I imagine in a year or two we will all be talking about how great it is to have this kid at UNC.

Oh c'mon don't put Lawson and Jalek in the same sentence as freshman. Lawson averaged 10 and 5.6 APG as a freshman in 25 MPG. It was clear he was on the path to be a star at UNC (which he became).

Felton still has time as freshman PG's at UNC always struggle and then blossom. I do however recall Roy calling him lazy and disinterested in preseason practices and it just doesn't look like he gives the best effort. Oh well, maybe he'll change.

 

[Littlejon]

Oh c'mon don't put Lawson and Jalek in the same sentence as freshman. Lawson averaged 10 and 5.6 APG as a freshman in 25 MPG. It was clear he was on the path to be a star at UNC (which he became).

Felton still has time as freshman PG's at UNC always struggle and then blossom. I do however recall Roy calling him lazy and disinterested in preseason practices and it just doesn't look like he gives the best effort. Oh well, maybe he'll change.

Oh good grief. I wasn't comparing the two players, just how people reacted to them. People here were hammering Ty for being out of control, over zealous and making terrible decisions.

All I was saying is with freshman PG's at UNC you have to give them some time to adjust and learn how Roy wants them to play.